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Posted by berny13 on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:06 PM
Build to satisfy yourself and not someone else. You did not write or make history, you are only displaying it. To ignore that part of history, is to pretend it did not happen. If you build a German WW ll aircraft, with kill markings on it, and someone questions your patriotism because of it, they do not understand history. A lot of bad things have happened through history. To ignore or pretend they didn't happen is like sticking your head into the sand. You have not accomplished or changed anything. You just look foolish.

As for building weapons as a living, some worked as a deterent to prevent more powerful weapons from being used.

When I came back from South East Asia after spending four years there, a war protestor looked at the awards on my uniform and asked. "Which one of those is for killing small children"? I just pointed to one and said "This one" and walked off. He just stood there speachless because that wasn't what he was expecting.

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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:55 PM
I believe that most of us here build not to make any political statements of some sorts but to just to do something that we like to do most - build models. And that's all there is to it. No more or less.

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Posted by Woody on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:51 PM
I hope we can get past this PC thing before we become a nation of wimps and whinners. Next time someone complains tell them to build their model the way they want it and if yours offends their delicate sensablities, they can avert their gaze. SoapBox [soapbox]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:00 PM
Often when history forgets its self it is destined to re-peat itself....for God sakes I hope not!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:59 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto]
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Posted by erush on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 PM
Breezly I think I understand what you're saying and my answer to you is if you don't plan on becoming a politician, don't worry about it. You don't have to be "politically correct" Big Smile [:D]


Just build what you want to build and we'll try to keep the "PC's" from telling us we can't by voting for the better ones. I have a hard time understanding some of the European countries keeping swastica's from even being on a decal sheet. I'd try to make sure everyone remembered the history myself instead of trying to forget it. That only opens the door for it too happen again. A symbol doesn't have anything to do with what happened.

Eric
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Posted by Keyworth on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:53 PM
Moral high ground my a**. I build to please myself first and foremost. If others appreciate my efforts, good for them. If not, that's their loss. As far as the morality, etc, anyone that pursues that line of thought at a typical gathering of modellers has an agenda very different from everyone else there. PC myopia strikes again. breezyely1, I think that the nun you encountered needs to get out more, or at least read about it. There are true monsters in this world, and guys like you and me certainly don't qualify for that title. You want murderes? Look to Iraq pre 1990; look at Cambodia around 1975......you know the litany as well as I do. Monsters like that are ignored because it didn't happen here, so the little guys get targeted because it's an easy out. Sorry, didn't mean to stand on the soapbox for so long. Usually, the only comments I draw about the models I build from non-believers are about "grown men/women playing with toys".
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:53 PM
Its a hobby....THATS ALL! I build what I like...doesnt mean I support the political motivation or reasoning behind the forces that employed the machine! Geesh what is this world coming too....I shoot firearms for a hobby does that mean Im an armed maniac?(dont answer that!).....Just another example of the liberals in this country/elsewhere running off at the mouth for something which they have very little or no understanding of!

Dont let it get to you....Are you a murderer for helping build subs...Nope in my book your one of the behind the scenes heroes and I tip my hat to you!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:48 PM
I believe that what we make are representations of the MACHINERY of HISTORY. I haven't seen anyone in the modelling world build out of political idealism. You know why you build what you build. That is your choice. If someone sees it as political advertising, that is their choice. I think that its important to remember that the original machines and the models are built by people, regardless of which point on the globe and what era into which they were born. There is no choice there. But we can choose how we view objects & representations of objects.
You can't change a person's ideas or beliefs. That is something only they can do. If they choose not to appreciate the results of a lot of effort & hard work, its their loss.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:44 PM
It's history, and it's just a model...... people are always looking for a fight.....

don't let it bother you breezely............


to heck with what people think!!! build 'cause YOU want to...
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The moral high ground
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:26 PM
After reading the intense discussion in the german armor forum I must admit that I've sometimes felt a little funny about building an SS tank or Luftwaffe aircraft. I often wondered if people would think the wrong thing. So I have to ask: Has anyone ever had their morality / loyalty / political motivation, etc. questioned after proudly showing off their Tiger tank or Japanese Zero or BF 109 Messershmitt? You know, I once had a Roman Catholic nun call me a murderer because I helped build Trident submarines. (I plan on building the 1/350 plastic version soon) I'm still not a murderer.
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