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Posted by Hercmech on Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:49 PM

Hans von Hammer

 Aaron Skinner:

On the P-61, the spoilers are on the right way. Although incorrectly shaped and represented as retracting down into the recesses molded on the wing surfaces in the kit, the Black Widow, as I understand, was one of the first aircraft equipped with spoilerons. They are curved and come up vertically from slots in the wings with the brackets toward the front.

 

 

Neither GW or the reviewer got it right...  The spoilers aren't hinged at either the front or the rear of the wing..  They're stowed inside the wings, as you pointed out, and not visible unless the yoke is turned.  He has them mounted in the "Up" position on both wings at the same time...  Nope.  They operate the same way ailerons do, turn the yoke to the right and the the right spoiler comes up, dropping the right wing, turn it to the left, the left one comes up and drops the left wing...

Showing both of them up is akin to mounting both ailerons in the same position, like they were elevators... In a turn, only the "inside" wing's spoiler comes up; the other one, on the "outside" of the turn, remains stowed inside the wing.

As for their shape, you're right, they got them wrong in shape and surface. They're curved, and they also have several rows of holes in them, ala SBD dive-flaps, and they slide up and down vertically, not hinged like a door... But I'll let the guys make the call as whether or not this matters...

But while we're at it, check out this video, Flying the P-61 Series Airplane from the US Army Air Force's training films

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-f2x8T7d8&feature=related

Around the 6:10 mark, you'll see the spoilerons in action during pre-flight cockpit checks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/HansvonHammer/P-61/P-61Spoilerons.jpg

 IMNSHO, the GW P-61, although it does look like a beautiful kit, isn't all that much "better" than the Monogram kit... It has about the same number of problems; it's just that the problems are in different places than the Monogram Spider.... Whether or not someone wants to spend around Ninety to a Hundred bucks is their business, but based on what I've read, what I know about the Monogram Widow, what i've researched about the Black Widow itself, and knowing how to "fix" the Monogram kit (I've built seven or  eight of 'em), it's not worth the price to me, nor would I recomend it to beginners, especially since you can only build one variant, SOB...

Pretty sure that GW will try to solve that last issue though.. A few extra parts is all that's needed to build a B variant, so another sprue is all that's needed..

BTW, I didn't read anywhere that the kit has the SCR-720A radar set... Is it included in the GW kit?

 

 

That was one heck of a video link Hans! I really enjoyed watching it and it really gave some great views of the translucent radome around 16:35 and onward.  Thanks for the link.


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:45 AM

...YES...

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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:35 AM

stikpusher

Is the issue worth buying?

Definitely!

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Posted by TheWildChild on Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM

stikpusher

Is the issue worth buying?

If you plan on building a natural metal finish airplane (and, like me, dont have a whole lot of experience with it) than i would say yes... just from reading the article i realised why most of my bare metal finishes didnt turn out so good.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:42 AM

Is the issue worth buying?

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:00 PM

 "Red Stuff" at bottom of the instrument panel from L-R: Fuel Shut-off- Fuel Tank Selector, Emergency Main Gear Fairing-Doors Release

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Posted by K-dawg on Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:51 PM

Not sure what it is. Big red knob down behind the stick on the lower console. There should be a black surround with some white hash marks and they're not supplied with the kit.

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Posted by TheWildChild on Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:25 AM

Manstein's revenge

 Reasoned:

Got to tell you Manny, the Field Marshall Santa is creeping me out Huh?.

 

Wait 'til Easter...

this will not end well lol

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, December 16, 2011 9:58 PM

The fuel selector has a lever, rather than a knob, which is why I didn't mention it..  There're placards aft and above the trim knobs, on the left consol, which're for the flares and flare gun, and on the right side for pilot's manual....

 

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Posted by fermis on Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:30 PM

Hans von Hammer

 

 

A tiny decal on the lower console that surrounds a large knob. It has to be sourced elsewhere or hand painted.

Which side?

 Fuel selector switch??? Front/center down low.

 Just guessing, I don't have the kit. My old Hase 51 ($10), will do just fine!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:02 AM

I would if it did any good...

I enjoy all aspects of modeling, from opening the box, to construction to painting and weathering...  Don't have a "favorite" as such... Unless you count the additions, that is.. I really do like hunting around the War Room for the right part to cut another part out of... 

I guess you can say that I "see miniature" in everyday objects...  The thing I'm looking at may not look like anything to anyone else but I see, for instance,  a P-40 throttle quadrant sticking out of one corner of that thingamabob... 

A tiny decal on the lower console that surrounds a large knob. It has to be sourced elsewhere or hand painted.

Which side?

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Posted by K-dawg on Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:55 AM

Right, but you're not complaining about the price... you're complaining because the kit is too good and takes all the fun out of it... I get that but for a person that enjoys painting more than construction it's a blessing. BTW, the Tamiya stang is missing at least one thing... A tiny decal on the lower console that surrounds a large knob. It has to be sourced elsewhere or hand painted.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:48 PM

SuppressionFire

I just assume the ultra clean look is factory fresh or airshow eye candy'

FYI~ Aluminum can be polished to a mirror like finish with time, elbow grease & a product known as 'Neverdull'


 

Yupper...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:05 PM

Well, you said "NOBODY" is complaining... I fall into that category however...   Kits like that are killing the Gizmologists...

SOMEthing's gotta be missing (something major BTW), from a kit for it to be a "good" one IMHO...   If there are no areas of interest that are missing components, then there's little fun in it for a Gizmologist... Everything's included, glue tab "A" into slot "B", budda-bing, bodda-boom, shake the box, out pops a Pony, easy-peasy...

 

Where's the fun in that

But rather than complain about it to folks distracted by the next shiny object, I'll just work on that 16.00 Phantom Mustang, lol...

I guess, after all is said and done, I'm just more driven than ever to win the gold with a Monogram kit...Wink

 

 EDIT: Gawd.. I'm getting AMS...

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Posted by K-dawg on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:00 PM

You wouldn't know it by the sales.... Our LHS has sold a pile of them and talking to vendors from Nats proved that people could give a crap about the price, they sold like hot cakes.

Same goes for the Hobby Boss M1070... A 200 dollar kit and Hobby Boss actually delayed the stateside release of that kit 2-3 months because Lucky Model was selling so many of them.

Shrugs, what do I know... i'm from Arkansas!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:51 PM

...NOBODY is complaining about the price of a 1/32 Tamiya mustang...

That's what you think...Wink

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Posted by K-dawg on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:01 PM

Yeah, good issue.

The P-61 review was something I looked forward to reading. GW is slated to release the B variant as a separate kit in stead of including all the parts to make both in this first one. Hopefully they address some of it's issues in that one. I bought the GW kit and the vector update set (engines, cowlings and such). I have a couple of R/M kits laying around as well to pilfer parts off of if needed. Yeah the price is high but it's not that bad. The LHS had 1/72 Hasegawa B-24s for nearly 100 bucks. It's funny that everyone seems wound up about the price of this particular kit but NOBODY is complaining about the price of a 1/32 Tamiya mustang which is a smaller, simpler kit , yet considerably more expensive... The Tamiya kit is nicer perhaps but that doesn't mean it'll automatically make a nice finished model... Hey, I screwed up a Tamiya P-47!! How does someone do that??.... :)

 

The shiny plane (that's all I know about it)... looked good. Probably off the mark as far as an in service plane yeah, but the overall effect is a testimonial to Aaron's surface prep skills. Kudos for the top shelf prep work.

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Monday, December 12, 2011 4:55 PM

I just assume the ultra clean look is factory fresh or airshow eye candy'

FYI~ Aluminum can be polished to a mirror like finish with time, elbow grease & a product known as 'Neverdull'


 

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/razordws/GB%20Badges/WMIIIGBsmall.jpg

 

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, December 12, 2011 4:42 PM

I picked one up Saturday, good info.  BTW Aaron, you went through a BOAT LOAD of steps on that finish!   Turned out out great for you but NMF still scares the pee-waddens out of me.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, December 12, 2011 2:45 PM

Hope my copy arrives soon!Hmm

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, December 12, 2011 6:39 AM

Aaron Skinner

On the P-61, the spoilers are on the right way. Although incorrectly shaped and represented as retracting down into the recesses molded on the wing surfaces in the kit, the Black Widow, as I understand, was one of the first aircraft equipped with spoilerons. They are curved and come up vertically from slots in the wings with the brackets toward the front.

 

Neither GW or the reviewer got it right...  The spoilers aren't hinged at either the front or the rear of the wing..  They're stowed inside the wings, as you pointed out, and not visible unless the yoke is turned.  He has them mounted in the "Up" position on both wings at the same time...  Nope.  They operate the same way ailerons do, turn the yoke to the right and the the right spoiler comes up, dropping the right wing, turn it to the left, the left one comes up and drops the left wing...

Showing both of them up is akin to mounting both ailerons in the same position, like they were elevators... In a turn, only the "inside" wing's spoiler comes up; the other one, on the "outside" of the turn, remains stowed inside the wing.

As for their shape, you're right, they got them wrong in shape and surface. They're curved, and they also have several rows of holes in them, ala SBD dive-flaps, and they slide up and down vertically, not hinged like a door... But I'll let the guys make the call as whether or not this matters...

But while we're at it, check out this video, Flying the P-61 Series Airplane from the US Army Air Force's training films

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-f2x8T7d8&feature=related

Around the 6:10 mark, you'll see the spoilerons in action during pre-flight cockpit checks.

 IMNSHO, the GW P-61, although it does look like a beautiful kit, isn't all that much "better" than the Monogram kit... It has about the same number of problems; it's just that the problems are in different places than the Monogram Spider.... Whether or not someone wants to spend around Ninety to a Hundred bucks is their business, but based on what I've read, what I know about the Monogram Widow, what i've researched about the Black Widow itself, and knowing how to "fix" the Monogram kit (I've built seven or  eight of 'em), it's not worth the price to me, nor would I recomend it to beginners, especially since you can only build one variant, SOB...

Pretty sure that GW will try to solve that last issue though.. A few extra parts is all that's needed to build a B variant, so another sprue is all that's needed..

BTW, I didn't read anywhere that the kit has the SCR-720A radar set... Is it included in the GW kit?

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2011 1:03 PM

Aaron Skinner

Gents,

 

Thanks for the comments on the MiG — yeah, it might be a little shiny, but that was the point. Incidentally, I didn't buff the finish; it's all in the surface prep. And natural metal is one of those things that it is hard to get to look just right for the particular vehicle.

Hit it with a shot of dullcoat and you've got yourself a contest contender...

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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Friday, December 9, 2011 9:52 AM

Gents,

 

Thanks for the comments on the MiG — yeah, it might be a little shiny, but that was the point. Incidentally, I didn't buff the finish; it's all in the surface prep. And natural metal is one of those things that it is hard to get to look just right for the particular vehicle.

Manny: The HobbyBoss kit isn't bad, but it's not perfect either. The biggest fit issue is getting the front and rear fuselage sections to meet cleanly if you don't want to display the engine. And you have to be creative with weight in the nose. There's not a lot of room up front.

On the P-61, the spoilers are on the right way. Although incorrectly shaped and represented as retracting down into the recesses molded on the wing surfaces in the kit, the Black Widow, as I understand, was one of the first aircraft equipped with spoilerons. They are curved and come up vertically from slots in the wings with the brackets toward the front.

Cheers, Aaron

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2011 8:06 AM

Wabashwheels

Noticed the Revell PV-1 Ventura ad on page 49.  Does anyone know when it might hit the shelves?   Rick

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:46 PM

Noticed the Revell PV-1 Ventura ad on page 49.  Does anyone know when it might hit the shelves?   Rick

 

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, December 8, 2011 8:59 PM

I thought Aaron did a great job on that airplane too.

And Andy's diorama in 1;72 was killer, man!

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 3:24 PM

Rob Gronovius

Can someone with the magazine take a look at the review of the Vulcan Vickers tank? The review insert mentions 60 photoetched metal parts and 40 white metal parts, but the text of the review makes no mention of the parts. Are they for the tracks? I noticed the review didn't talk about the type of tracks (vinyl vs. indy).

Maybe I was just sleepy when I read it.

The second paragraph down mentions link-and-length tracks.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:30 PM

tigerman

Nevermind about FSM, who's in this months Maxim? Stick out tongue

Sassy...

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:11 PM

Nevermind about FSM, who's in this months Maxim? Stick out tongue

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 8:58 AM

Manstein's revenge

Aaron, I think you did a good job w/ the NMF on the MiG 17, but IMO it is waaaaaay too shiny for the scale...How did the Hobbyboss kit itself build up?---its one of my stash-sitters...

Maybe it's the squadron commander's aircraft.  In USAF, the CO's airplane always looks a lot like that :-)

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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