DITCY Part 2 *update 9-19*

I'm sure you have some good reference photos of BARs already. But if not...

Hans von Hammer wrote:

As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... Manny, my initial comment about the sling ws in response to Camo Junkie's comment about sling placement, where he said that he thought the sling was placed too far back on one of the rifles.. I just pointed out that the M1 sling could be placed in either swivel and that yours were ok... Didn't mean to come off like I wanted to start liftin' hind legs...  When it comes to slings, soldier preference is the measure... The only time sling placement is an issue is during parades and formations where uniformity is an issue..  Myself, I top-slung my M-16 in the field the entire time I was in the Army.  I looped the sling around the butt just behind the charging handle and the front end around the handguard ring, kinda like this: I did so because my weapon would be muzzle-down at sling arms, and I also didn't have to sling it across my back in order to use both hands, and it wouldn't slide down my arm either.. Top-slung, I could quickly raise it into firing postion sling arms as well... Hope this clears up any misunderstanding..

As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling...

Manny, my initial comment about the sling ws in response to Camo Junkie's comment about sling placement, where he said that he thought the sling was placed too far back on one of the rifles.. I just pointed out that the M1 sling could be placed in either swivel and that yours were ok... Didn't mean to come off like I wanted to start liftin' hind legs... 

When it comes to slings, soldier preference is the measure... The only time sling placement is an issue is during parades and formations where uniformity is an issue..  Myself, I top-slung my M-16 in the field the entire time I was in the Army.  I looped the sling around the butt just behind the charging handle and the front end around the handguard ring, kinda like this:

I did so because my weapon would be muzzle-down at sling arms, and I also didn't have to sling it across my back in order to use both hands, and it wouldn't slide down my arm either.. Top-slung, I could quickly raise it into firing postion sling arms as well...

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding..

calvin_ng wrote:

OH im sorry MR didnt mean to start a fight, now i see it. I guess tamiyas intstructions are to blame LOL.

Well, I'm not sure anyone is to blame...But I should have shaved the part down a bit once I compared it to the DML illustrations...the part provided is much "fatter" than what is depicted...I'll get it looking right before its done...thanks for pointing it out...

Stern0 wrote:

MR, Can't wait to see your "bullets" in action......something I have tossed around for years...My first post on this forum was "suspended action".....traveling bullets hitting tombstones was what I was looking for....never found a convincing way....always looked a little hokey...looking very forward to yours... I saw where you seemed to get a little testy about how close you shoot your pics from to capture your detail...I could not find the provacation for it...were you challenged in some way? I always though your figs had that little something extra (drilling sleaves..ect.) These are no exception...I do know that I get close pics of mine and I know they are crappy!

Testy? Me? LOL...hah, just trying to make the point that if looking at the BAR w/o the benefit of extreme close-up, it looks fine...I think I'll look inyo cutting that part down a bit if I can do it w/o breaking the whole front-end off...thanks for looking in---things should start happening faster now...still trying to settle on the building I'm gonna use...

MR, Can't wait to see your "bullets" in action......something I have tossed around for years...My first post on this forum was "suspended action".....traveling bullets hitting tombstones was what I was looking for....never found a convincing way....always looked a little hokey...looking very forward to yours...

I saw where you seemed to get a little testy about how close you shoot your pics from to capture your detail...I could not find the provacation for it...were you challenged in some way? I always though your figs had that little something extra (drilling sleaves..ect.) These are no exception...I do know that I get close pics of mine and I know they are crappy! 

bbrowniii wrote:

And as camo junkie said - it isn't a deal breaker.  Most folks probably would never notice (I actually didn't until camo junkie pointed it out (HA, this is all HIS FAULT!! ).

this is what i get for asking a question! let the record state...my ignorance will be my undoing!

bbrowniii wrote:

Manny While I don't have any US figure sets (specifically) I do have the BoB Sherman with the 'bonus' figs.  I just ran down to my basement and pulled those out.  On the 'extra' BAR in that set, it is pretty clear the bipod mounts under the muzzel of the BAR.  There is a very distinct 'notch' for the barrel to sit in.  I don't see the same notch on your bipod, but.... And as camo junkie said - it isn't a deal breaker.  Most folks probably would never notice (I actually didn't until camo junkie pointed it out (HA, this is all HIS FAULT!! ).  Since you have the darn thing in your possession and you can see what seems to make the most sense, ultimately it is your call as to what to do with it.  Your dio will still be awesome, I am sure...

Manny

While I don't have any US figure sets (specifically) I do have the BoB Sherman with the 'bonus' figs.  I just ran down to my basement and pulled those out.  On the 'extra' BAR in that set, it is pretty clear the bipod mounts under the muzzel of the BAR.  There is a very distinct 'notch' for the barrel to sit in.  I don't see the same notch on your bipod, but....

And as camo junkie said - it isn't a deal breaker.  Most folks probably would never notice (I actually didn't until camo junkie pointed it out (HA, this is all HIS FAULT!! ).  Since you have the darn thing in your possession and you can see what seems to make the most sense, ultimately it is your call as to what to do with it.  Your dio will still be awesome, I am sure...

Mansteins revenge wrote:

I think that maybe that big blob that looks like it is obstructing the sight, IS the sight...maybe it needs drilled out?

Definately a possibility - I don't have that figgie set, so I couldn't tell ya, but if there is no front site 'molded' onto the top of the BAR, perhaps.

Another possibility is, as I look at the pic of the guy with the BAR, it looks like there is a slight half moon depression on the top of the bipod.  Is it possible that they have molded the top half of the bipod mount onto the BAR already, and the bipod legs mount underneath to 'complete the circle' as it were?  Like I said, I don't have this figure set, so I have no idea what the instuctions indicate...

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote:  bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...  EDIT: Check where the slings are from this Volstad boxart:

Manny

I don't know about Hans, but I am not arguing with your sling placement - it's fine.  I was just commenting that the thing in front is a swivel. 

I mean, if you want to have a debate over nomenclature, technically, the M1 Garand does not have a 'sling swivel'... but I don't think that discussion contributes at all to the work you are doing this dio, so I'm gonna shelve it...

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote:  bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...  EDIT: Check where the slings are from this Volstad boxart:

I think that maybe that big blob that looks like it is obstructing the sight, IS the sight...maybe it needs drilled out?

Mansteins revenge wrote:

bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...

Check where the slings are from this Volstad boxart:

Mansteins revenge wrote:

bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...

Manny

Yeah, I'm with you that it does not really matter which sling swivel you used, and it does look like that one was used most often...

As far as a pic of the correct mount...  Did the link I posted not work?  If not, try a google search for Browning Automatic Rifle and click on the Images tab.  You'll find plenty of good pics.

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...

I don't quite understand this response.  You seem ticked off a little.  Isn't one of the reasons you take such detailed pics to show off the detail?  Isn't one of the reasons we all post work here to get feedback and constructive criticism?  Isn't it a benefit of this site that, since you freely admitted that you are not an expert on US small arms that some people who are more familiar are willing to offer some suggestions?

At the crux of it, it seems to me if you are going to post such detailed pics to show off your precision, you should expect and appreciate critique that are intended to help you make your details even more precise.  We're just tryin' to help...

If I am reading you wrong on this, accept my humble apologies...

bbrowniii wrote:

Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post...

As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling...

As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount... 

Hans von Hammer wrote:

Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose.

Manny

Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels.

As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:

 http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg

The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post...

Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...

   I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose.

calvin_ng wrote:

MR i hope you havent started painting the BAR fig yet looks to me youve got the bipod on top of the gun when it should be attached at the bottom. other than that the figs looks really good with all that detailing.

Grimmo wrote:

looking great manny! cant wait to see more! the figures look very dynamic, lots of movement, and leads to a folw in the dio. very good!

deafpanzer wrote:

Looking GREAT especially the slings!  Now I have to ask you this question... were those made from scratch or can I buy them somewhere?  I don't think I will ever make those as good as yours.  What happened to that cute dog?  Doog would have loved it!

Looking GREAT especially the slings!  Now I have to ask you this question... were those made from scratch or can I buy them somewhere?  I don't think I will ever make those as good as yours. 

What happened to that cute dog?  Doog would have loved it!

Hans von Hammer wrote:

These are the WIP figs from DITCY...the last pic shows a fig with a real, working M1 brass sling as HVH describes (although I disagree that the front attachment is near the bayonet lug)

camo junkie wrote:

thanks manny. like i said...my knowledge of said items/ww2 is very very limited!! didnt want to imply it was wrong...my curiousity just got the better of me!

No problem---that's one of the reasons I am on the Forum---to learn!!! No one knows everything!

Hans von Hammer wrote:

These are the WIP figs from DITCY...the last pic shows a fig with a real, working M1 brass sling as HVH describes (although I disagree that the front attachment is near the bayonet lug)