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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:36 AM

Tanker - Builder

DON ;

  If you do that , when do you find modeling time ?  Personally , I have noticed a drop .What with certain folks gone , for whatever reason and everyone complaining about navigating this site .

    I am so dumb ( Computer Wise ) I still can't do the picture thing .Yet, I am still here , and navigate just fine . .Now , I have more on my plate but I still make time for here and another Model site .     T.B.

 

It takes me less than half an hour to read my forums.  I do not read each post- the titles of the threads determine whether I read them.  So there are still many hours in the day to do modeling (plus I am retired).  I find a much worse limit is that in my advanced age my concentration is failing, and I cannot spend as many continuous hours at the bench as I used to.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

fox
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Posted by fox on Saturday, April 23, 2016 10:36 AM

I usually check the forums right after breakfast.  I do the same as Don by glancing through the posts and reading only those whose titles draw my attention.  After completeing the usual Dr. visits, errands, shopping  and then the items on the "Honey Do" list, I hit the bench.  After dinner, I check the Forums again and then head for the bench again.  I don't have a concentration limit as I could work at the bench all day on various builds and forget lunch and dinner if it weren't for SWMBO telling me to get my butt out from the bench and sit down to eat (bless her soul). Might check the Forums again before retiring for the night/morning. 

T.B. - I can't post pics either.  Been going round and round with PB for years. Tried other sites too with no luck.   The book "Computers for Dummies" is so far over my head it's rediculous.  I can send pics in e-mails though.  If anyone wants to see pics, send your e-mail in a PM and I can send loads and loads of pics as I always take pics during my builds to send to the guys in the club.  Also have pics from all contests we attended (100s of pics).

Jim  Captain


 

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:49 PM

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Posted by freem on Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:48 PM

I agree that the forums have slowed a bit, but I wonder if it is a cyclical thing.  As for me a remodeling project at home has consumed me for the last couple of months.  I signed up for 2 group builds that I haven't even started on although I resolved in January to finish several kits that were 90+ percent finished.

Almost all my "forum time" is spent on the FSM site so I cant vouch for other forums on other sites (I am a member on several others, just don't have time to mess with them).

Chris Christenson

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 24, 2016 12:03 PM

To me it is very clear that activity has dropped. I also tend to agree that activity began to slide with the upgrade. It is sad to see that this is happening.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, April 24, 2016 12:45 PM

It seems to me that like Rob mentioned above, the mood here has changed since I joined a few years back.

It seems there used to be back and forth discussions, with involvement and interest in the posts of others. Now, an alarming number of people simply read the OP, reply, and run off. This is apparant from the number of same answers in threads, among other things.

I believe this may be partly due to the format changes, especially only one previous post showing in the reply window, but that discussion seems to be moot and verbotin.

I was enticed to join here because of the friendly, discussion-oriented atmosphere here. IMO, the folks are still freindly, but the posts these days are more directed to the OP than being discussion-oriented.

That said, at 3 years I am still a relative newbie, so I'm not sure my observations or feelings reflect what is really going on.

Still, a bunch of great folk and a tremendous amount of know-how and willingness to share here and that's the main thing for me, anyway.

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Posted by templar1099 on Sunday, April 24, 2016 2:06 PM

Greg
Still, a bunch of great folk and a tremendous amount of know-how and willingness to share here and that's the main thing for me, anyway.


I ain't goin' nowhere.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, April 24, 2016 3:49 PM

templar1099

 

 
Greg
Still, a bunch of great folk and a tremendous amount of know-how and willingness to share here and that's the main thing for me, anyway.

 


I ain't goin' nowhere.

 

Same here. Truly is a great group, whether anything has changed or if it's imagined.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, April 24, 2016 9:09 PM

What's frustrating the OP may post a question and we respond, and then the OP simply disappears never to be heard from again.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, April 24, 2016 9:16 PM

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:10 PM

Yeah, I've largely stopped trying to help people I've never heard of here. Generally I'd be happy to offer a helping hand but when someone asks a question and then never replies so you don't know if it was helpful, useless, wrong or what I get a little miffed.

Same here, I'd post more but the site has been slower so there's not as much to reply too. I guess I could start a few threads but other people tend to come up with better topics than I do.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:33 PM

Maybe all the good questions are already asked and there is nothing left to say.

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Posted by templar1099 on Monday, April 25, 2016 8:00 AM

modelmaker66

Maybe all the good questions are already asked and there is nothing left to say.

 


I understand the sentiment, if am looking for info I will use the 'highly intuitive' search function and generally will find the answer somewhere already posted. I will not post advice unless I have experienced a situation directly, my lack of knowledge in this hobby would fill Wikipedia, and then some, but will add opinions to topics that strike a chord. But I have never been disappointed in the interactions here. 

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by Texgunner on Monday, April 25, 2016 8:03 AM

modelmaker66

Maybe all the good questions are already asked and there is nothing left to say.

 

I guess that depends on how far back one is willing to look...Wink

New modelers sometimes ask old questions too.

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

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Posted by Greg on Monday, April 25, 2016 10:07 AM

Rob Gronovius
I call those "drive by posters"......
 

That's funny. Smile I always called them "post-and-runners" but I like yours better, Rob. Those folk annoy me too. But I don't get why active members continue to answer the question weeks if not months after the OP. Oh well.

I don't mind repeat questions. I think being receptive to those helps keep new folks coming in and the forum alive (with the exception of the post-and-runners thing). Sad

 

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Posted by Scarecrow Joe on Monday, April 25, 2016 12:04 PM
What I find most frustrating is the lack of involvement from the admins and/or owners of the site when this type of threads appear. Ignoring long time members genuine complains and/or observations regarding how things are felt by the community. If someone posts and never come back that's their loos, but when issues like these are brought forward the overall vibe (of just ignoring) received from the ones "in charge" is a loss for EVERYONE. A thing like that can not continue for too long, that to me is the sign that a shutdown is in the near future. Hope I am wrong though.
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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, April 25, 2016 12:41 PM

Gamera
I guess I could start a few threads but other people tend to come up with better topics than I do.

I feel the same way, but I post something like a WIP anyway, if nothing else maybe it gives someone something new to read on occasion and maybe I can impart an idea to someone. I do find the lack of responses a little discouraging and find I get more when I post the same topic on other sites but what the heck, I can use them as my own build log.

Steve

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 25, 2016 2:19 PM
I love seeing WIP threads, but I don't always comment. A lot of what I see surpasses my skills, and I would wager more people on this site have far more specific knowledge about the subjects than I could find through a quick Google search. I don't feel like I can add anything other than an "atta boy" type comment because I'm so impressed with what I see, and my work pales in comparison. I'll read through several threads just absorbing information. Maybe I'd feel like I had more to contribute after being around a bit longer and getting a bit more knowledge and experience under my belt.

On my bench: Academy 1/35 UH-60L Black Hawk

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, April 25, 2016 3:57 PM

silentbob33
I love seeing WIP threads, but I don't always comment. A lot of what I see surpasses my skills, and I would wager more people on this site have far more specific knowledge about the subjects than I could find through a quick Google search. I don't feel like I can add anything other than an "atta boy" type comment because I'm so impressed with what I see, and my work pales in comparison. I'll read through several threads just absorbing information. Maybe I'd feel like I had more to contribute after being around a bit longer and getting a bit more knowledge and experience under my belt.
 

Nothing wrong with attaboys let's the poster know someone cares.Or something specific,weathering looks great,I like the tracks,how did you get that look.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 25, 2016 4:30 PM

This topic is quite timely. I am running a WIP, and today, I came close to closing it out for a lack of perceived interest. It gets pretty discouraging when you post updates and very often all that you get in return is crickets. I am not looking for atta boys, but hearing something would be nice. And, trust me, it does not have to be advice.

I like following WIPs too and that is the reason I stepped up to do my own. I am not doing this for myself. I am doing it to give back to this forum by giving people something to look at, and maybe even learn something from everyone's combined input. 

I often chime in on other people's WIPs even if I don't have advice, just so the OP knows that someone appreciates the effort. A little bit goes a long way. So the next time that you think you have nothing to contribute, think again. Just posting something helps fuel the fire for the OP to continue on. Otherwise, what's the point. Trust me. It would be far less effort on my part if I didn't run a WIP.  

I also agree that the moderators/admins should be more involved to spark some life into their product. I have strong opinions on that, and I will keep those to myself.

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 25, 2016 4:44 PM

Bakster

 

I also agree that the moderators/admins should be more involved to spark some life into their product. I have strong opinions on that, and I will keep those to myself.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%... and then some. I'm a mod on another forum, and if I see a topic that is slow or has no replies, especially a WIP or completed build, I say a little something to let the poster know that their work is not ignored. 

 

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 25, 2016 5:16 PM
You have great points Baxter. Having a few quiet WIPs myself, I know how any response can help keep things moving and let the OP know their work is appreciated.

On my bench: Academy 1/35 UH-60L Black Hawk

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 25, 2016 6:32 PM

There you go Stik. That is what I am talking about. You are doing it. Way to go sir.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 25, 2016 6:37 PM

SilentBob, I would like to check out your WIPs. I have to admit that since the forum update that I am a bit lost in how to search out people's posts. Where are they located? What genre? 

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 25, 2016 7:13 PM
Off the top of my head I had an M1A1 and an M-18 Hellcat in the armor thread, although the Hellcat is way back there, a He-219 in aircraft, and a Jedi starfighter and AT-AT walker in sci-fi. I do wish there was an easier way to search the forums.

On my bench: Academy 1/35 UH-60L Black Hawk

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Posted by MJames70 on Monday, April 25, 2016 7:15 PM

modelmaker66

Maybe all the good questions are already asked and there is nothing left to say.

 

I think there may be more truth to that then their perhaps seems to be on the surface. The internet has expanded exponentially the last ten years. These days, a kit barely has to get off the boat and clear customs before there are 5 Youtube videos looking it over posted. Tips, techniques, and reviews are everywhere. You don't have to ask, or even know another modeler these days to get good info.

The internet is also quickly eroding the print media. FSM's circulation is maybe half of what it was in its heyday, and that is even considering they have been the only general scale modeling mag in the US for many years. So you have a forum tied to a magazine that simply not many people are reading any more. 

Efforts by print to save itself have mostly boiled down to charging for internet content, which has almost always proven to be spectacular failures when tried. No one wants to pay any real $$$s for internet content. Advertising content in the mag is way, way, way down too. And that's not a good thing, by the way. Ads are a sign of hobby and magazine health. Their lack indicates otherwise. Except for a few of the big players, FSM is almost devoid of ads these days.

And FSM is highly dependent on them. That's why most of their model 'reviews' are not really all that useful. They have to softball them, so what advertisers there are keep coming back, no matter how horrid the kits actually were.

Whether people realize it or not, we are/were living in a golden age for the hobby, where the selection and quality of available kits have never been better. At the same time, it is very difficult on manufacturers these days. Most of the 'low hanging fruit' that would justify the tooling expenses has been done to death already. 

One of the things that undoubtedly changed the industry was the entry of the Chinese manufacturers in the 90s. They were making stuff no one else would, and in large numbers. But I think they have been hurt by their own success now - the easy pickings are gone for subjects. Dragon in particular seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel these days, due to the vast amount of armor kits they have put out the last 20 years or so. They are relying on prototypes and one offs, and stuff even your usual SGF has never heard of. That makes it tough going when you have to pay the tooling costs on something so obscure up front. But what else is left for them to do that would be a great seller?

It doesn't help that they seem to have stopped caring about what crap they put in the box. Whether you are just an assembler, or a rivet counter, the Dragon M103s were a disgrace in a box. And they were charging top prices for such a half baked kit, when they have better efforts cheaper in their own product line. I wonder where they go from here, especially in armor.

I think you can see this in the kit wish listing that goes on annually in the mag, and online all the time. The lists sure have changed over the last 30+ years! In the old days, there was a fair amount of stuff that could still be done. Once in a while now there is something that might justify the tooling costs, a few that might make it as shorts runs, but most of the 'suggestions' are of stuff the manufacturers may just as well flush their money down the toilet, set their facility on fire, and shoot themselves afterwards. That 1/32 Farley Fruitbat modelers are just dying for in surveys is never going to be worth tooling. If it does get released and has a rivet misplaced, it gets savaged in reviews and sells poorly to the 'informed' hbby crowd they are relying on for most of the sales. Then there are cases of stuff like the Monogram  1/48 JU-52 people just had to have...and sat on shelves when actually released. 

'It was the best of times; it was the worst of times...' Things may never have been better than they were in the last few years, but the industry is changing again. It is going to be increasingly tough for manufacturers to stand out with products that are commercially viable. I saw this with overproduction and too many players in the train hobby starting around 2000, and the train side of the hobby has steadily eroded since. Will the hobby disappear? I don't think it's all gloom and doom, but I think it is going to be more end times for some, and consolidation for others. I think the big boost from the Chinese players entering the market has run its course now. We'll see where it goes from here. 

 

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Monday, April 25, 2016 7:21 PM

I think the forums have become humorless and boring, compared to a few years ago.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by ajd3530 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:08 AM

stikpusher

 

 
Bakster

 

I also agree that the moderators/admins should be more involved to spark some life into their product. I have strong opinions on that, and I will keep those to myself.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed 100%... and then some. I'm a mod on another forum, and if I see a topic that is slow or has no replies, especially a WIP or completed build, I say a little something to let the poster know that their work is not ignored. 

 

I had no idea about this stik. Which site do you moderate, if you don't mind me asking? I miss not seeing you in here as much since the update.

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:51 AM

it might be worth considering that there has been a wave of intolerant and sometimes caustic posters that blow up ideas that they are not in favor of. probobly off putting for a lot of contributors, especially new ones. Tolerance and acceptance along with fostering new ideas is a good way to get people more involved.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 1:18 AM

PM sent AJD.

MM, everybody has their two cents to add on any given subject. Some are just delivered more tactfully than others. But yes, making inroads into any forum can be intimidating for new folks. But of just about every forum where I have joined and partaken, this has probably been the friendliest and most easy going to get started in... save one other I know of Wink

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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