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Posted by lastastronaut on Friday, July 22, 2011 4:18 AM

Screaminhelo, I would LOVE to be able to see any pics you may have. Awhile back on the computer that I broke, I had saved in my favorites, a photobucket site that featured TONS of really incredible very specific and detail shots of the complete tear down and overhaul process of the Hawk,that the crew cheif had posted as a photolog. He had taken pics of the entire rotor mast and hub components completely stripped and laid out on tables and floor,as well as all the other airframe components, inside and out. Ive since lost that site and have no idea who it was and my image searches are not returning anything. This wouldnt happen to be you? Regardless, I would love to see any pics you may have. Do you have a photo site where your pics are posted? Thank you. Cory.

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Posted by Axel Smith on Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:19 PM

Thank you viper and helo!

I might still add a little more detail, i just want to make sure i don't go over the top.

Any pictures would be apreciated Big Smile [:D]

- Alex

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:34 AM

Looks great Axel!

I could pick nits but what you have looks like an engine and that is the real goal here.  Adding the wiring for the green and yellow harnesses makes it stand out. 

We should have one on a stand in a week or so and I will try to get some pictures then.

 

Mac

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Posted by viper_mp on Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:10 AM
Looks great from what I can remember. Although I usually played with the weapons systems, not the engines. But I would be proud dropping it into a Hawk model. 

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Posted by Axel Smith on Friday, October 16, 2009 11:25 PM

Well, unless you guys think otherwise, I'm gonna call this one done...









What do you guys think?
Comments and Crits most certainly welcome!

- Alex

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Posted by Axel Smith on Friday, October 9, 2009 8:19 PM
Thanks David, I sure hope I'll do a good job on her.

- Alex

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Posted by Ti4019 on Friday, October 9, 2009 12:08 PM

I think its awesome that your putting such great effort into getting the details layed in!  The big 'hawk is a nice beast when it's done, you'll do it proud!

 

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Posted by Axel Smith on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:15 PM
Yup. Only 14. Well... 15 soon. But don't plan on her being airborne anytime soon. She's more of just a side project I'm working on in between other stuff. The interior isn't even finished yet. Haha. But if you want I can post pics.

- Alex

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:11 PM

Alex,

  So you are only 14?  Wow, that is some great work regardless, but I'm not that good at scratchbuilding and I have a couple of decades on ya.  Great work so far, I can't wait to see her finished.

    Ray

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Posted by Axel Smith on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:23 PM
Yeah, well I'm not that picky about it being exactly right yet... but I am making a few changes throughout the build... and I know that the porportions of the engine and some other stuff is wrong, but I didn't want to scratchbuild the entire engine, so I just tried to add some detail to make is look a bit better.  I also had to copmletely strip the interior, cause I started it when I was 11 and didn't have any scratchbuilding/correcting experience.  So it was started OOB, shelved for 3 years, and now I'm picking it up as a side project... trying to add some more detail and such.

- Alex

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:17 PM
 Axel Smith wrote:

Thank you Big Smile [:D]

And I know that rivet counters won't think its that great... but I'm not that picky.  I just wanted to add a little detail to the engine, I didn't like the OOB version.

OOB gives you a general idea,  but the proportions are all wrong.  All things considered though, it is a really good kit.  Most items to be fixed can be handled with simple techniques.  I still have one on the bench from a few years ago that drove me nuts trying to 'make it right'.  One day I will pick it back up and not be so picky and not compare it with the 1/1 scale ones at work.

 

 

Mac

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Posted by Axel Smith on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:08 PM

Thank you Big Smile [:D]

And I know that rivet counters won't think its that great... but I'm not that picky.  I just wanted to add a little detail to the engine, I didn't like the OOB version.

- Alex

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:05 PM

Nice work Axel!  Rivet counters won't be pleased but this Hawk crewchief thinks it looks pretty good.  You have created the illusion of the engine.  I do want to make some good reference shots of the engines when the next phase starts and anyone will be welcome to them when I get them.

 

 

Mac

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Posted by GRANT ED on Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:42 AM
Hi Axel. For what its worth I believe the ducting you were asking about at the start of the thread is ducting for the air powered engine starter. I work on the SAAB 340 which has the civil version of this engine fitted (CT-7). The air starter is a helicopter only thing. You will notice in some pics the ducting is gone and some rather heavy wires run to that area. These power the electrical starter/generator which is fitted in that case.
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Posted by Axel Smith on Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:33 AM

Okay, the engine is Primarily complete, i just need to do a bit of drybrushing, and a balck wash.

 

Comments and Crits welcome

- Alex

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Posted by Axel Smith on Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:26 PM
Oh Whoa. Thanks Mogwa! Very very much apprecited! That'll really help! Shock [:O] Big Smile [:D]

- Alex

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Posted by Mogwa on Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:12 PM

 

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Posted by Axel Smith on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:32 PM

Update: I've added some scratched parts, but nothing is really painted yet.  I just want to get your guys oppions on if it is good or bad or incredilby inaccurate (hopefully not).  I've painted some of the upper engine, the grey and brown, found in my refrence pics.

Sorry if its a bit pic heavy

I put in the picture of the back, because I'm not sure how I'm going to display the model yet. I'll either close the model up, open it and display it. So do you guys think it would be worth it to scratch a backing to the engine? 

- Alex

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Posted by Axel Smith on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:07 PM

WOW! Shock [:O] Thanks for all the pictures cobra!

Hopefully I will post another update tonight, I've been hacking away at the engine, and I will post some pics before I paint any new peices... 

- Alex

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Posted by supercobra on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:28 PM

More from an AH-1W:







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Posted by supercobra on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:26 PM

Here are some pics of the installation in an AH-1W.  As mentioned the duct on top as well as the exhaust heat shields on the back will differ depending what it is installed in and the left side of the engine is very different than the right.  Seems most of my pictures are of the port side.  The engine detail in the 1/35 MRC AH-1W looks better than the H-60 kit but I don't know if they are scaled the same.










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Posted by rotorwash on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:26 AM

Mac,

  Thanks for all the info. So if it's not a T700, what is this engine and what kind of aircraft is this?

   Thanks,

           Ray

 

 

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Posted by Melgyver on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:44 AM

Screaminhelo,

 Good eye on the Apache engine,  I should have noticed the "wing" he was standing on.  I was focused on the engine area.  Couldn't see the forest for the trees kinda thing! 

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Axel Smith on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:22 PM
 Screaminhelo wrote:

The engine is looking pretty good.  What comes in the kit is a pretty good starting point but some of the proportions are off, but that would really be getting into the nitty gritty, so I'll just throw out a few ideas to help busy it up like a real engine.

You could use some wire or fine solder to represent fuel and sensor lines on the engine.  The ips duct is made of fiberglass and is sort of a coffee color.  On the foreward portion fo the engine there are four wire harnesses, green, yellow, blue and white (just don't go crazy with them, they each only connect in a few places).  You could easily just pick out a couple of items in black and use a couple of metal shades on the core engine and it would really pop!

I can't do it now, but when the next phase starts, I'll try to remember to get some shots of the engines on the stands.

I hope to have been of some help.  Feel free to ask any questions or PM me for more info.

 

 

 

Thank helo, that'll really help make some parts start out. I will get to work on that as soon as I can.  I found some good refrence shots of the colored wires in the front, and i'll try not to go overbord on them. Whistling [:-^]

- Alex

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:00 PM
 rotorwash wrote:

Sorry if I led anyone astray.  I know better than to post links to systems I don't know that well. Could someone tell me what type of engine that link actually shows?

    Ray

As an note, GE's site claims the T700 can be found in all these aircraft:

  • AH-64
  • UH-60L
  • AH-1W
  • SH-2G
  • UH-1Y
  • SH-60
  • HH-60J
  • MH-60G
  • MH-60K
  • AW101
  • NH90
  • S-92
  • MH-60R/S
  • UH-60M

However, this doesn't look anything like the photos of a T700 off the airframe:

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Is it just the ducting that's throwing me here or are there multiple variants of the engine?

 

 

 

The only ones that I am not sure about are the AW101 and the  NH90.  The others all use the T700 series engine, although various models within the series.  The M1 even uses the same basic engine!

In the picture, you are looking at the left engine on an Apache.  The large duct (ips duct) is for the inlet particle separator.  The bleed air tube below the green wire is for inlet anti-ice, at least it is on the Hawk and I imagine that it would be the same for an Apache.

Alex-
The engine is looking pretty good.  What comes in the kit is a pretty good starting point but some of the proportions are off, but that would really be getting into the nitty gritty, so I'll just throw out a few ideas to help busy it up like a real engine.

You could use some wire or fine solder to represent fuel and sensor lines on the engine.  The ips duct is made of fiberglass and is sort of a coffee color.  On the foreward portion fo the engine there are four wire harnesses, green, yellow, blue and white (just don't go crazy with them, they each only connect in a few places).  You could easily just pick out a couple of items in black and use a couple of metal shades on the core engine and it would really pop!

I can't do it now, but when the next phase starts, I'll try to remember to get some shots of the engines on the stands.

I hope to have been of some help.  Feel free to ask any questions or PM me for more info.

 

 

Mac

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:25 PM

Axel,

  Lookin' pretty good.  The soldier in that last pic looks like he has a T700 jetpack! 

    Ray

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Posted by Axel Smith on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:34 PM

Okay, here are some shots (not finished yet) but could you guys tell me what you think? It's not completely accurate, I know. More of a compilation of different pictures I've seen. But is there anything really important to fix? Just wanna know if I'm relatively on track.

View from top (still have to do a little work on the screen):

Top of the Engine:

 

Right:

 

Bottom:

 

Left:

 

Picture for the scale size:

 

 

- Alex

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Posted by Axel Smith on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:58 PM
Dang... You helio guys know everything! Laugh [(-D]

- Alex

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Posted by Melgyver on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:46 PM

Ray,

I think what you are seeing most on in the picture posted is a "blower" and ducting, for what I don't know, maybe to cool the exhaust.  You can see the main engine case buried behind and below the "blower".  It looks to be taking bled air from the compressor section, small duct coming up under the green wire.  This would be cold air and would make sense mixing with the exhaust gases and cooling them.  Purely conjecture on my part!  It ain't a Huey! 

Clear Left!

Mel

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