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Really that many lurkers?
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:28 PM

The new format makes me notice the number of readers of  a thread more than I used to.  For so many threads the number of replies is a tiny fraction of the number of readers.  Is this because there are so many lurkers who do not for some reason ever reply or post, or are there just a lot of folks who don't read subject lines very carefully and find they are just not interested in the thread?

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Posted by DJinFlorida on Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:36 PM

I am one of the ones who reads a lot, but I don't post a lot.  Right now, I'm gathering information.  I don't believe that I have the knowledge to pass on, at least not yet.  I am posting on the P-40 group build, as  my daughter and I are each building one.

-DJ

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Posted by tankboy51 on Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:55 PM

Why is the term "lurkers" used?   It has such a negative connotation.  The dictionary defines it as lie in wait, as in an ambush. I do not think that is the best term.  I'm not real savy about all the internets abbreviations, and this is one I'm not too happy about.  I just come on here to see if there is anything that I can add, usually not, or learn from.  By the time I look in, the questions have been answered and I'm not big on making pointless comments just to boost my post count, as it looks like a lot of posters are doing.   I'm more of a look-seeer or something.  It is a public forum so what is someone looks and doesn't post anything.  Besides, I'm worried that any comment I make will be misinterpreted by the members who post everywhere and slam back at me.  Hasn't  happened to me but I've seen it happen to others.

The sites I like better are those like ML where a question is asked, it's answered and the site moves on, maybe 2-8 posts and they are done.  There are exceptions of course

Doug

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Posted by gunner_chris on Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:05 PM
I'm a bit more in the lurker category then participator.

I'm not at the level as many modellers so I tend to read to learn more then anything.

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Posted by Old Ordie on Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:11 PM

I read a lot of threads that I learn something from, but don't feel I have anything significant to contribute to.  Maybe that's true of others, also.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:47 PM

It seems pretty common - a few of the other forums that I visit (mainly modelling, aviation or airbrushing) list the number of total views & the number of current views. Total views for a post with three or four replies can easily be in the hundreds & at any given time there are often more anonymous viewers (non-members or not logged in) than there are members..... Many will just be people having a look & picking up snippets & will not necessarily be time served lurkers.

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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:12 PM
I often read a post and not respond. There are serveral reasons to do so: 1 i have nothing meaningfull to add, 2 i have nothing postive to add, 3 i only read the tread to learn/amusement, 4 the subject was interesting but thw tread is starting to evolve in jokes/rants/soapbox/flamewar comments. And lastly, the disussion has already died out and i missed it because i am in the CET time zone.

i do not consider myself a "lurker", rather a "light to medium user".

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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:19 PM
I forgot a very important reason: revistiting a tread that you post to is a +1 for readers but 0 on comments.

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:12 PM

I'm just lurking out loud .......................

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, July 20, 2012 7:20 AM

I guess I hadn't thought of lurker, as used in forums, had a negative context, but at considering the normal meaning of the word, it certainlly does, so maybe I need a better word.  I am just surprised that some threads have thousands of reads, but only a couple of responses.

I do notice that these FSM forums seem very polite, with few flame wars, compared to most of the old newsgroups.  I guess these forums are well moderated whereas most of the newsgroups I participated in were unmoderated.  So I encourage folks to particpate more.  These forums are very nice to folks.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Friday, July 20, 2012 10:39 AM
As long as I've been a member here, the term lurking was used tongue-in-cheek to describe people,usually themselves, as readers moreso than posters to certain threads...harmless goofing...until someone breaks out a dictionary....

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, July 20, 2012 11:17 AM

The term lurker has been around as long as forums (and newsgroups). It basically means someone who just reads the discussions but doesn't respond or take a more active role in the discussion. There isn't anything negative to it.

Many folks still abide by the unwritten rule taught to them when they were children; "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

I don't mean that they would say something negative in a thread, but that they don't have anything to add to the discussion so they stay silent.

In the early days of this forum, someone would ask a question and the first half dozen posts would all be something like, "Wait til (___) reads this; he's an expert and will have the answer."

I think it was a way to assure the original poster that he wasn't being ignored and that he asked the question in the right place and that there would be someone along who might know the answer.

I know in some of the eariest modeling forums (back in the 90s), many first time posters (and new to the world wide web) thought it was like 24/7 online help. They'd post a question or say hello and then 5 minutes later wonder why it wasn't answered. They'd post three of four more times in a span of 10 minutes, eventually get discouraged and leave in disgust. It was kind of funny and sad at the same time.

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Posted by Misty on Friday, July 20, 2012 12:29 PM

I  read a lot but mostly dont have the knowledge or intelligence to make a  relevant or helpful reply. If i have nothing useful or nice to say i tend to keep quiet.

 

 

 

 

 

*lurk*

 

 

 

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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, July 20, 2012 12:37 PM

Maybe...


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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, July 20, 2012 1:04 PM

(I see this one has been viewed 154 times, and I'll be reply #14!!!)

I know there are threads that I look at that are "sorta interesting", but I either 1) have nothing to add, or 2) really don't want to see keep popping up to the top of my "your conversations" listing. Although, I don't think that system works the same way anymore...

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, July 20, 2012 5:13 PM

Ok, lets call it "onlookers" . I thought of "lookers" but sounds like a good looking girl ........................

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Posted by dullcote on Saturday, July 21, 2012 6:57 AM

Many are the times I read a thread/post and dont comment  because my question has been answered or what ever I could add had already been said.....kinda like now.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:34 AM

It is just that according to the statistics FMS shows, fewer than 1 reader in a thousand replies to many of the threads.  That just seems like a pretty strange ratio!

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Posted by swingr1121 on Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:00 AM

I look at threads and sometimes I'm just looking for pictures, sometimes I'll post, but most of the time I don't.  One can only read "good job" so many times.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:39 AM

I belong to the Loyal Order of Lurkers, local  229...

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Posted by Echo139er on Saturday, July 21, 2012 4:18 PM

Manstein's revenge

I belong to the Loyal Order of Lurkers, local  229...

So says the cat with 14459+ posts.

Wait...  I thought you were part of the Majestic Order of Jocular Outcasts, OM-229?

What gives?

ANYWAY....  Don,

It's not just the lurking that results in low participation, but also the low number of active "online" users.  According to FSM, we have over 52,000 modeler accounts.  On any given day we register less than .05% logged on.  And, of those, the majority are just lurking.

These forums can be great if participation went up.  By the way, I lurk more than I post. So I am pointing a finger at myself too.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 21, 2012 4:28 PM

Though I don't have statistics to back up the following comment, I believe the majority of forum posts were of current events and non-modeling related subjects prior to the demise of the O&E forum.

It is simply going to take some time to build up an active, posting clientele from the new members who replace the O&E gang.

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Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:26 PM

Don Stauffer
It is just that according to the statistics FMS shows, fewer than 1 reader in a thousand replies to many of the threads.  That just seems like a pretty strange ratio!

Have you ever heard of the 1/9/90 rule of (online) community participation?

It's said that 1% of members contribute most of the activity, 9% contribute occationally and 90% are "lurkers".

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html

 

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Posted by Hercmech on Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:47 PM

I lurk and post about lurking...what does that make us?


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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:49 AM

Like others, i will often look a thread but then feel i have nothing to add. Actually, i used to notice the number of views compared to the number of posts more on the old forum. I don't notice it at all now.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, July 22, 2012 4:59 AM

Hercmech

I lurk and post about lurking...what does that make us?

The 1 % ..............Yes

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:48 AM

I always thought of these forums as a learning tool . When I`m trying to learn something I usually read / listen alot more than post / participate. Eventually I`ll either have a question or comment and then I`ll chime in. Seems natural to me to have more "lurkers" than "posters" in the forums. Big Smile

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Posted by armornut on Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:18 AM

as a self admitted "lurker"  i agree with the other posters on this thread, unless i have useful information to add or i would like to be a part of a humorus thread being a silent participant is as enjoyable to me as trying to guide a new (or returning modeler) to how things work in then plastic world. I'm a human and I have an opinion but it's my responsablity to know when and what to post,this really is a great source of information and all here have something to add,some just haven't found the right spot to put it . happy modeling

we're modelers it's what we do

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:21 PM

But I am referring to the ratio of posts versus "reads"  So even of those who DO log on and read, in a sampling of threads, less than one in one thousand (or less than 0.1 percent) reply to a typical post.  I am wondering if the genii that computes reads is somehow counting wrong.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by litngbug on Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:48 PM

Make me # 15, I mostly read as well, don't post a whole heck of a lot anywhere except FB  LOL

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