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Me410 A-1: To The Finish! 11/7/10

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Posted by chukw on Monday, July 5, 2010 9:03 PM

Wow- I'm out of the klink at last!  Thanks, Hannah- let's get things going again...






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Posted by Jim Barton on Thursday, July 1, 2010 10:13 PM

I'd better hide my deviled eggs away from that thing! That is fun!Yes A nice break from Pfennig.

Glad you had a nice trip back east.

"Whaddya mean 'Who's flying the plane?!' Nobody's flying the plane!"

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Posted by Medicman71 on Monday, June 28, 2010 11:41 PM

Awsome build!! The artwork and the Me410 are incredible!!! I'm picking up so much from just this post. Can't wait to see more.

Building- (All 1/48) F-14A Tomcat, F-16C Blk 30, He 129

 

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, June 28, 2010 11:35 AM

Very cool side project, Chuck!  It has a Maschinen Krieger look to it, Hannah and Fritzi would fit right in, in smartly tailored SDR uniforms.

Thanks for the response on your sealer coat!  I use mineral spirits, and I've been thinking that I should perhaps dilute them a bit.

Best regards,

Brad

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by chukw on Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:05 PM

Oh, the punnishment I'm taking for this! I'm still working on my Me410, but this service project has a deadline zooming up, so here's more egg-citement!










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Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:11 PM

So you have gotten the "egg-zactly" the right  project to feather your nest as this too, will make you the *** of the walk, eh? Ick!   Sorry couldn' help ma-self

However you first picture did bring a tear to me eye;

 [Ref: the added text]

 

Sniff Boo Hoo I'm over it now, so go ahead with your project Big Smile

 

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by Hartmann352 on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:10 AM

HEYYY! There he is.

I guess there is one egg that won't end up in the frying pan. Looks nice. My minds eye is imagining a battery of those backing up Hammers Slammers tanks.

Hope the canopy comes out right.

Toast, Dave

 

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Posted by chukw on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:08 AM

Hey, guys- I'm still alive, just a little distracted.  This little doodle is an entry in fundraiser for an art forum I frequent.  You get a wooden egg and your imagination and go it.   Wheeeeee!







As for the 410, I've pored a new canopy mold- looks much better- just have to pry it out of the vac!  I've also marked out the lines for the rioll cage on the first mold, so things will get back in gear soon.  Had a nice 10-day trip back east, too. 

Baron, good ol' Future is what a use to undercoat my oil washes.  The key is to thin the oils with a mild thinner- the Humbrol stuff is just perfect.

 

Cheers!

chuk

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:18 PM

We need our fix over here!Big Smile

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Posted by B17Pilot on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:10 PM

One icon sums it all up: Bow Down

Great work!!!

  

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Posted by Hartmann352 on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:22 PM

Where are my favorite maintenance personel and that crazy coin?

"Yesterday is history, Tomorrow a mystery, but Today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present".

 

 

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Posted by burner12 on Monday, June 7, 2010 4:02 PM

Should I dare ask what her name is?

 

And by the way great work. This bird will turn out nice.

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, June 7, 2010 11:56 AM

Your wash technique produces great results, Chuck!

I'm sorry if you noted this, but what did you use to seal the coat under the oil wash?  That's an area that sometimes gives me trouble.

Thanks!

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, June 1, 2010 3:09 PM

Once again, Chuck, well done and I wish I had your patience!

John

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Posted by chukw on Monday, May 31, 2010 9:05 PM

Thanks, guys!  yes, I did do those pics for Mal- and he greases my palm with masks.  Not a bad deal, eh?   Ah, Jim- that canopy- there's a smidge about it in the following- read on!

Well, I attended the wedding of dear friends this weekend, and still had time to do a bit on the 410.  Let's start this post with an image appropriate to our American holiday:












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Posted by Jim Barton on Saturday, May 29, 2010 4:55 PM

the Baron

 Jim Barton:

... But what does Waffen Farbe mean?

 

Ich gebe meinen Senf dazu-I'll add my two cents (as an old German teacher).

A good translation is "arm of service color".  For example, Andrew Mollo chose to translate it that way in his "German Uniforms of World War II".   It's actually a contraction of "Waffengattungfarbe,", "Waffengattung" being "arm" or "branch of service", in the sense of "infantry," "artillery" and "cavalry".

The "weapon's color" would be rather "die Farbe des Waffen".

Chuck, the masks are fantastic!  And do I see clearly-did you illustrate the instruction sheet?  Ausgezeichnet!

Prost!

Brad

 

Thanks, Brad!Yes

Chuck: As I understand it, the prototype has framing on both the interior and exterior of the canopy, but the replacement canopy for the model has all the framing on the exterior?

Hmmm. Better keep that a secret from Pfennig or he will not be a happy man, uh, coin, uh...Smile

 

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:52 AM

Jim Barton

... But what does Waffen Farbe mean?

Ich gebe meinen Senf dazu-I'll add my two cents (as an old German teacher).

A good translation is "arm of service color".  For example, Andrew Mollo chose to translate it that way in his "German Uniforms of World War II".   It's actually a contraction of "Waffengattungfarbe,", "Waffengattung" being "arm" or "branch of service", in the sense of "infantry," "artillery" and "cavalry".

The "weapon's color" would be rather "die Farbe des Waffen".

Chuck, the masks are fantastic!  And do I see clearly-did you illustrate the instruction sheet?  Ausgezeichnet!

Prost!

Brad

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by chukw on Sunday, May 23, 2010 8:46 PM

Thanks, Duster!  Here's a  quick update- time is short!







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Posted by DUSTER on Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:27 PM

Gosh Chuck

It seems like only yesterday that I saw the start this build  (well to be honest, I did go back through from the beginning yesterdayWhistling)  and here we are nearing the fiddly bits. 

  Bow DownGood job with the masks ( I do remember the illustrations from earlier on- must be kinda weird to see them from a users perspective)  I read about them on a UK forum and saw the web site "vewy inter-resting"  might make national markings etc more custom to the specific plane being modeled.

 

 

JU 388 hummm? might be interesting to see how you tweak that one too

 

 

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by chukw on Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:26 PM

The next project?  Drumroll!!   The Planet models Ju388 K/L- oh, momma!

Thanks, a bunch, guys- :D

Nothing makes you feel like you're making progress like adding the insignia and markings, right, Fritzi?













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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:15 PM

chukw

I sent Fritzi and Hannah on a mission to CMK, who have the only commercially-available vac 410 canopy in their interior set.   They offered to make my next online build a CMK kit if they'd sell me just the canopy, the little cuties.  CMK not only offered me a canopy, but my pick from their catalog- wow!  Talk about being a kid in a candy shop!     Care to take a guess at what it will be? 

Cheers1

chuk

A MIG-21 MF with Czech markings or at the very least a highly modified DML ME-262?

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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Posted by DUSTER on Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:42 PM

chukw

CMK not only offered me a canopy, but my pick from their catalog- wow!  Talk about being a kid in a candy shop!

 

   Surprise  Why Chuck your not going to fall for such a blatant attempt by big business to subvert your art into crass comercialism -are you ? If you feel they ask too much , please send CMK my name I'll glady subvert

chukw

Care to take a guess at what it will be? 

 

AngelA  Czechoslovakian B-35 mark 3 with operational flaps , landing gear and lighted instrument panel?  OR  

 something of the German Luft persuasion  Whistling

Steve

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Posted by Lundergaard on Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:02 AM

Hi again Chuk

Thanks for the "scale black" ratio.  I'll give it a shot next time it comes up.

The LifeColor thinner didn't work so well for me, even when adding Vallejo acrylics retarder.  Lots of tip dry.  I read somewhere someone used Tamiya acrylic thinner with the LifeColor paints so I gave it a shot.  It worked PERFECTLY and the tip dried in about 1/4 the time.  Made a huge difference.

Anyway, just in case anyone wants to give the LC paints a try, use the Tamiya thinner.  The colors they have are excellent and the finish is nice and satin-y.

Andy

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Posted by chukw on Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:21 AM

Thanks, guys!

Pat, I consulted plenty of photos that showed a solid mount.  There were many variations for all the different engines and airframes- cheers!

Andy, I like the Lifecolor paints just fine- easy to work with, although I did have to frequently wipe the needle tip as paint built up while spraying.  No biggie!  That "scale black" was a roughly- 50-50 mix, but t's an "eyeball" kind of thing.

Hiya, Jim!  By Waffen Farbe I meant a fairly literal translation ( I guess) of "weapon color".   Me no speaken zee doitch.  Devil   Thanks for the invites! 

Mikey, I sure did use latex from an Alumilite kit.  It's Type I, and should be Type II- more flexible.  Or, more likely, RTV, as you suggest.  The paln was to make a female resin mold and do a vac from that, as the kit canopy fit well. Read on for the solution!

Pawel, can you ever be "too smart"?  ;D  Here's the smartest plan I came up with:

I sent Fritzi and Hannah on a mission to CMK, who have the only commercially-available vac 410 canopy in their interior set.   They offered to make my next online build a CMK kit if they'd sell me just the canopy, the little cuties.  CMK not only offered me a canopy, but my pick from their catalog- wow!  Talk about being a kid in a candy shop!     Care to take a guess at what it will be? 

Cheers1

chuk

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Posted by Pawel on Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:24 AM

Jim Barton

But what does Waffen Farbe mean?

I don't know what Chuk exactly meant, but it could be understood as colour of the weapon (Waffen - weapons or also military service branch, Farbe - colour)

Chuk, I start too worry you might be getting "too smart" on the canopy, but that's just me. I admire your work and enjoy the WIP, so keep 'em comin', have a nice day

Pawel

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:53 PM

Chuk you didn't make the mold out of latex rubber did you? you should have gone with RTV mold making rubber it will hold the shape of the molded object like your canopy and not fall apart like the mold you just made.

And did you know I think it might be possible to use the master that you would make from the new mold and the new mold itself as a male/female press to press out a new canopy. It would be a new play on the old heat and smash thermaforming technique.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:17 AM

Sweet paint job! Love it!YesYes But what does Waffen Farbe mean?

Looking forward to hearing how you solved your casting and mold issues!

If you're a member of IPMS and can finish this plane by August, you ought to bring it (and your Helldiver) to Phoenix for the convention!Yes Even if you don't enter the contest but are going to attend it, plan to come to a meeting of IPMS Craig Hewitt as a guest the first Tuesday evening in August.Welcome Sign

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, May 10, 2010 12:11 PM

Outstanding, Chuck!  I love your splinter pattern, and the mottling is excellent.  Can't wait for the next installment!

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Posted by Lundergaard on Monday, May 10, 2010 10:12 AM

Hi Chuk

How did you like the LifeColor?  I've found it's the only acrylic i can do mottling with.  Never had good luck with the MM line of paints.

Anyway, what was the paint ratio of the "scale black" that Brett Green had come up with?

Build looks excellent!  Sorry about the canopy mold.

Cheers

andy

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Posted by shoot&scoot on Monday, May 10, 2010 9:21 AM

Cool build and amazing way to post It!  I have a question however.  Built a bf 109 yrs. ago as a kid and did it with an open cowling to see the engine and seem to recall that the engine mounts had openings in them to reduce weight where on your 410 they are just depressions.  Did the engineers add material back to strengthen them?  Just wondering.  Keep up the great work!

                                                                                           Pat

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