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Posted by Jim Barton on Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:23 PM
 SteveM wrote:

cassibill: This is fantastic information, I can't thank you enough! Some of this stuff was on my list, others I never would have thought of in a million years. I had plans for building shelves in there and loading them up with storage. Ideas rushing through my mind now.

The cart is single horse. Here's a shot of it- far from finished but assembled enough to give me an idea of the room I will need for it:

Thanks so much for taking the time to write all of that out for me.

Steve

 

 

Now of course, you want to make sure you don't put the cart before the horse!Big Smile [:D]

Cassibill definitely seems to know what she's talking about. If she lives on a farm or grew up on one and has pictures, perhaps she can post a few.

Way back when, farmers almost never threw anything away. If some machine or tool was unable to perform its normal function anymore, it was recycled and modified to do something else. It might be jerry-rigged or cobbled together with some other old equipment that had been lying around for who-knows-how-long, and look clumsy, but if it worked, that was all that mattered. It didn't have to look "pretty."

 

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Posted by cassibill on Monday, August 11, 2008 11:50 PM
No big deal.  As the Vulcans say, I live to serve.  I'm just glad to help.  If I think of anything else, I'll add it and I you have a question, I'm here.

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Posted by SteveM on Monday, August 11, 2008 5:20 AM

Thanks a million, cassibill... this is amazing information, invaluable. I will take all of this into consideration when it comes time to giving my barn it's character.

Steve

 

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Posted by cassibill on Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:51 PM

No problem.  I even forgot a few things. 

Mom added milk cans and salt- block or a bag of loose salt for the animals.  We use a block but some horses try to bite it and damage their teeth so you use loose salt for them. 

Baling wire is another one. It was the original duck tape. You used it even if you didn't bale. There as all sorts of stuff my granddad fixed with it around here, including the battery shelf on the tractor and a few tools.

Cans of paint and pine tar.  We still have part of a can of pine tar to use on hoof cracks and sores to keep bugs off and prevent chewing.

Saw horses-  A few boards across them and stuff was on top of them and under them.  Getting them when needed was a trick though.  You can do the same with  barrels and crates, anything of a similar height, maybe even between a crosspiece and a barrel.

Broom- probably the old one from the house now used to round up bits of hay and grain, and clear snow, much like taking the old dish sponge and using it on the counters or rotating your tires.

Chickens- just because they are provided with a nice hen house doesn't mean they use it.  They like to roost high and a barn has some nice spots, plus the grain the cattle and horses spill is tempting.  Our geese often check the horse manger for leftover grain.  Great place to hide a nest in all that clutter. One hen nested in a bucket back behind stuff. Our mother goose likes the leftover hay at the less used end of the manger.

Some hay or straw and perhaps an old blanket or coat in an out of the way spot for the dog. Our Border Collie slept under the ladder to the hay mow...so the cat had her kittens in the nearby crate to provide a bit of a deterent for raccoons, etc.

One horse cart means a collar harness. Not a bad wiki article

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:20 PM
Same here... The farmhouse I was doing just got hit by arty... Back to the drawing board....

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, August 10, 2008 2:37 PM

Thanks for that Vespa. I just threw my barn away Laugh [(-D]

Seriously, that is some amazing work. I have bookmarked that site, and have begun re-thinking my ladder. 

Steve

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:45 AM

Steve you may get some inspirartion by looking at the models of Chuck Doan who creates barn/workshop clutter in amazing detail. A lot of his photos look like the real thing but don't be fooled.

http://public.fotki.com/ChuckDoan/

 

 

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Posted by SteveM on Friday, August 8, 2008 5:43 AM

cassibill: This is fantastic information, I can't thank you enough! Some of this stuff was on my list, others I never would have thought of in a million years. I had plans for building shelves in there and loading them up with storage. Ideas rushing through my mind now.

The cart is single horse. Here's a shot of it- far from finished but assembled enough to give me an idea of the room I will need for it:

Thanks so much for taking the time to write all of that out for me.

Steve

 

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Posted by cassibill on Thursday, August 7, 2008 11:51 PM

I'll help as much as I can.  Here's some of the things you see hanging in a barn:

Pulleys or sometime simply ropes over a beam to lift

Hay hooks- We've got 4-5 and they are all at least a little different.  Easily made by a blacksmith they show a lot of variation Here's some pics I found.

Chain for heavy moving like logs and small sheds built on runners.

Pitchforks (3 and/or 4 tine),  Shovels, spades, rake, hoe, post hole digger

Axes and hatchets, you use a hatchet quite a bit for things like chopping holes in the rain barrels and troughs and busting gounds to feed cows.

Scythes and corn knives, We've got several corn knives and 2 machettes.  Corn knives have an edge but no point.

Pails- for milk, grain, water, anything

Bushel baskets- emptys mostly, full ones would have been in the root celler

A scoop for feed

A corn sheller and a grinder

Crates and barrels- Barrels were mostly outside to catch water but one or two inside to hold grain that had been shelled, cracked,... processed in some way.  Crates are a big catch all.  They were kept in case they were needed and always end up with stuff in them, frequently gunny sacks, saddle bags, whatever has no other place at the moment or that just gets left there.  A crate with sacks in it or the lid covering part of it or both is a prime spot for a cat to have kittens. My old mama cat had her 2 yr olds in a crate of sacks in the barn.  We also have a pianobox used to store grain!

Carpenter's tools, two man saw, general purpose ladder, wash tubs that have been replaced with newer ones in the house, brace and bit, kegs of nails, odds and ends lumber or sheet metal, windows

A lantern or 2, kept well clear of the hay and stock.

Meat hooks, scalding and rendering kettles

Chicken crates, stock tack, livestock bells, sheep shears, horse shoes, any horse or ox drawn implement or cart, sleds, bicycles, just about anything that needed inside that didn't go in the house.

Garages and garden sheds come later as farming expands or not at all it the room is lacking.  The house and the barn come together.  Stuff may get moved from the barn to another building but not the other way unless the building is being moved, repaired or torn down.  I've seen sheds and covered feeders built in sections inside in the winter and assembled outside when weather let up.  Remember storing is a matter of creativity and thinking in 3-D. A ladder can be stored in the air, laying between two crossbeams. Same with light implements. Things get re-purposed with time. An old, leaky wash tub will still feed sheep. Old horse shoes become hangers.  Old, worn or damaged tack gets kept for parts. Same with equipment. A low (40") movable "gate" or partition (simply a wooden frame with board across it and maybe a diagonal brace) used to separate small, sick, or young stock from the rest on occassion, like when a ewe has lambs. 

What kind of hitch will your cart have?  A tongue or staves or have you not decided or know yet.  How the cart is made will dictate what kind of tack is used. Staves are for one animal. A tongue(double-tree) is for two.  You either will need a double set up or single, for oxen or horses depending.

Tell me what you see and I'll help from there.

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Posted by SteveM on Thursday, August 7, 2008 10:58 AM
I saw that, and it's a good build you've got goin' on. I've got one, half built, as well; it's a CMK version, 2 wheeled. Been thinking about scratching one instead, based on it, and have been contemplating asking for the diagram / instructions that you offered in that post.

Thanks for the encouragement, Manny.

Steve

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:11 AM
Don't sell yourself short, if this thing keeps progressing as it has I feel you have a shot...check out mu thread: "On the Wagon"---might be a cool accessory for your scene...
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Posted by SteveM on Thursday, August 7, 2008 6:26 AM

Thanks, guys!

stick man: appreciate it! I won't be truly happy with the barn until I have it painted. Then we'll see Big Smile [:D]

panzerguy: thank you very much! I wouldn't mind at all! Very flattering Blush [:I]

Manstein: Best of Show is a little out of my range, but I appreciate the thought... I know we've all talked about the guy who brings in the biggest dio and walks away with all the awards- I would hope mine doesn't get viewed like this by others. It is pretty tall, though.

doog: "speechless" is an honor, but I do welcome your critique. I know that, through Jen, you've been around horses and, therefore- by proxy, perhaps- you've been around barns. your eye for detail is remarkable, and any suggestions you have would be most  appreciated.

vespa: praise for the details, from you, is like praise from the professor Bow [bow]Angel [angel]

cassibill: thank you for the suggestions. I'd would really love to see any pics you may have. It's the little stuff that will bring this barn out of being generic, into something that's really personalized. I'm scouring the net for photos of barn and horse tack.

senojrn: thank you again for your compliments. To answer your questions, real quick like (runing late for stupid workAngry [:(!]):

- large door hinges are cut from Custom Dioramics Ornate Fence.

- drilled holes, glued dressmaker's pins, trimmed with pliers. The remaining pins only started to lose position when I tried to file them. But thin CA goes a long way with securing them. Hence, all the glue stains.

- the bolts on the inside are from CMK (?). AM product, all I did was cut 'em off the spue. 

Ian:  as always, thank you very much!! Buddho kicks my Censored [censored] when it comes to this stuff, but I am flattered that you put in his leaque. I'm sure we'd all love to see the dock you're working on. Your boat is stunning.

I've put the barn to the side, and continued work on the figures. This is usually the point where I knock the structure off of the table and it shatters on the floor before my eyes.

Steve

 

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Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 11:52 AM
Incredible work...between this and Buddho's recent bridge, I can honestly say this is some of, if not the best structural woodwork I've seen in a diorama.  Makes the little dock I'm building look like firewood, but I'm getting some great ideas for it. 
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Posted by senojrn on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 11:15 AM

Steve, as everyone else has commented AMAZING work!!!  I really like it all!!  Excellent, excellent work!! 

Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] Bow [bow]

A couple of questions though:

1) What'd you use for the ornate hinges on the large, lower door??  Are those AM photoetch or did you do that yourself?

2) How'd you get the straight pin bolts to work?  I've tried that, but when I snipped the remaining straight pin off, it tore out the section of the pin I wanted to stay put... Banged Head [banghead]

3) What'd you use for the nut/bolt on the inside of the doors and on top of the main ridgepole beam?? 

Keep up the SUPERB work and keep on posting!!!  You just keep whetting my appetite with each posting and pic!!!  Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by cassibill on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 9:26 PM

Reminds me of our barn at home and that is a high complement. I love that barn.  It means more to me than the house does. It is a pegged beam affair. 

One of the details I can see you useing would be a hay fork and tackle mounted outside the loft window to raise hay from the wagon to the loft.  I'll try to find a pic for you. I can probably get one of ours if I can't find one. I know how to use one and fix one but I can't recall the proper name for it.  We still use it if a bale breaks. 

If they had switched to bales then a couple hay hooks would be hanging up, maybe even have something else being hung from it.

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Posted by vespa boy on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 7:12 PM
Steve you have a great eye for details, and we all know that god is in the details. Nice work on the barn and the fittings.

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:41 PM

Man!...............................................I'm just speechless!

AMAZING!!!! Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 4, 2008 9:16 AM
Amazing work with the barn...this is going to be a "Best of Show" contender...
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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:54 PM

 

  Steve your barn is a true piece of art, just wonderful. I hope you dont mind if I save some pics for future reference.

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Posted by stick man on Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:23 PM

That barn is AAAMMMAAAAZZZZIIIIINNNNNGGG! looks like you've put sooooo much work into it hope the dio trurns out how you wont it.

Smile [:)]

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:13 PM

Some progress pictures on the barn. 2 doors = 12 hours... told ya'll I'm slow. Still have to do the 2 doors for the ventalation windows, but I'll probably keep them off the structure until after painting (at least the one above the larger door).

All commens, critiques welcome.

 

Making the hinges and bolts:

 

These glue spots make it evident that the barn will be painted, not stained. But I'd rather make sure the doors, hinges, latches stay put:

Oh, yeah... still need to attach the hinges on the hinges on this one Blush [:I]

 

 

Thanks for looking.

Steve

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Posted by Jim Barton on Friday, August 1, 2008 5:06 PM
 SteveM wrote:

Thanks, senojrn! I truly appreciate your enthusiasm! I will get more shots up very soon. It's really time for me to get this dio in high gear... I've got other projects that want out Big Smile [:D]

Ian- I think that, sometimes, the women in our lives don't understand why we modeling dudes can't apply our patience and eye for detail to the things that matter to them Laugh [(-D] My mom is an avid scrabooker, so she can relate.

However, my wife wonders (out loud), since I have built a detailed 1/35 barn out of wood, why haven't I built her a 1:1 shed or deck out back. 

Confused [%-)]

Steve

 

Hmmm...time to get out the ol' power saw, Steve.Whistling [:-^]Big Smile [:D]

 

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Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Monday, July 28, 2008 1:28 PM
I'd say staining/washing the natural wood is worth a shot.  If it doesn't come out quite right, you were planning to paint them anyways, so there's nothing lost, and you can just paint over the stain/wash.  Then again, I've seen some painted wood that, to be honest, looked more convincing the natural miniature stained wood IMO.
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Posted by SteveM on Monday, July 28, 2008 12:57 PM

Thanks, senojrn! I truly appreciate your enthusiasm! I will get more shots up very soon. It's really time for me to get this dio in high gear... I've got other projects that want out Big Smile [:D]

Ian- I think that, sometimes, the women in our lives don't understand why we modeling dudes can't apply our patience and eye for detail to the things that matter to them Laugh [(-D] My mom is an avid scrabooker, so she can relate.

However, my wife wonders (out loud), since I have built a detailed 1/35 barn out of wood, why haven't I built her a 1:1 shed or deck out back. 

Confused [%-)]

Steve

 

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Posted by senojrn on Monday, July 28, 2008 8:49 AM

Steve,

OUTSTANDING WORK!!  This is simply amazing!!  As Doog noted, this project definitely deserves a WOW!!!  I am on the edge of my seat anxiously awaiting more!!! 

Just a wood-weathering technique idea for you to do with as you please.  I use a blackish-brown acrylic wash to weather the balsa and basswood that I have used in my Willie & Joe dioramas; it has always turned out really well.  I start out with just a brush-on base coat, allowing the natural wood color show through some.  Once that is mostly dry, I add another wash coat to darken the shadow and water-streaked/heavy weather areas.  For the lighter, sun-bleached highlights, just keep the base coat and/or add a little gray-brown wash overtop.  I have also done a gray-brown dry-brush coat that works well too.  On the glue stains, you may have to do a little sanding or shave off a sliver layer of the glue and wood.  Or, if it's a spot I can't get to really easily, I just add a little thicker wash in those areas and it covers the glue stain really well.  I like the wash method because the wash color will settle into the recesses of the wood texture and create a realistic look. 

Looking forward to your next post!! 

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Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:04 PM
 SteveM wrote:

My wife smiles at it, like I've gone off the deep end. I believe that to be some measure of success.

 

That one had me laughing for a while. Big Smile [:D]  Every time my mom gives me the look, I kindly remind her that she spends thousands of dollars a year and half of her free time to keep a horse. Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by SteveM on Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:17 AM

Thanx, gents!

Mobious: thanks! Yeah, I've got plans for hanging all of the stuff I can think of, deal is- I can't think of much. Somewhere in my stash I have parts for a workhorse. Gonna dig that up shortly, so I can get an idea for the storage. If you want to throw in some ideas for what needs to be hangin', please chime in (Shock [:O]).

Doog: yer too kind! I appreciate your eye for realism and detail, so feel free to fire away.

I have applied the texturizing technique to the outer plank siding, and have almost finished. Been kinda tedious, but it looks better than just throwing some cut planks up there. I'll post a pic or two when that's done.

My wife smiles at it, like I've gone off the deep end. I believe that to be some measure of success.

Thanks again, guys, for the comments and compliments. All comments and critique still welcome.

Steve

 

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Posted by the doog on Friday, July 25, 2008 5:58 PM

Man!

You're serious about this dio, aren't ya?! Tongue [:P]

You're doing some incredible work! I'm like, at a loss for superlatives! Just amazing work all around!

WOW!!!!!

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Posted by Mobious on Friday, July 25, 2008 12:28 PM

 Hello steveM,

 That is fantastic work on barn raising! I really liked your mini toot, detailing the planks. One detail that I don't know if you're planning on adding, is maybe some pegs for tackle storage. We used horse shoes to hang tack on. There is alot of tack to harness a horse to a cart. Just my My 2 cents [2c].

 I don't spend enough time in the dio forums and would have missed this fine project if it weren't for Manny posting in the Armour forum. Thanks Manny.

 Best Regards,

 

 

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:39 AM

stick man: thanks! I'll get more shots up, as soon as I can get motivated out of my Sunday morning ritual of splitting two pots of coffee with my wife, and then doing nothing at all for a couple of hours Laugh [(-D]

Jim: I think I have too many careless glue splotches to actually age the wood. I'll paint it instead. The drums could pe packed into the cart, as mine are usually packed into my CRV. Warping and melting is part of my sound, man!

panzerguy: thanks a lot! The cart is from ADV / Historex. Been sitting in my stash for a good while, and glad to finally use it.

Buddho: much appreciated. I believe, however, that the bridge you are working on makes my barn look Lego-level. Bow [bow]

Thanks for looking and commenting, guys.

Steve

 

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