Tha General Lee , Ironclads and Figures

CodyJ

I guess the 1/16 is supposed to be much better than the 1/25 MPC kit.  My one complaint is the car in the show had a 440 Magnum.  Supposedly they used both that and some with the 383 as well.  The kit has the 426 Hemi (Which is an epic motor but not correct). ...........

Thanks; did not know that......................and, unlike 1/25 kits , a replacement engine can't be swiped from somebody else's Dodge kit.

 I read through this thread last night and I admit I'm a little concerned about what might be going on at the fsm head-shed.  It is kind of like bringing my girlfriend (now my wife) home at 2am when the curfew was 11pm, and finding her home empty.  1:  Her parents are are at police station filling out report for my arrest.  2:  Her parents are looking for us and papa has a shotgun meant for my behind.  3:  Something more serious has happened making my infraction minor.

   Probably nothing, but I expected a ( disappointed in us ) lecture and lock out way before this.

Who Me ?

    Well , I am sitting here sipping on my two fingers of Devils Cut wondering what I started . I was only intending to show what can happen even if you don't know What , Why and Where . I love building Models and resent being told I cannot display or compete with one because something  on it offends someone . Well , I digress .I don't like to offend anyone . So yeah , I am still here reading .

Yes ;

I do scale figures , Mostly of old sea captain types . I also do " Mini - Vignettes " in 1/35 scale As well as 1/87 and 1/160scale . For my own enjoyment , Not for competition . I find bringing a small wooden base to life with these little people does tend to test my shading and shadowing skills a lot .

Well, I believe GM said it was all tankerbuilder's fault.....................that a 1969 Dodge Charger was painted a shade of Chevy Orange................

tankerbuilder

Yes ;

I do scale figures , Mostly of old sea captain types . I also do " Mini - Vignettes " in 1/35 scale As well as 1/87 and 1/160scale . For my own enjoyment , Not for competition . I find bringing a small wooden base to life with these little people does tend to test my shading and shadowing skills a lot .

knox

 Probably nothing, but I expected a ( disappointed in us ) lecture and lock out way before this.

There's a LOT of respect here for each other. Everyone gets to the point where once they've said what they have to say, they move on and don't stick around to fight.

Sometimes I look at other discussion groups, after following a link to something I am interested in. It is skin peeling, hair raising what folks descend  to.

Wow, this is great!! Thank you Mr Morrison and Proffesor Tilley, along with everybody for teaching me more about this.

I made a post a few weeks back, just looking for more information, and got locked out....

Glad to see it removed "off the state capitol" (even though it flew over a Confederate memorial??? Hasn't flow over the building in 15 or so years) and maybe now we can stop chasing around this red, blue, and white boogieman and start addressing the REAL problem.

All I have to say is that elections have consequences.

With Limbaugh telling his audience that the removal of the flag is something he does not disagree with, I don't think those politicians have much to fear.

Virginia is next, resolving this license plate issue like Texas did. Then the Mississippi flag.

Soon it'll all be a memory, like I wish it would be here.

actually,being  newbie here at FSM Forums,I had no idea what to expect of such threads...

you see,Im a member of lots of other forums,luthiery,guitars,amps,guns,models,and sci-fi....most of those forums mods have been very swift in locking as most,if not all,of those threads devolved into name-throwing,butthurtitis,and the like.

this forums response has been calm,mostly rational,and modless....i applaud y'all

...............if somebody at FSM is gonna get the impression we are adults...................

what happens to the FSM forum admin job? 

GMorrison

With Limbaugh telling his audience that the removal of the flag is something he does not disagree with, I don't think those politicians have much to fear.

What ever gave you the idea that politicians listen or accede to the wishes of Limbaugh's audience? 

Yeah ! Good Point !

GMorrison

With Limbaugh telling his audience that the removal of the flag is something he does not disagree with, I don't think those politicians have much to fear.

Virginia is next, resolving this license plate issue like Texas did. Then the Mississippi flag.

Soon it'll all be a memory, like I wish it would be here.

I should clarify--I didn't mean that people who disagree with removing the flag will vote their reps out of office.  I meant that this happened because of the people we've been electing, over decades.

 My thoughts turned this morning to a question . I wonder when the flag will be outlawed? As ridiculous as it sounds it could be a possibility.  Although not nearly on the scale that Germany has against the swastika, I'm pretty sure we can look for that to happen here especially if there's backlash over all of this. There's always some idiot out there with something to prove after something like this. If everybody would just leave well enough alone it would be a done deal and nothing else would come of it. In a perfect world....................

I am afraid ;

       You mention a perfect world . Where ? Kin I go dere ? You know of course I am kidding   . I only wish there was such a thing as a perfect world ,there's a problem though . The world we live in is populated by a big problem - Humans ! !

Exactly my point. I don't want to delve off too deep in all that because that gets into a stir but it brings to mind lots of possibilities. We'll see...........

Would any of us prefer to live in a country where elections didn't have consequences?

GM, a problem with Confederate flags on North Carolina license plates is also brewing. The state DMV sells such "vanity plates" to members of quite a number of organizations, such as the Vietnam Veterans Association, World War II veterans, and I'm not sure how many others. One of the approved organizations is the United Sons of Confederate Veterans. Members can order (at additional charge) plates bearing a small Confederate flag with the name of the association lettered around it.

There has indeed been informal discussion in the (highly conservative) state legislature about taking those license plates off the market, on the grounds that the state should not be selling such symbols. There was an interesting op-ed piece in the Raleigh News and Observer a few days ago by the president of the NC chapter of the USCV. He argued that his organization is registered with the IRS as a non-profit, tax-exempt entity, and that its interest is in commemorating historical events and making contributions to charitable causes; that it therefore deserves parity with the other associations that can order license plates.

I honestly am not sure how I feel about that argument. I've known some members of the USCV who made it pretty clear that they knew virtually nothing about Civil War history, and some knew a lot more about it than I do (which isn't saying a great deal). Certainly not all members of the USCV are bigotted fiends - any m ore than all the Daughters of the Confederacy are. But If the Ku Klux Klan were to submit an application for vanity plates, what would the state do? It could be argued, I guess, that if the USCV "vanity plate" is taken off the market all the others should be taken off too. Personally, I don't think that would necessarily be a bad thing. Maybe these organizations need to advertise themselves with bumper stickers rather than state-issued license plates - and nobody seriously suggests banning bumper stickers. (My all-time favorite: "Help the environment! Kill yourself.")

On a related subject - those of us who've been around awhile can remember the Confederate Air Force. It was an association of historical aircraft enthusiasts who pooled resources and knowledge to restore old airplanes (mainly from World War II), and flew them around to air shows. I saw quite a few of those "Confederate warbirds" in action; they were a welcome fixture of airshows for several decades. I never saw a hint of any political or social agenda in the group; the "Confederate" label seemed to be perceived as a joke. The CAF had an emblem - a cartoon of a comical-looking Confederate officer in uniform, saying "Forget H---!" I never heard of anybody taking that insignia as anything more than a joke. The organization is now called the Commemorative Air Force. I just googled its website, which explained that the name change was done by membership vote in 2002. I think that was a wise, courteous move.

The reason for using the name : "Confederate Air Force" was , per what I was told by a member back in the mid 1980s  ( IIRC ) , intended to be a joke since aircraft did not exist during the 1860s.

Of course, more people understood the joke back then as Americans still knew how to read............books. and did not object to learning.

Try telling somebody in 2015 that the Confederacy had an air force and I would not bet my life that the comment would be disbelieved.

Mustang, I don't think that the flag can be "outlawed" here in the USA. That would qualify as a First Amendment violation. After all, if one can burn or fly the US flag upside down with court sanctioned impunity, or purchase and fly the Rising Sun, National Socialist German, Hammer and Sickle, or any other number of standards & banners, the CSA battle flag will get the same considerations and protections. At least as the laws of the land currently exist. I won't say that this is much ado about nothing, because as can be seen there are deep emotions on this symbolic issues on both sides. But at the end of the day, the law of the land still grants one the right to wave it as seen fit. That's the one that I signed up for.

You make a good point Stik. A comforting as well as hopeful one as well.

Right, and the CAF was founded in Texas so there's a local angle as well. I won't pretend to advance the argument for not issuing the plates with the flag, as the Supremes split 5-4 on the issue so it's almost as political as legal. Plates ARE State property.  I'm sure that the churches would probably have the same obstacle.

And one could paint the entire tailgate of their truck with the flag if they so chose.

History is not a neat and tidy thing.

Mustang we can all sleep safe at night. I write signage codes and ordinances, among other things, for a living. Anything with even a whiff of "flag" to it is excluded from governance so quickly your head would spin. Landlords do have rights of control over what is on their property, however.

I don't know if Tankerbuilder ever figured out the answer to his question about figures, vignettes or ironclads.

It's going to be OK, Tanks.

And frankly I'm quite surprised that his Bismark was turned away at the door. I'm not familiar with the rules at shows, but I suppose its within their rights. That would make life difficult for quite a few of the aircraft displayed, I would think.

I'm fascinated with Limbaugh's take on this. I certainly am way to the left of him, but there's so much room in between there that to hear him see something, anything, in the way I do suggests that it's a pretty widely held opinion. Unless we are both idiots. One or the other I would accept, but we can't both be, can we?

Another gem from him on the issue, to the effect that yes it's the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia, but for all intents and purposes it's the Confederate Flag, so don't keep bringing that point up. Ah, Rush... what comes from reading the newspaper every day.

In other news, the NCAA lifted its fifteen year moratorium on National Championships being held in SC. I believe there are some sports fans in the state.

This is an interesting little thing from Listverse:

In 1864, the Confederate States began to abandon slavery. There are some indications that even without a war, the Confederacy would have ended slavery. Most historians believe that the Confederacy only started to abandon slavery once their defeat was imminent. If that were true then we are to believe that the CSA wanted independence more than they wanted to hold on to slavery. The CSA’s highest ranking generals, Robert E. Lee and Joseph E. Johnston were not slave holders and did not believe in slavery. And according to an 1860 census, only 31% of families owned slaves. 75% of families that owned slaves owned less than 10 and often worked beside them in the fields. The Confederate Constitution banned the overseas slave trade, and permitted Confederate states to abolish slavery within their borders if they wanted to do so. Slavery wasn’t abolished until 1868, 3 years after the war. Thus Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware still had slaves.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/247171-house-votes-to-ban-confederate-flags-at-federal-cemeteries

It's also mostly untrue.

That's all a lift from a website called Southernheritage411.

The only indication that the South was moving towards abandoning slavery was a proposal made to Jefferson Davis that to do so would make permanent diplomatic relations with England and France, but the proposal was rejected and there certainly was no institutional move to do so. Abandoning and abolishing are also two different things; in their hypothetical country, that would have required a Constitutional Amendment as noted below:

The Constitution of the Confederacy, Article 1, Section 9,(4):

" No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed. "

The ban on importation of slaves clearly was to keep the market from being flooded and push down the value of the existing slaves.

Jefferson Davis, the President, owned slaves.

The Emancipation Proclamation was made in 1863, freeing the slaves in the South, which itself hadn't won independence at the time. And the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution was passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, the South surrendered on April 12th of that year.

Man would I have ever failed a "pop" history quiz...............

I'm reminded of a gem that turned up on my wife's Facebook the other day:

"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln

People have been trying for the past 150 years to convince themselves that the Civil War wasn't really about slavery. That just doesn't work.

It's certainly probable that slavery would have died out eventually if it had been confined to the South. Lincoln himself said "I have no purpose to interfere with the institution where it exists." (The Emancipation Proclamation was, in many respects, a political document designed to get votes in the election of 1864 - and to keep Great Britain out of the war.) And the issue was more complicated than one side wanting slavery and the other side wanting to stop it.  But I don't think any trained professional historian would argue today that slavery was not the central cause of the war.

Not really sure what's not true here? Most of what is being said is conjecture. In fact, that's pretty much what all historical analysis is. Data is always incomplete, which is why history continues to unfold. Was the Civil War not about slavery at all? That would be very hard to argue with any kind of seriousness. Was it totally about slavery? That's also hard to argue, though slavery certainly was a big issue at the time, and both physical skirmishes and rising emotions over the issue probably had a lot to do with the outbreak of full on war. It may be a stretch to say the southern states were "abandoning" slavery, but maybe not? I doubt President Davis was going in that direction, but it's arguable that the markets and people might have been - though, if so, what the reasons were is definitely fodder for discussion. I'm not convinced, myself, that the typical footsoldier was primarily motivated, for or against, by the cause of slavery. Of course, I may be wrong about that

GM, I think you meant Southern "Heritage" 411. I looked for the other and that's pretty much all that came up, and it seems to fit what you were saying