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Alley project WIP (Some pics of the finished box dio)

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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:36 PM

AMAZING as usual!!!

Always enjoy vespa boy updates! Big Smile [:D] I can't wait-

Any website or contact information with these 1/24 scale items? They look amazing. I thought it was strange to see you going outside the box (or inside in this caseTongue [:P]) and using pre-fab. materials but your modifications look really nice so far and I'm glad that you're doing this as a tribute to you're dio buddies. Are most of your dios in or around 1/24 scale? Always wondered. I really like the shadow box idea as well.

If you're going to completely seal it off from outside lighting, I think it would look amazing if you added some kind of "street light" bleeding in from the near by road into this dark alleyway- maybe an interior light on in the apt. across the alley or something?

But very very cool.

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:36 PM
What an interesting concept, viewing exclusively through the window. Your builds always fascinate me. I look forward to seeing the progression of this one. Thank you for posting it.

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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:42 PM
I was wondering vespa- will the viewing wall with the window on it look like the interior wall of the hotel room? I think that'd be really cool- some campy hotel wallpaper and poorly painted trim Tongue [:P]

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Posted by Wirraway on Friday, March 13, 2009 4:27 AM
Beautiful work on the fire escapes.

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Posted by camo junkie on Friday, March 13, 2009 4:42 AM
really nice Thumbs Up [tup]. love the details.
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Posted by subfixer on Friday, March 13, 2009 7:23 AM
You and your work truly amaze me, thanks for including us.

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, March 13, 2009 8:32 AM

Thanks for the kind words gentlemen. Its always good to get feedback on a work in progress.

PO'ed: You are right about having the areas around the window looking like a hotel with wall paper/pastel paint and a below window air conditioner. The bay window looks a little nice. I may go for something more boxy.

Also I don't know if any of the parts that I used are commercially available We all make and share bits and pieces. I'll ask and see what they say.

Lastly I work in 1/24 scale. It makes measuring easy 1'=1/2" or in a pinch 1mm=1")

PaintswithBrush: you sound very familiar. Have we crossed paths on another forum?

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Posted by russianfist on Friday, March 13, 2009 10:30 AM

I must say that the simplicity of your work has such a great quality.

The "less is more" approach is wonderful.

If I may ask, how did you get the tubes on the hand railing to bend without folding?

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Posted by psstoff995 on Friday, March 13, 2009 10:55 AM

Thanks for filling me in vespa- that's very cool can't wait to see this progress, maybe I'll pick up a hint or two- as for all you guys making and sharing parts- that's really cool- that PE turned out really really nice and the bricks look dead on- I like your additions of the stonework.

The scale choise makes sense to me!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, March 13, 2009 8:30 PM
Always liked your stuff....  Even if you do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time staring out of windows..Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:18 AM
 russianfist wrote:

If I may ask, how did you get the tubes on the hand railing to bend without folding?

The railings are brass wire, so I didn't have to worry about them folding (I used needle nosed pliers to form the corners). When I do all the piping on the side of the building it will be a concern. I have seen that micromark offers two options:1.  a small pipe bender 2. tightly wound springs into which you insert the tubing and then when the tubing is bent it apparently doesn't fold. I am going to buy both and see which works better

 

HVH It worked for Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window. I hope it will work for me!

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Posted by Stern0 on Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:18 AM
Awsome work VB....fire escapes and door are top notch...super realistic..can't wait for more!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by dpty_dawg_ca on Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:51 PM

Hi NK

Another great build you've git going. Your attention to detail is incredable. I'm looking forward to see this thing progress.

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Posted by jtrace214 on Friday, March 20, 2009 2:20 PM

Vespa, I have used the spring ones from Micro-Mark they work real good. I  used them on one of Revels chopper kits made a set of "ape hangers" with them outta alum. tubing Should work just as good with brass I assume.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM
Oh, wow...this could be my fav piece you've done...reminds me of all those tenament buildings we think of in the large cities, like New York, Philadelphia, Kharkov, etc...sublime...also a good WIP for all those folks who have questions about shadow-boxing...very cool...
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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:34 AM

   

   Vespa this is really cool. The fire escape is a piece of art all by itself.

   But that door! As soon as I saw it it brought back memories of when I was a kid living in the Village in NY. The door leading out on to our buildings roof looked just like it only it was painted red.

 

 

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Posted by starduster on Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:12 AM
 Truly outstanding work, do you by any chance photograph these views or is this all from memory ? the modeling on this board just amazes me, thanks for sharing this is one build I'm gonna watch.  Karl
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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, March 22, 2009 1:51 PM

Serno and Panzerguy thanks for the comments on the fire escape. PG glad to know it rings true to someone who has first hand experience with these doors. A friend lived in Chelsea (NYC) in the late 80s and had a door like this. The inside was like a submarine door, there was a circular handle in the centre which locked bars into place on all four sides!

Carl: Thanks. They are high compliments from  you. Your builds have a great respect for detail. Can't wait to see more of your current build as it evolves.

jtrace: Thanks for letting me know about the pipe benders. Good to know the simple solution works!

Manny: Thanks. I've not built a shadowbox dio before so I am working it out as I go. I have some true surface mirrors to add on one side and I am gooing to work out a hinged lid with glazing for the top.

Starduster: This is a composite build. Lots of details from lots of different places. I have started using photos to record details. I used to do it all from sketches and memory, but I bought a small digital camera and it allows me to record all kinds of details:

 

I've been making progress. I have built a second door and have almost finished two more platforms. Its tedious work, but necessary. More updates soon.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, March 23, 2009 10:24 AM

Narayan, it's been a while since I peeled over here in dio's, but I have to say that you never fail to impress, amaze, inspire. That brass door is just....well, I can't find the words for it!

Simply "Art", man!

I'll have to remember to look in more often! Blush [:I]

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Posted by Kolschey on Monday, March 23, 2009 3:25 PM

Great stuff! It is a serious pleasure to see your most recent project.

This is absolutely museum/gallery quality work. I strongly recommend that you see if you can find a venue for exhibition for all of the dioramas that you have shown. I believe you would be very well appreciated.

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Posted by detailfreak on Monday, March 23, 2009 4:44 PM
pretty awesome stuff there vespa,as far as railings and such,check out your local welding supply you might be able to use a brazing rod and avoid the kinking altogether. cant wait to see more.those rods come in all sorts of dia. just gotta dig for it.

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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:10 AM

Things in life have been busy, but I have managed a few hours at the bench. These are update (and crappy) photos, but they give an idea of how this is coming along. I have finished construction on the three landings, got them fitted into the wall and started weathering the bricks. All comments and thoughts welcome.

 

 

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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:47 PM

Wow!! I thought for a moment I was looking at ref shots until I saw the raw brass- I love the weathering job- especially on the concrete facing (I think that's what it is?) type work

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, May 25, 2009 1:56 AM

It will be a real shame to see all of that gorgeous brass gone to the scabrous sort of paint jobs they always seem to have.  Or even an honest rusting.

REally looking forward to the collections of tuving, elctrical conduit, plumbing connections, roof drains all snaked in through there.  Ought to be really fun with cable/telco/electical wiring in place, too.

Handy thing about the "viewport" window, most motels use "public domain" prints, so you should have no trouble finding an example ro put on the wall <g>

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:14 PM

 psstoff995 wrote:
I was wondering vespa- will the viewing wall with the window on it look like the interior wall of the hotel room? I think that'd be really cool- some campy hotel wallpaper and poorly painted trim Tongue [:P]

 

You could even make the wallpaper look faded and torn.

Great idea for a shadow box!

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Posted by razorboy on Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:35 PM

Nice Work!  Very impressive.

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 vespa boy wrote:

Last year I spent a lot of time travelling around the country giving lectures and staying in hotel rooms with the worst views...service alleys, electrical substations, brick walls etc. So I wanted to incorporate that experience into a box diorama so that the viewer would look out of a hotel window into a lane-way. A reversal of the usual box diorama where you are looking into an interior space.

 Because this was different from my other projects in that it wasn't a piece of ground, I thought I would also include components that fellow modellers and friends had made...a blank brick wall by Howard Hazelton, a photo etch fire escape by Ken Hamilton, an empty bottle by Virgil Suarez. Usually I scratch build everything, but I wanted to honour my diorama buddies with this build.

 

I did a rough layout to check the composition and the idea...A fire escape, lots of plumbing and electrical lines as well as a trash chute.

And then set about cutting up Howard's beatifully cast hydrocal walls and casting some bands of plaster  to fit the architecture I had in mind

 

Here is how the shadow box starts to take shape. There will just be a small window through which the viewer has to peer and see the lane outside. The front wall, which in this photo only comes half way up, will cover the entire face and the small window will be the only way to see the dio.

 Ken had some 1/24 scale fire escapes etched to his specs and kindly sent me a set. If you haven't read his book on dioramas, then you are missing out on something special.

And I set about detailing and modifying it

1. by making individual rafts and edging them

2. Assembling the rafts to make platforms

 3. And then adding railings and ladders. Its still not finished but it will give you an idea of where it is headed

 

And I made some doors to exit onto the fire escapes using brass sheet glued onto a plastic core

 

Its a long way from being finished. I'll update as the build progresses. All thoughts/comments are welcome. Thanks for looking.

 

 

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:21 PM

Stunning....absolutly stunning.

I am always impressed how you take simple scenes and turn them into works of art. You make many of us other modelers feel like just assemblers

Impressive

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Posted by vespa boy on Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:31 AM

Thanks for your feedback. I do appreciate it.

 

I've been messing around with the side wall...this will be at a right angle to the fire escapes. I've been trying to work out how to do ducting and this is the result of some experiments with take-out food containers. I'm getting there but not the final result. Its very much WIP.

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Posted by Brizio on Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:58 AM

WoW!!! Very nice build!!!

And under it you will park a 60s Vespa??? :)

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:50 PM

Oh my God, Narayan--I actually sat here, and just shook my head and had to laugh--you're like a modeling God, shrinking real items down to scale works of perfection! Really, just stupendous dedication to detail and fidelity.

I'm awed! (Like everyone else!)

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:38 PM
IMO, this is your most impressive piece of work so far...shadow boxes is the major leauge of dioramas--not many are done well...incredible work...the strengthening ribs on the duct-work is incredible...your work is sublime...
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Posted by Buddho on Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:30 PM
Whoa there Vespa....thought I was back in Brooklyn!

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Posted by psstoff995 on Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:43 AM
 vespa boy wrote:

I'm getting there but not the final result. Its very much WIP.

That's the craziest thing of all! If I had taken food containers and they wound up looking half as good as the duct work you came up with, I'd leave them be before I messed them up, yours look great- can't wait to see their final appearance. What else did you have to do to them? Perhaps mounting brackets to the brick?

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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:31 PM

Thanks for the feedback.

Brizio: I have a 1:1 1963 Vespa which I have had for 23 years now. No need to model one!

Doog: High praise indeed from you. I think God is in the details. When you scratchbuild, it really makes you look very hard at something and understand why it looks like it does.

Manny: Thanks v. much. I have wanted to build a box diorama since seeing the scale dinosaur ones in the Museum in Sydney when I was a kid. I think the trickiest part is going to be the lighting...will there be enough through glazing on the top, or will I need to supplement it with some LEDs. With fire escapes, the shadow on the wall is a big part of the effect. I'll have to wait until I am almost finished before I decide.

Thanks Stern0, redleg and razor. I am glad it works for you.

 PO: I need to get the corners a little neater. You can also see where I tried having a longer X in the lower two segments and pressed it flat again, but its still visible. I want to work on evening out the centre of the X in the ducting.  I do also have to add horizontal T beams around the joins and wall brackets. So you can see there is still a lot of work to do.

Captain Mac: rust and peeling paint are what I want on these. Its been fun working with brass, as it gives a lot of structural integrity to what could be delicate elements.

Jim Barton: I want to hotel room look a little used and stained  with pale pastel colours and water stains around the air conditioner, like you find in those chain hotel rooms.

 I'll post more as it comes along.

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:38 PM
 vespa boy wrote:

Thanks for your feedback. I do appreciate it.

 

I've been messing around with the side wall...this will be at a right angle to the fire escapes. I've been trying to work out how to do ducting and this is the result of some experiments with take-out food containers. I'm getting there but not the final result. Its very much WIP.

 

Mmmm, is that chow mein, cashew chicken and pork fried rice I smell?Big Smile [:D]

That definitely is a very convincing heating duct! Just some weathering is all that's needed.

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:23 PM
Just wondering how this was coming along.

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Posted by vespa boy on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:59 AM
Thanks for checking in Jim. I've been working on a community build with some friends, which has taken me off track (not to mention distractions in my 1:1 life). I've got a good head of steam up and there will be some more work in the next week or so. I'll post pics when I have some progress.

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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:15 PM

I finally found a bit of spare time to get back to the bench and make some progress on this project (and also got my computer back from the repair shop)

 

I painted each of the landings and made all the ladders (railings still to come). I am going to add some glass tile windows and piping to the right side of the wall to look like the outside of a bathroom

detail of the steps


I used rattle cans from the art supply store and the wet salt masking technique which gave some nice results

I got the ductwork all together with joins between each section

And when the two walls are placed together this gives an impression of what the dio will look like. I think it is starting to take shape.

Note that the weathering is in an early stage and certainly needs work. Its still very much a WIP. Thanks for looking

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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:13 PM
 vespa boy wrote:


I used rattle cans from the art supply store and the wet salt masking technique which gave some nice results

"some nice results" ? More like photo realism!! Bow [bow] Very well done- this could have been a ref. picture! Looking really nice, glad you got time to keep working on this one Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, August 28, 2009 2:23 PM

Some more pics

The fire door primed in rust colour awaiting some salt followed by black paint. and a DO NOT BLOCK sign.

 

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Posted by the doog on Friday, August 28, 2009 7:02 PM

Nice to see an update on this one, Narayan! Simply beautiful, as always!It looks like a Hollywood movie set!

WOnderful skill and textures once again! Hey did you see my post on the "haunted" penitentiary Eastern State Penn? Here's the link--I thought of you down there; some of the walls and floors, with all of the fascinating, rotting and peeling paint was something I could see you doing...

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, August 28, 2009 7:53 PM

Thanks PO and Karl for your very kind comments.  

Karl, I really think that texture is such an important part of what we see. A lot of the rust texture came from not following the directions on the spray can...holding it too far away so that the paint dries partially before hitting the surface, not pressing the nozzle firmly so that the paint splatters etc.

Thanks too for the haunted penitentiary link Nice photos . Very cool. Another building to watch out for is the asylum designed by Richardson in Buffalo NY. An amazing building in terrible condition.

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Posted by the doog on Friday, August 28, 2009 9:14 PM

Narayan, thanks for that reference on the Richardson place! WOW! That's not far from me--ROAD TRIP!!!!

I have to find out if it's opened! That's something that my girlfriend would just freak out to see!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 28, 2009 9:25 PM
About time you got back on this piece! What can I say, except for, briliant...As I recall, this is set in a shadow-box, correct?
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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, August 28, 2009 9:35 PM

It is not even complete but what you have brings back memories of growing up in Brooklyn. Absolutly stunning realism. The rust work is fantastic. I am in aweBow [bow]

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:00 PM
I can only echo what these guys are saying. Fantastic realism. Your model looks like it IS the reference photo. I'll be back to see more.  Great to have this SBS on this forum.Thank you

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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:25 PM

Karl: There are lots of great buildings in Buffalo, including some important Frank Lloyd Wright homes. Well worth a road trip. I was there in April and the Richardson asylum is closed and fenced off with chain link, but really amazing nonetheless. There are big holes in the walls and its a great chance to see how debris piles up and buildings degrade. I took a ton of pics.

Manny: Thanks mate. It will be a shadow box. When its finished you'll have to look at the alley through a scale hotel window, a bit like a peep-hole. The project has dragged on longer than I wanted, but you know, real life got in the way. Now I can get back to something I can control!

Redleg: Glad it reminds you of a real place. Thanks for the kind words.

Indy: Thanks too. Does SBS stand for shadow box scene?

I'll have some more updates soon.

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, September 4, 2009 2:03 PM

I decided I needed some glass tiles in the alley wall. An opaque WC window. I made some tiles starting with a mini ice-cube tray and polyester resin which gave me these blanks

I then sanded the blocks to the right thinness and used a milling machine to score parallel lines on the back

I then polished the surfaces again using diamond suspension (6 micron followed by 1 micron) to give the final product

 

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Posted by Stern0 on Friday, September 4, 2009 2:10 PM
Incredible work Vespa....more real than real...keep it comming!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, September 5, 2009 7:40 AM

Simply amazing.....just amazing

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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, September 5, 2009 9:39 AM

  Vespa beautiful work sir! The railings, ladders and ductwork are just amazing.

   The whole thing brings back memories of my early days living on Horatio Street in Greenwich Village.

  Now if we could just get you and WBill to add some figures.....Whistling [:-^]Wink [;)]

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Posted by vespa boy on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 2:38 PM
As a word of caution. If you don't properly clean off the salt used for masking, it can react with the copper in the brass and start forming green corrosion crystals called copper chloride, or "bronze disease" I'm dealing with it now!

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:19 PM
Looking good! Perhaps the glass block can be "dirtied" to make them look like they haven't been washed in years.

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, October 16, 2009 7:19 PM

I found some time to get back to the bench and get the next stage underway. I feel like I am over the hump and can see the end in sight with this one.

Firstly I found that the individual glass bricks were too tricky to line up into a glass wall, so I milled some perspex/plexiglas and sawed lines into it and cut a hole in the wall to install it. I need to tidy up the plaster (not my finest hour chiselling out the gap)  and add some caulk between the "tiles" but not too bad.


I also made a fan exhaust from some scrap plastic.

I had some fun with S-bends.  When they are painted I think that they will really look the part.


And lastly some small wiring details and painted doors (awaiting some weathering)

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Posted by subfixer on Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:21 PM

It is almost beyond praise.

One word of advice though: The electrical conduit is made of zinc (galvanized) and after a few days in the weather goes very dull. Yours is a bit too shiny unless it is brand new, and if it is, you might want to scatter some electrican's trade litter about.

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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:02 PM

Thanks for your comments Subfixer and Agentg.

 

Sub: Thanks for the tip about the oxidizing zinc. I will try to dull down the brightness with some grey washes.

 

More soon.

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Posted by Mic on Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:45 PM

This is simply immaculate modeling, Vespa. I was showing this thread off to my girlfriend last night, and she was speechless, except for the "Oh My God"s and "Holy *&^%"s that escaped after every few images. So, 4 thumbs up.

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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:54 AM

Mic: High praise indeed. Showing it to your girlfriend!!

 

I had a great day at the bench yesterday. After 7 hours (I work very slowly)  I had the ladders and platforms fully installed on the wall and only one plier slipping disaster. I need to touch up some spots, but the biggest hump on this project is over. Some quick snaps

 

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:18 AM
Such beautiful work. Thank you for sharing.
Regards, PWB.

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, November 13, 2009 10:00 AM

Thanks PWB. Much appreciated.

 I was worried that I had bitten off more than I could chew on this project, but I made it through. Its been a year on this one so far, but I want to get it done by Christmas so that I can get going on some new ideas.

Last night I installed the last little ladder, and started touching up the brass with a brush.

There is only one more tricky part left, which is joining the horizontal pipes on the right to a down-pipe...measure twice...and measure again before cutting, and then file carefully.

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, November 13, 2009 12:49 PM
This is too COOL! Thumbs Up [tup]  With the right light, you can easily fool anybody that the alley is real.  I hope you are planning to enter this to model contests... no question it will win many awards! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:53 AM

Like I have said before....fantastic work. Looking at the pictures, I fell like I am back in Brooklyn. Museum quality!!!

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Posted by Schnobs on Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:31 AM

Wow I think I have seen that view before!  Very very well done and something to feel very proud of!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:53 AM

The finest work I've seen from you so far, and the very first thing I saw from you in here made my jaw drop...masterful...Speaking of your work, how about a post with a pic or two of all of the work you have posted in here over the past couple of years for those that may be newbies and haven't had a chance to see...???

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:39 AM

Thanks guys. I appreicate your feedback. I still have a way to go on this one, but I'll keep on plodding until I reach the end!

 Manny: Rather than start another thread, anyone who is interested can use this link http://public.fotki.com/nkhandekar  to look at photos of my builds.

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:51 PM
 vespa boy wrote:

There is only one more tricky part left, which is joining the horizontal pipes on the right to a down-pipe...measure twice...and measure again before cutting, and then file carefully.

 

Makes me think of that old joke: "I've cut it three times and it's still too short!"Big Smile [:D]

Beautiful work! Now all you need in the windows is pictures of a bare-chested Robert Plant, an astronaut on the moon and an oversized cat's head and you've got a 3D replication of the Physical Graffiti album cover!Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:35 PM

Jim I have not thought of that Led Zeppelin album since high school. You are bang on. Thank you.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:46 PM
wait, wait wait, wait, are those pics at the end of page 3 your build, or are they reference shots?!

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Tuesday, January 5, 2010 2:05 PM

I've now finished the construction of the alley walls. There is still some paint and weathering to do. This update has the drain pipes completed on the RHS and LHS  and cable TV added, and a loose cable on the small side wall. I'll soon be able to screw the box sides together. I am now working on the front wall which is a hotel window which looks over the alley. The main components are in place and I'll have the rest of it done in a short time. As always any comments are welcome. Thanks for looking.


overall view

Detail showing the cable

The drains on the RHS painted and all glued together

Side wall with loose cable added

Hotel room being planned. You'll look through this window to see the alley. A room with a view.

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Posted by *INDY on Wednesday, January 6, 2010 12:54 PM

Great to se you back with an update of this. It's a stunner, by all accounts. I'd say no one does what you do, better than you. It's a  wonder everytime I look in. I have the feeling this is going to really need to be viewed in person when finished.though..I'm sure you'll post plenty of shots "through the looking glass"?

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Posted by fox on Wednesday, January 6, 2010 1:49 PM

OUTSTANDING work. Bow DownBow Down I was just looking at a couple of the pics and my wife (working on her computer next to me) said "Why are you looking at photos of old buildings?" When I told her what it was, she was amazed.

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Posted by Buddho on Wednesday, January 6, 2010 5:12 PM

Incredible workmanship Vespa !

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, January 8, 2010 9:20 AM

Thanks Jim Buddho and Indy. When I get praise from respected peers it means a lot. .

I am working on the logistics of getting a mirror in place and deciding which is better, a glass mirror or the "first surface" mirrors that oldhooker uses for his airliner in flight dios. I'm going to just have to try both and see what works. I also have to order some 1/700 scale PE steps to use as louvers for the room heater.

I want to get the two sides and bottom of the box together in the next week (the lid will have to be constructed by a cabinet maker, its beyond me to do neat woodwork). And then a visit to a fabric store for some "carpet" and "curtains". Finally its all falling together.

I'll post more updates as I make progress.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 8, 2010 9:31 AM

You continue to amaze me...are the fire-escape structures going to stay in dark paint, or are you going to weather them down?

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, January 8, 2010 1:03 PM

Thanks Mannie. I'm going to weather the fire escapes a little, add some streaking and a wash of a light dust colour to collect in the nooks and crannies. I also want to have a darker patch on one of the doors where a sign protected the paint before falling off.  I have noticed that fire escapes are usually in pretty good condition, which suggests to me that the penalties must be high if the fire code is not followed.

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:34 AM

Narayan, what you do is just SOOOO unbelievably prodigious, man--it truly is just heads and tails above anyone else's work with structures and materials in terms of absolute fidelity to replication.

Words fail me. It's just ....."real;"!

Honestly---and I mean this with 100% seriousness--you should be working in Hollywood, doing backgrounds, sets, scenic pieces, etc--the works! You deserve the "big money" for your talent.

Watch me find out now that you're actually a clerk at "Starbucks" or something now! I think I'd come out there and throw you in a potato sack and drive you to Hollywood myself! LOL!

Just sincerely FABULOUS WORK!!!! Bow Down

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:23 PM

What he said   ^^^^   This is just beyond phenomenal!  Fantastic job!

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, January 11, 2010 10:18 AM

Thanks Karl and DirkPitt.

Karl, I am humbled by that huge vote of confidence. I had never thought about the Hollywood angle, but my guess is that there are no big bucks for the model-makers...and its nice that you think I could fit in there, but those guys REALLY know what they are doing.

BTW I am not a clerk in Starbucks. If I were, it would be somewhere warm, like LA, not Boston!

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Posted by mm23t on Monday, January 11, 2010 1:27 PM

Vaspa, there are not enough words to describe your work. It's amazing!!Yes

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Posted by Jim Barton on Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:55 AM

Coming along beautifully!

I was thinking, when you go to look for "curtains" and "carpet," perhaps you might try a Goodwill or Salvation Army thrift store and look at the used clothing. You might find something that's faded or stained that you could cut up to replicate carpet and drapes that are aged and tired.

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, January 18, 2010 9:14 PM

That's a very good idea Jim. Thanks. Thanks for your kind words mm23t.

 

The side wall is now attached and the wall with the mirrors is almost ready for installation. Photos soon .

A friend sent me a baggie full of resin bottles (brown green and clear) and I wanted to include one sitting either in the drains of on the landings...a little glass monument to a drunken moment. The castings were more beer bottle shaped, so I set to work getting them to look like a scale wine bottle. This was my first go. The original is on the left and on the right is the bottle I ended up with after I spent a little while whittling. I've made a couple more since and I am getting close to what I want. A Chateau Lafite label is my next bit of research...

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:36 AM

Here are some more update photos. I have the two side walls in place now:on the left is the duct work and on the right is the mirror. It is now much more claustrophobic, which is going to be a good think in the end.

Overall:


A bottle of Chateau Lafite abandoned on the landing...this is not the final bottle, just a trial so see how it would look. Its not quite there yet.


A view of the mirror interface, which has worked better than I expected. The mirrir is a little hazy but will work in context. The vertical drain is raised a little off the wall and hides the join nicely.

I also had to join the mirror mid-way so I hid the join the a half-round rod painted to it looks like a wall reinforcement

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:39 AM

Some more detail shots

This looks like light reflecting off a nearby window


A low angle shot

The fire escape door

More in my fotki account

Time to get the box sealed up....stay tuned.

 

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Posted by oldhooker on Friday, January 22, 2010 4:43 PM

Hi Narayan,

    Looking at the scene you are creating, one can literally feel the breeze whipping between the buildings and detect that back-alley smell; absolutely beautiful work!!  Bow Down

     The hazy reflection gives the scene its realistic deph of field.....

.... which is one of the qualities that make the mirrors so well suited for modeling, regardless of the subject.       Any half object against the mirror further aides in fooling the viewer.

    Outstanding work, as usual, and will continue watching with interest!     Thanks!

Take care,  Smile

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Posted by vespa boy on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:49 AM

Thanks Frank. You are right about the mirrors giving a sense of depth. It really works well. I would never have known about the mirrors if it hadn't been for your amazing in flight airliner dios. I can't wait to see your 747 project take off.

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:57 PM

~Most impressive Narayan! It's quite increadable really. Gives one the feeling of being there, and as stated, somehow there' s enough atmosphere that a chilly breeze even seems included. Don't take this the wrong way but, It's one figure away from being the finest Batman Diorama ever seen. Batman I say? Well, that would add interest  Stick out tongue

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:14 PM

It gets better every time you post... even tho it was already great many posts ago.  This has to be published in the FSM!  Hope you are keeping documents of your work.  They are always looking for something different and new to be published...

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Posted by oldhooker on Monday, January 25, 2010 2:01 AM

That's a great idea about submitting an article, Narayan! Yes

They are always looking for something different and new to be published...

Yes, that's what I thought also, Andy; I submitted an article using the mirrors back in October '08 which was enthusiastically accepted, but has been on indefinite hold ever since...?   Huh?     

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:24 AM

*INDY

It's one figure away from being the finest Batman Diorama ever seen. Batman

 

Indy: Funny you should say that. I was watching the most recent Batman movie and I think it was filmed in Chicago as the fire-escapes are almost identical to the ones I photographed in the Windy City and used as a reference for this diorama. I am afraid that it may be a VERY VERY long time before I include a figure in any of my dios. They are something that just don't interest me.

DP and Frank the idea of an article is a good one, thanks for suggesting it. I am seriously thinking about that as a possibility.

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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, January 25, 2010 11:34 AM

Hi Vespa Boy,

First of all I want you to know I think you are a fantastic modeler and have attention to detail skills that are very impressive.

I do though think you are not well served with your attitude toward figures.  It is just my opinion of course but I do not believe it is possible to fully tell a story without them it is like handing a book written in Braille to a sighted person that happens to be able to "read" braille.  He might be able to struggle through it but I think it would be quite difficult to get the full intent of the author.  To be honest I glanced at this once but because there was no reference for me I nodded my head and clicked on.  I only came back because people I respect told me to take another look.  I am like that with vehicles as well.  The majority of the people on the forum are very skilled and I can only look at so many tanks before it's just a blur of images, but put a figure there doing something and I pause and try to figure out the reference.  I believe figures add scale and impact and with your skills you could be a real force with figures it would complete your "Tapestry of Detail"!  As it is it will be an unfinished Novel!

Again my friend just my impressions and comments to another artist please take them in the spirit that they are offered to comment you on your fine work and to provide encouragement for you to stretch yourself a little.

If I came across as a pompous Back end of a Mule I sincerely apologize! 

Your Art is Spectacular and it is your Art after all!

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, January 25, 2010 1:10 PM

Hi Schnobs,

Thanks for your thoughts about figures. I agree that figures are useful for a diorama that has a narrative at its core. And I do understand that most people want and need figures for a diorama to work for them.

What I have been doing is making a record  of things that I see as I travel around...Some people do drawings of a place, I have been making 3d models/scenes. , I use the diorama forum as I think it is the nearest to what I do even though the general concensus is that they are not dioramas.

For example, I looked at fire-escapes in Chicago for weeks and never saw anyone on them, so I am modliing something in its natural state as I experienced it. We all know they are built to save lives, and they often get used for other purposes, especially in Summer. It would be much more exciting to see a bunch of people marching down the stairs, but the day to day reality is that they don't get used (and that is a good thing...we don't want building burning down all the time). The other thing is that its boring being in your hotel room looking out the window, and I wanted to convey that feeling as well.

But also it reflects my own personal interest. Even though I like all kinds of art, I end up looking at abstract art and find it much more intesting than figurative painting on a personal level (and there are of course exceptions to that).

I didn't take your thoughts as as the pompous thoughts of an @$$'s @$$!!! I appreciate them and thanks for sharing.

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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, January 25, 2010 2:44 PM

Excellent and thank you you for the well thought out response I appreciate it my friend.  I am glad my comments were well received.

I completely understand and appreciate artistic preferences.  I had the opportunity to see a Jackson Pollock painting in the museum and felt like I could do better with ten minutes and a $2.00 watercolor set but that's me I come from the Midwest originally and art is a Duck Stamp!  If it does not look like something it isn't art. Again just my opinion and i am learning every day since I got into this Hobby to appreciate the differences and nuances of art.  I have a long way to go!

If that was my piece I would put a 1960's era CIA sniper in his best black suit white shirt with black string tie with a 250 Remington Bolt action rifle and a 10x Scope.on one of the landings and name the Dio "The Grassy Knoll" or hang spider man upside down off one of the landings.  Again just me.

You are a wonderful artist and it has been great sharing comments with you!  Keep it up!

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, January 25, 2010 4:00 PM

Schnobs

 I had the opportunity to see a Jackson Pollock painting in the museum and felt like I could do better with ten minutes and a $2.00 watercolor set but that's me

I understand where you are coming from Schnobs and I really get it. It sounds like you are out to grab the viewers attention, and if you can do it that is a really good thing for your dioramas. I want to draw your attention to the little things you never stop to notice, and when there is no action to disract you, that is exactly what you are left with.  I also know that "art" is a tricky thing to get your head around. One word of advice about Jackson Pollock, or Mark Rothko or Barnet Newman, or Agnes Martin or any other non figurative artist...it may look simple, but its not. Its the extremely high skill level of the artist that deceives you into thinking that it is easy.

 

Its good discussing this stuff with you. Thanks

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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, January 25, 2010 4:11 PM

Yes you are absolutely correct.  During that same museum experience I found some bottles on  the stairs and like a good Midwesterner i threw them away which horrified the museum staff because apparently it was a Artistic Representation of Bottles on the Stairs!  Big Smile

I also think Andy Warhol is a hack but as you say I am trying to learn the nuances.  My friend Adam is an artist and I like him so I guess I am half way there!  Big Smile

Keep doing what you are doing it's fantastic and it looks like a building and that makes sense to me!!

Big Smile

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 25, 2010 5:02 PM

First....you continue to do museum quality work.  Simply stunning!!

As far as the figure discussion, I think figures would detract from this dio. The story is in the starkness of the alley.  Maybe some paper garbage that ha blown into the corner near the vent....the bottles are great.....the inanimate objects are great......if anything.....maybe a cat!!

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:16 AM

[quote user="redleg12"]

"First....you continue to do museum quality work.  Simply stunning!!"   <----- This is quite true , I agree

"As far as the figure discussion, I think figures would detract from this dio"

.I've never heard of figures "detracting from a Dio", unless they are poorly done, or ill-chosen to do the job of telling said story.  I supose if one didn't possess the skills to populate a scene well, then it may be a mistake to try to do so, or require that person to enter a new skill-building phase.

 "The story is in the starkness of the alley. "

In this case there really isn't a "story" per se---the story is a lack of a story---as Narayan explained the final outcome of this will be  to convey how boring it is looking out a typical hotel window.  {To spend the time studying a scene like this through the eyes of the artist is what this scene is.}    Narayan and I have discussed before  that what is "backround" to other scene builders is" subject" to him, particularly when carried to his level of detail. <----This I have to accept, and be grateful I have recieved any explaination at all, as most art doesn't afford us this oppertunity.

I made the suggestion of the Dark Knight figure, and appearently I touched on a connection the artist had made himself --- "Bingo"  ---I could have just as well said"Spiderman", but I like Edmund's idea of the lone gunman even better-----of course all these ideas are entirely second-hand. Ed nor I had thought up this project in the 1st place and so can't have as clear an idea what it's really meant to be as it's maker. This is quite often the case with artworks, that we never really surmise what it is the artist is expressing, we only know that there is something to it, even in the case of an art-fraud, which are as subjective as accepted art pieces often enough.    

Are Narayan's work's Dioramas? Not by the criteria givin in judging model contests. This is an entirely unimportaint distinction however---the reality of the scene is undeniable,the artist's devotion to his pursuit readily appearent, and the fact that we spend this sort of time considering these quesions may only add to the mystery of it's origins~~~~~~~~

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:37 AM

[quote user="*INDY"]

redleg12

"First....you continue to do museum quality work.  Simply stunning!!"   <----- This is quite true , I agree

"As far as the figure discussion, I think figures would detract from this dio"

.I've never heard of figures "detracting from a Dio", unless they are poorly done, or ill-chosen to do the job of telling said story.  I supose if one didn't possess the skills to populate a scene well, then it may be a mistake to try to do so, or require that person to enter a new skill-building phase.

 "The story is in the starkness of the alley. "

In this case there really isn't a "story" per se---the story is a lack of a story---as Narayan explained the final outcome of this will be  to convey how boring it is looking out a typical hotel window.  {To spend the time studying a scene like this through the eyes of the artist is what this scene is.}    Narayan and I have discussed before  that what is "backround" to other scene builders is" subject" to him, particularly when carried to his level of detail. <----This I have to accept, and be grateful I have recieved any explaination at all, as most art doesn't afford us this oppertunity.

I made the suggestion of the Dark Knight figure, and appearently I touched on a connection the artist had made himself --- "Bingo"  ---I could have just as well said"Spiderman", but I like Edmund's idea of the lone gunman even better-----of course all these ideas are entirely second-hand. Ed nor I had thought up this project in the 1st place and so can't have as clear an idea what it's really meant to be as it's maker. This is quite often the case with artworks, that we never really surmise what it is the artist is expressing, we only know that there is something to it, even in the case of an art-fraud, which are as subjective as accepted art pieces often enough.    

Are Narayan's work's Dioramas? Not by the criteria givin in judging model contests. This is an entirely unimportaint distinction however---the reality of the scene is undeniable,the artist's devotion to his pursuit readily appearent, and the fact that we spend this sort of time considering these quesions may only add to the mystery of it's origins~~~~~~~~

You go into great detail breaking each sentence apart to discuss the art. Art is opinion....everyones will be different based on their perspective and experiences, I gave mine.

 I grew up in NYC and saw many an alley like this one....it touched an experience

The idea of the figure....it is like sitting on a deserted beach watching the waves....if someone suddenly enters the picture it detracts from the experience.....

The story......there is the story each of us want to make based on our experience....

Diorama.....who really cares what judges think. If you build for judges you are not a modeler or artist, you are an assembler and trophy hound. You cannot use the "judging" criteria for a diorama in this case. What has been created is a fantastic landscape.

Lastly.....do I understand an artist......well my daughter is one.....everyone of us who build models are trying to be one..somewhat..... but Narayan is truly an artist beyound reproach!!

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:14 AM

[quote user="redleg12"]

*INDY:

redleg12

"First....you continue to do museum quality work.  Simply stunning!!"   <----- This is quite true , I agree

"As far as the figure discussion, I think figures would detract from this dio"

.I've never heard of figures "detracting from a Dio", unless they are poorly done, or ill-chosen to do the job of telling said story.  I supose if one didn't possess the skills to populate a scene well, then it may be a mistake to try to do so, or require that person to enter a new skill-building phase.

 "The story is in the starkness of the alley. "

In this case there really isn't a "story" per se---the story is a lack of a story---as Narayan explained the final outcome of this will be  to convey how boring it is looking out a typical hotel window.  {To spend the time studying a scene like this through the eyes of the artist is what this scene is.}    Narayan and I have discussed before  that what is "backround" to other scene builders is" subject" to him, particularly when carried to his level of detail. <----This I have to accept, and be grateful I have recieved any explaination at all, as most art doesn't afford us this oppertunity.

I made the suggestion of the Dark Knight figure, and appearently I touched on a connection the artist had made himself --- "Bingo"  ---I could have just as well said"Spiderman", but I like Edmund's idea of the lone gunman even better-----of course all these ideas are entirely second-hand. Ed nor I had thought up this project in the 1st place and so can't have as clear an idea what it's really meant to be as it's maker. This is quite often the case with artworks, that we never really surmise what it is the artist is expressing, we only know that there is something to it, even in the case of an art-fraud, which are as subjective as accepted art pieces often enough.    

Are Narayan's work's Dioramas? Not by the criteria givin in judging model contests. This is an entirely unimportaint distinction however---the reality of the scene is undeniable,the artist's devotion to his pursuit readily appearent, and the fact that we spend this sort of time considering these quesions may only add to the mystery of it's origins~~~~~~~~

 

You go into great detail breaking each sentence apart to discuss the art. Art is opinion....everyones will be different based on their perspective and experiences, I gave mine.

 I grew up in NYC and saw many an alley like this one....it touched an experience

The idea of the figure....it is like sitting on a deserted beach watching the waves....if someone suddenly enters the picture it detracts from the experience.....

The story......there is the story each of us want to make based on our experience....

Diorama.....who really cares what judges think. If you build for judges you are not a modeler or artist, you are an assembler and trophy hound. You cannot use the "judging" criteria for a diorama in this case. What has been created is a fantastic landscape.

Lastly.....do I understand an artist......well my daughter is one.....everyone of us who build models are trying to be one..somewhat..... but Narayan is truly an artist beyound reproach!!

Rounds COmplete!!

A bit of a of a dissapointing response Mike....you  we're a little  hit and miss with the points, and seem to have mis-read the real spirit of my post a number of ways---obviously everyone has an opinion, and that's yours.            Art however, is NOT an opinion, Art is an expression, shared through a medium. My definition.   I challenge anybody to offer a better one. What is an opinion, is what a given art piece says to them, what it's value may be, how well the artist met his or her goals, and plenty of other subjective responses related to the work.

I stated that I get Narayan's work,  it's about his experience,   you don't need to relate your life story to give it relevance.

Obviously Mike, I broke  the 1st part of your post apart to speak to each point. This was for clear communication. If it bothers you, I can do things a different way.(There was the 1st statement that I completely agreed with!)

 Something unsaid but sermisable from my post was that by popular definition, like the criteria of contest judges,Dioramas contain figures.------- You don't do figures.Mike, you don't do dioramas. ---You build  artillery pieces with footprints on them and no crew in sight.  If that's what you want to do, fine. I could make the same suggestion to you on your post that your build would be far better with well-done figures, and in my opinion it would.  I don't bother however, because I see you have come this far as a proficient modeler without doing figures, and it's likely unacceptable for you to go back to 'square one' to learn figure painting. I'ts better to claim they don't interest you.          

As far as your statement - Quote:

"Diorama.....who really cares what judges think. If you build for judges you are not a modeler or artist, you are an assembler and trophy hound. You cannot use the "judging" criteria for a diorama in this case. What has been created is a fantastic landscape"

I don't know how that could be in response to what I said, if you understood my post. It's definately not me . I pretty much said that, so I guess you agree that much. As for the artwork in question being a "landscape", there's no land in sight. It's more a cityscape, though so special it deserves it's oun catagory or none at all. 

Mike, you are very good at what you do, as Narayan is great at what he does. I do respect you, I want you to know that, I think the subject of figures touches a nerve though,  and I want you take my commments in the spirit intended, it wasn't my idea to "reproach" anyone.

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:52 AM

Indy

I think we are both in the same book but in different chapters both misunderstanding each other. I am not at all attacking the figure idea. IMO.....I do not think the dio needs figures....for me it speaks for itself.....again that is my opinion on s s *report me* fantastic dio.

Yes, I do not do figures.....one because most figures are infantry figures and do not properly show artillerymen. There are very few and I have chosen to leave them out. I also know my limitations....I generally inhale at figures and they become s s *report me* burdon more than fun to make. I some instances I will use them, but generally no.

Landscape....Cityscape.....fine, we are getting into correct terminology.

Lastly as far as the spirt....yes I understand the spirt and don't take this as an argument. No, I am not s s *report me* dio builder but appreciate s s *report me* good build. Many dio builders look at what I do and try to lean me in the direction of s s *report me* dio and figures. Not my thing....dio people concentrate on the scene and generall convey s s *report me* message. I am more of s s *report me* replica builder who uses "crude" dio items to enhance the model or with emplaced artillery, show all the required parts.

Everyone has s s *report me* different approach, just models no base, stained base, s s *report me* base to match the model environment, add figures or dios. I think everyone on the forum knows my background and can figure out why I do what I do.

My response was just to s s *report me* fantastic build which touched me and I expressed my opinion. Since I appear to touch s s *report me* nerve, I will leave this one alone.

Narayan - Sorry to hijack this thread. You are still tops in my book....outstanding work

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:01 AM

The work is simply sublime...

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:18 PM

I think it's perfect without figures--it evokes a sense of loneliness, or as somebody put it, "starkness."

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, January 29, 2010 11:50 AM

Thanks everyone for all this invigourating discussion. It is amazing how strong the feelings are with dioramas. I have enjoyed reading all these comments.

What I do like is that opportunity to posy my builds here and get feedback and have sensible and civil discussions about various issues.

I should have made another quantum leap next week and will have more pics to share.

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Posted by vespa boy on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:24 PM

A quick update:

a small added detail...a plastic bag caught on a railing.. I couldn't get that plastic bag from American Beauty out of my head...


Here is the box dio with the front wall in place and the initial shape of a hotel room wall/window:

And a close up through the window

Some details on the hotel wall taking shape...a boxed in radiator under the window and the vertical connector closets on either side

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, February 22, 2010 6:40 AM

Here are some details I made this weekend for the hotel room "portal"

A radiator from strip styrene, copper tubing, aluminium tubing and wine bottle foil:


A radiator cover from a take-out container, styrene strip to make a frame and etched brass mesh. There is a little door on the top to give access to the radiator adjustment knob, which doesn't line up...just like the real thing!

And a test fit in place:

 

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Posted by oldhooker on Monday, February 22, 2010 2:19 PM

Beautiful work indeed, Narayan; true to scale and impossible to visually discern from the real things! Bow Down

This gets more interesting as we go!

Take care my friend,

Frank

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:28 AM

I love your alley and want to mug someone in it....

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, March 3, 2010 12:33 PM

Add a few minor dings and dents to the radiator and it would be easy to imagine it banging and clattering away so it ruins a good-night's sleep! We've all stayed in motel and hotel rooms with noisy radiators, dripping faucets, leaky toilets and so forth.Smile

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Posted by vespa boy on Saturday, April 3, 2010 8:00 PM

A quick update. I have more or less finished the hotel room window through which the viewer looks into the alley.

Here is an overall view of the window. The idea is that there is a venetian blind fully pulled up and on the right is the wand that adjusts the angle of the louvres....a cheap replacement for proper curtains

And when I hold it in place, this is the kind of view you get. I haven't made the final assenbly but it should give a sense of what to expect. It's good for me to see that there is enough light that comes from above to light the scene, which was something I was a little worried about, but apparently for no reson.

 

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Posted by Bodge on Sunday, April 4, 2010 5:43 PM

Sorry i havnt been over here on dio,s for ages, just saw this and WOW, AMAZING work, Looks real. Are you gonna add any life form to this? A black cat at least?

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, April 5, 2010 12:22 AM

YesOutstanding Narayan

Only thing I ding you on points is taking For-Ev-er between updatesStick out tongue

but the thing is   




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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, April 5, 2010 12:31 PM

Thanks Bodge and Indy.

Bodge: I am afraid that there are no figures planned for this one. There is a plastic bag caught in the railing and an empty bottle, so there is evidence of life. Its kinda based on my experiences looking out of hotel rooms into alleys and I really didn't see any activity....its a crappy view from a crappy hotel!

Adam, I would update more often if I had more time...there are all the real life distractions that take you away from the bench, like your job and your family and the "honey do..." list!

I really have final assembly and then its done, but I don't want to rush it. SHould be finished this month if the stars align.

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Posted by Jim Barton on Monday, April 5, 2010 5:18 PM

You could try modeling a cat--a scrawny, flea-bitten mangy one and test-fit it to see if you like it, but I like the diorama with no figures at all; not even a cat. It evokes a sense of loneliness and abandonment.

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, April 5, 2010 6:51 PM

vespa boy

Thanks Bodge and Indy.

Bodge: ~AND JIM   I am afraid that there are no figures planned for this one. There is a plastic bag caught in the railing and an empty bottle, so there is evidence of life. Its kinda based on my experiences looking out of hotel rooms into alleys and I really didn't see any activity....its a crappy view from a crappy hotel!

~Don't you wish everyone would read through your whole awsome thread and not ask the same things over and over? _LOL_

Adam, I would update more often if I had more time...there are all the real life distractions that take you away from the bench, like your job and your family and the "honey do..." list!

~You ain't just whistle'n Dixie my friend! Six months on my W.I.P. I can relate!!

I really have final assembly and then its done, but I don't want to rush it. SHould be finished this month if the stars align.  I'm looking forward to completion----whenever it happens Narayan.

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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, April 8, 2010 3:25 PM

I did make some progress this week.

The box is all together now and the "window wall" is in place. Its all a little trickier than you think getting everything to line up and be square and flush. All that's left to do is to make the lid...4 sides with a piece of Plexiglas held in with a rebate.

I'll post pics when its all done.

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:57 AM

Narayan, forgive my tardiness in checking in again on this wonderful, amazing project of yours--this is simply stunning once again! You have a knack for details that I envy and admire. The smallest things do not go unnoticed by our eyes!

FABULOUS!

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Posted by dpty_dawg_ca on Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:41 PM

Hi N

An absolute master piece as always. But we have come to expext nothing less from youBow Down

When you look at it in person do you get a sence of vertigo when you look out the window and fown at the alley? It looks do real in your pictures that I would be suprised if you did.

 

Carl

 

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:32 PM

Thanks Karl and Carl for the kind words. Kudos from both of you means a lot. Very appreciated.

Karl: I really love the tiny details that bring out the real nature of something, The stuff you don't remember but notice when its not there.

Carl: You are saved from vertigo by your peripheral vision. If there were some way of blocking it, like a velvet drape over your head like photographers use to use with bellows cameras, then you would definitely be reaching for something to steady yourself!

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Posted by vespa boy on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:29 AM

Just some more photos of the final model

The is another view through the window. To get the look of a framed pane I had to add framing and a black seal on both sides of the clear plastic. It seemed to work well as an effect.

A detail of the window sill which has a stain from a coffee cup and a small burn from a cigarette. I added the pull cords for the venetian blind from stretched sprue

And one more detail shot

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:33 PM

Beautiful!YesYes

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:41 PM

I love your alley and want to mug someone in it...

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Posted by *INDY on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:58 PM

~Extraordinary Realism Narayan!!

Just [ the finest kind of] work   --Congrads on it's completion !

Drinks

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Posted by Robh22 on Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:37 PM

Holy crap! That is AMAZING! It seems every picture I see on this web site is just incredible. Wow... have you folks like won a butt load of awards or contests?

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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:37 PM

Thanks  for you comments Indy, Manny and Jim. I'm glad that the saga is over.

Manny, nothing happens in this alley, not even a mugging...maybe a plastic bag blowing around but that's it. Don't let me stop you though, if you want to mug someone, you may just have to find a different alley!

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, May 14, 2010 9:34 AM

I don't know what to say... great piece and it belongs to a museum.  I'd blow up the best picture of your work and turn it into a wall... that will fool friends easily that the view was real.  No question about it... looking forward to more work from you as I have been following your current work.

Andy

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Posted by Stern0 on Friday, May 14, 2010 11:56 AM

Outstanding work Vespa...hav'nt looked in on this in a while...SUPER Realistic..FANTASTIC JOB!!!!!!!Toast

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Posted by Kolschey on Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:54 AM

Truly remarkable. Another outstanding build! Yes

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:01 PM

I'm spokeless... I truly wish I had your eye for detail...  While I CAN see "miniature" in everyday objects lying about (which, IMHO,  is a "must-have" for a diorama-builder that's as cheap as I am, lol) and that allows me to find materials for dioramas in the damnedest places, but you truly have "THE EYE", VB...  Gizmologist extrodinare, as it were...  You detail areas that I would overlook every time..

If I didn't know it was a diorama, I'd swear it was a photo... Hopefully, someday,  I'll reach that level... Your work here is truly Awesome, above and beyond Outstanding....

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, May 17, 2010 11:15 AM

Thanks RobH22. I haven't entered a competition since the mid 1980s....I just like building and build to please myself.

Thanks too Deafpanzer/Andy and SternO. I appreciate your comments. Kolschey thank you for your comment and coming from an artist I know it means a lot.

HVH, thank you too. This is very high priase coming from someone as particular as yourself. The gizmology part is an almost full time preoccupation during a build. The biggest help is having a digital camera. Anything that looks wrong, looks doubly wrong in a pic...and with digital pictures you get that feedback almost immediately.

This was a labour of love and I'm back to my usual programming...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 17, 2010 8:09 PM

The biggest help is having a digital camera. Anything that looks wrong, looks doubly wrong in a pic...and with digital pictures you get that feedback almost immediately.

Oh man, I agree.. What I wouldn't have given to have that capability 30 years ago...

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Posted by psstoff995 on Monday, May 17, 2010 11:57 PM

Love the final product, it really does look like some of the cheap motels I've stayed in- although none have had such an intriguing view as an inner city style fire escape.

As far as digital photography I agree. It's great to use as a tool to really get a nice, up close view.

Only problem is like you say, if it's off a little bit- that photo will really bring that out. You think you've finished a project only to have a photo taken that's so "close up" the model looks bigger than you- then you can really be in for some ugly surprises.

Taking close ups as you build helps for sure- one thing I've started doing is taking harsh, flash photographs. The way I see it, if the model looks ok under such harsh lighting, natural lighting can only improve the look from there.

Anyway I'm really looking forward to your next project! Nice work on the coffee stain and the cigarette burns. Wouldn't have been right without it, I wouldn't have noticed, but it just wouldn't have been right lol

-Chris

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Posted by oldhooker on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:53 AM

Narayan,

      It is as if the images are the interpretation of the Mental Picture you carry... much like what you see in a recurring dream.     A scene you can't really explain so you give us a look into your recurring dream; thank you for that!

     Great execution and presentation!  Bow Down

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Posted by rtfoe on Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:14 AM

Narayan,

The completed build is just fantastic and so real. Great detail. I particularly like the scaffolding and the brick work. Am glued to your other WIP.

Cheers,

Richard

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