Negativity in the modeling community

Hi,

I think I hear what you are saying and agree.  I find its much more enjoyable to try and encourage people in their pursuits than to be negative about them.  And one thing that often gets me (as I have posted about before) is that some of the things that some people seem to get nit picky over are items that nobody probably really should be 100% sure of. 

PF

TB, you are way to young to be playing with toys, do something productive with your life. Geez!

LOL! Just messin' No negativity here! 

Negativity and cynicism are everywhere in life.Many people who walk around with that attitude do it to be cool,you know "i'm too cool for this".Or " i'm above all of this".

Negativity is a waste of time and effortless energy.

positivity is where the human heart should be.

Your friend Tosh

I second all your comments!

Stop with the negative waves, man! 

T e d

I'm fairly new to modeling ships but I have been very fortunate to have only received some kind words of support, tips, advice and some constructive criticism, which has helped me move forward. Unfortunately, I have stumbled across a few posts with remarks that I felt were pretty cruel and unnecesary.

Members skills and talents range from basic to miraculous in the work that they do and it's easy to forget that perfection is always one step ahead. That old America Indian adage of 'For every finger that is pointing, there are four fingers pointing back at you" in many ways, sums it all up.

I feel very humbled when I look at the many models that appear in these pages. With that, it's time for some pie !!! Thanks to all  

Tank is a wise man; a very wise man!

I will say this...I am a mediocre modeller who has major anxiety issues and depression.  When I see people ripping on models in ways like:  That's too weathered; that's not weathered enough; that build is compltely innacurate; they used bolts here and 29 rivets there etc.  It just turns me off.

I have been a member of this group for a while now, but I have to take many breaks from it due to the anxiety that builds up from reading such comments.

I understand this is "Fine scale modelling" and details matter to some if not most.  But I model as a coping method for my anxiety/depression, and if I get comments like the above - no matter how well intentioned they are - it degrades my enjoyment and increases my anxiety.

It also contributes to the fact that I can't seem to start a model for fear of ruining it, or receiving negative comments.

I think most people here are good mannered, well intentioned people with tons of experience that I can learn from.  TB is certainly one of them.  Others - a small percentage here - just can't get over the rivet counting and point out every deficiency.

Where I've seen it most is on Facebook model pages.

So just remember, words matter and since we only have words and some emoji's to help convey intensions we must choose what we say carefully.

Peace to all!

Some good points made.  

Something to consider is the individual who states that their model will never look as good may have a low self esteem factor going into it.  They see others work as outstanding or masterpieces, their own may look fantastic to others but they see it as a compilation of all the mistakes they feel they made.

The ones who feel they are above the rest may be good builders but they want to keep whatever "status" they feel they have achieved.  They want to be the expert and they want to be considered as masters.  They don't understand that the status they want is only achieved by encouraging others.  

Now myself, I am a rivit counter.  Of my own stuff.  I build acording to what I see in the pictures and hold myself to higher standard as far as what I want to achieve.  I will never achieve that lofty status that so many think they deserve.  That is alright as when I view my own work I see all the flaws and in my view they detract from the build.

Now these are just my opinions.  

Joe

Negativity in any form towards anyone or their life and what they like or produce is completely wrong and worthless. Nothing is gained by making someone feel or appear lesser, only building up a person is valid.

I'm a big fan of your editorials TB.  Carry on.

BTW I was in Cibolo for my daughters wedding this past weekend.   Very positive.   Beautiful country and gracious people.

keavdog

I'm a big fan of your editorials TB.  Carry on.

BTW I was in Cibolo for my daughters wedding this past weekend.   Very positive.   Beautiful country and gracious people.

 

I had to look up Cibolo, and to be honest I thought it would be some exotic location and find out it's in good ol' Texas. You are correct it looks like a beautiful place and well maintained. I wish your daughter many years of great health and happiness in her marriage.

P.S. - To add to this post...I'm a firm believer in "Live and let live". Life is to short to harbor hate our negetivity.

Pontiac Rich :

 Does that mean you own lotsa Pontiacs ? Good save one for me . Man, thank you for just being You .I have said , as others " We are our own worst critics " Way to often .I am easing up on myself and modeling is more fun than it ever was .Negativity , nah ! Don't sweat it .Just enjoy . T.B.

Fightinjoe ;

 You , a rivet counter ? Never woulda figured .Got one for you , Then How many rivets are there in a 1/350 scale destroyer Hull Expansion Plate ? LOL.LOL. Don't try to count them , Shoot , ya can't even see the joint LOL.LOL.

     You know in my Modeling Career I did at one time have to be a rivet counter Because of the scales I worked in . Like 1/96 , 1/12 and 1/16 . The lawyers on both sides would take a Tech manual and actually count the things !

 Now after all those and Museum Level stuff I don't count rivets .I count enjoyable hours at the bench . T.B.

TB I know I hide it well.  As for the rivits on the 1/350 destroyer, have never built one.  No idea.  But bet on if I were to build one I would notice that and a great many other details.  For myself I have been told I have OCD.  People see what I do and the extent I do it and just shake their heads.  For me it is if you are going to do it you have to make the effort to do it right.  To me research is one of the things that gives me the most joy as well as the most frustration in a build.  For instance, do you know how hard it is to find information on the placement of the TR9D in British ww2 aircraft?  I found several good pictures of the item but very little on where it goes, the only picture I found was a model of a Spit and a red line to where it was to go.

Joe

Negativity? This is how I deal with negativity.... I tell them to **** ***! That always makes me feel better when rivet counters or critics get nasty with a build.

Sometimes they have to be reminded not everyone is up at their level. They forget they were once greenhorns themselves a long time ago. You'd think they would remember their first beginnings. I guess they don't.

Joe :

 Vatindaheil is dat part LOL.LOL. dat udder ting .O.C.D. I must have that too .Last commission ship I told the client , " If it's in the pictures I take , It Will be in the model !"

       The model was a four foot Oil Spill Response Command Vessel .  And the bridge windows numbered 24@3/16"x3/16" .Take a flashlight, look inside .A boom Box on the chart table with a bent antennae .A coffee cup half full sitting on the chart , a coffeemaker with a half full carafe and a pair of Blue Jeans hanging from the railing that encircles the opening for the ladder going below ! They thought I was kidding !  T.B. P.S. Me  , Count Rivets , Nah !     P.P.S. If I am called upon as a volunteer judge I won't do that though . I would rather have a nice discussion with the builder after judging is over !

TBs punctuation is part of the charm of his posts.  lol. 

Armor_Aficionado

Dude, the only negativity you'll get from me is regarding your atrocious use of punctuation! NOTE: there is NO space BEFORE a punctuation mark. After, yes, either one or two spaces; usually one, except after a colon, or after the period at the end of a sentence. Although, the double space at the end of a sentence has come under much debate, since the MLA came out with a new style guide that said only one space at the end of a sentence; those of us who learned on typewriters (showing my age), are used to two spaces. BUT it is incorrect to put a leading space before a punctuation mark, like this: "I don ' t know who 's going to tomorrow ' s game , but seats #1 ,2 ,3 , and 4 are taken ." That makes your posts painful to read, just saying...

 

Wow... what are you? The Punctuality Police? Chill out. We've all long gone graduated from school and we're all adults now. The last thing we need is someone here telling us how to place punctuation marks. Nobody really cares. It's all part of T.B.'s charm.

Carry on TB!!!! :))

First thing I thought of after reading it lol. It's part of T.B. Charm

Armor_Aficionado

Dude, the only negativity you'll get from me is regarding your atrocious use of punctuation! NOTE: there is NO space BEFORE a punctuation mark. After, yes, either one or two spaces; usually one, except after a colon, or after the period at the end of a sentence. Although, the double space at the end of a sentence has come under much debate, since the MLA came out with a new style guide that said only one space at the end of a sentence; those of us who learned on typewriters (showing my age), are used to two spaces. BUT it is incorrect to put a leading space before a punctuation mark, like this: "I don ' t know who 's going to tomorrow ' s game , but seats #1 ,2 ,3 , and 4 are taken ." That makes your posts painful to read, just saying...

 

Rambo

First thing I thought of after reading it lol. It's part of T.B. Charm

 

Armor_Aficionado

Dude, the only negativity you'll get from me is regarding your atrocious use of punctuation! NOTE: there is NO space BEFORE a punctuation mark. After, yes, either one or two spaces; usually one, except after a colon, or after the period at the end of a sentence. Although, the double space at the end of a sentence has come under much debate, since the MLA came out with a new style guide that said only one space at the end of a sentence; those of us who learned on typewriters (showing my age), are used to two spaces. BUT it is incorrect to put a leading space before a punctuation mark, like this: "I don ' t know who 's going to tomorrow ' s game , but seats #1 ,2 ,3 , and 4 are taken ." That makes your posts painful to read, just saying...

 

 

 

 

I hate to start a big argument here, and do not intend to mention names (it happens with so many posts), but it seems like no one bothers anymore to proofread their posts before hitting the submit button.  I am sure that in most cases it is typos, rather than a lack of knowledge of grammar.  But it would be easier to read and understand posts if we all took a moment to look at our messages before we post them.  With few exceptions our posts are not that long, and will take only a few seconds to post them.  The idea should not be to force a certain style or anything.  However, all writing should keep in mind the reader- we do want to be understood.  Make reading our posts easier for the reader.  There have been a number of posts on the fsm forums recently that I have had a hard time understanding because of typos or mistakes in posting.

Don Stauffer

I hate to start a big argument here, and do not intend to mention names (it happens with so many posts), but it seems like no one bothers anymore to proofread their posts before hitting the submit button. I am sure that in most cases it is typos, rather than a lack of knowledge of grammar. But it would be easier to read and understand posts if we all took a moment to look at our messages before we post them. With few exceptions our posts are not that long, and will take only a few seconds to post them. The idea should not be to force a certain style or anything. However, all writing should keep in mind the reader- we do want to be understood. Make reading our posts easier for the reader. There have been a number of posts on the fsm forums recently that I have had a hard time understanding because of typos or mistakes in posting.

Guilty as charged. With longer posts too-often disappearing before hitting the send button here (I'm not the only one), I'm half-afraid to take the time to proofread on here.