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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:44 AM

fermis

The canopies on the P-40s look to be about 2.7mm too wide, when viewed from above. This movie is unwatchable.

Complete and total fraud.

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Posted by 40.mm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:07 PM

Well here we go on another trip toward infamy , hay why not its not the first time !!

 

 

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:19 PM

DoogsATX

 

 fermis:

 

The canopies on the P-40s look to be about 2.7mm too wide, when viewed from above. This movie is unwatchable.

 

 

Complete and total fraud.

 pathetic....

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Posted by fermis on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:22 PM

40.mm

Well here we go on another trip toward infamy , hay why not its not the first time !!

 

 

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Posted by mikeymize on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:08 PM

Hans von Hammer

Looks like it beats hell outta that HBO puker, "The Tuskeegee Airmen"... Actually saw P-40s...

Still, I don't get too wound-up about these kind of films anymore...  "Based Upon Actual Events" usually means, "A LOT of This is Fiction"...  Got a feeling that the trailer shows the majority of the air combat scenes, and mos of the movie will be on the "ground"...

Hope I'm wrong...

Boy isn't that the truth! Hollywood always see the need to jazz up stuff when the actual events are good enough. "Truth is stranger than fiction"  And a heck of a lot more interesting too!

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:38 PM

Hans von Hammer

Technically, the claim was "never lost a bomber to enemy fighters"...

Not that it really matters that much, but the claim apparently originated from a story in the Chicago Defender in March of 45, which stated the Tuskegee airmen had never lost a bomber to enemy fire. In fact, mission records and eyewitness accounts suggest at least 25 bombers were lost.

The thing is though, that was 25 bombers over the entire time they were escorting bombers when other units were losing 25 bombers on a single mission. So whatever the exact history is, the record of the Tuskegee Airmen is pretty impressive.

I am really excited about this movie, as I think I said before. Yeah, there might be a few problems with specific equipment (does it really matter if the P-51s are the right variant?), but so long as they are true to the broad outlines of the story, I'll be happy.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:36 PM

Hans von Hammer

The B-8s were for issue to aviators and M44s were for ground troops (M44 is still the current nomenclature of the Sun, Wind, Dust goggles), but the B8s included a red lens as well as the smoke and clear ones... Aircrews who were scheduled to be flying at night would use the red lens for about two hours prior to sundown, in order to have their night-vison at it's peak as early as possible...  And to protect their eyes from the clown with the flashlight that pops up onto the wing, shines it in your face and chirps, "Give 'em hell for me, Sir!"

Wink

Or somebody with a camera flash like later on with another group of unsung heroes in another war...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:44 PM

The thing is though, that was 25 bombers over the entire time they were escorting bombers when other units were losing 25 bombers on a single mission.

That's when the 8th AF was tying the fighters together with the bombers too... Once Doolittle took over the the Eighth, the mission changed from Eaker's "Protect the Bombers" mission statement to "Destroy the Luftwaffe"...  The fighters were cut loose to range far ahead of the bombers and engage the Luftwaffe well before they ever even saw a bomber, while they were forming up...

Bomber losses to enemy fighters dropped dramatically under Doolittle's method... 

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Posted by traveller on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 8:50 PM

Just saw the trailer, looks like they are re-writing history. After reading Osprey's Tuskegee Airmen book, it seems that they are putting in a lot more action, and not the reality. Where are the P-39s and P-47s, and P-51Bs. Will they mention that a lot of the planes were second hand? I can only hope that the story line is strong.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:54 AM

traveller

Just saw the trailer, looks like they are re-writing history. After reading Osprey's Tuskegee Airmen book, it seems that they are putting in a lot more action, and not the reality. Where are the P-39s and P-47s, and P-51Bs. Will they mention that a lot of the planes were second hand? I can only hope that the story line is strong.

That's not rewriting history. That's condensing and sensationalizing it...but the main thrust of events - African American pilots proving themselves against the institutionalized racism of the WWII-era military and succeeding spectacularly in their role as bomber escorts - will stlll be there.

Rewriting history is Gladiator. Precisely two things in that movie actually happened. Rome fought a buttload of wars on the German frontier during Marcus Aurelius' reign, and his son Commodus succeeded him as emperor. But yeah, no Maximus, no restoration of the Republic. Far more depressingly, Commodus' reign ended with his assassination in a bath and kicked off round after round of power struggles, coups and civil wars that would, with a few exceptions - the extended reigns of Septimius Severus, Diocletian and Constantine - persist until the collapse of the western empire three hundred years later.

Honestly, 300 is more historically accurate. And, in my opinion, one of the best historical movies ever made. Not because it's accurate (though it gets the big stuff right), but because it captures perfectly the image the Spartans so actively cultivated.

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Posted by traveller on Friday, August 5, 2011 7:31 AM

DoogsATX

 traveller:

Just saw the trailer, looks like they are re-writing history. After reading Osprey's Tuskegee Airmen book, it seems that they are putting in a lot more action, and not the reality. Where are the P-39s and P-47s, and P-51Bs. Will they mention that a lot of the planes were second hand? I can only hope that the story line is strong.

 

That's not rewriting history. That's condensing and sensationalizing it...but the main thrust of events - African American pilots proving themselves against the institutionalized racism of the WWII-era military and succeeding spectacularly in their role as bomber escorts - will stlll be there.

Rewriting history is Gladiator. Precisely two things in that movie actually happened. Rome fought a buttload of wars on the German frontier during Marcus Aurelius' reign, and his son Commodus succeeded him as emperor. But yeah, no Maximus, no restoration of the Republic. Far more depressingly, Commodus' reign ended with his assassination in a bath and kicked off round after round of power struggles, coups and civil wars that would, with a few exceptions - the extended reigns of Septimius Severus, Diocletian and Constantine - persist until the collapse of the western empire three hundred years later.

Honestly, 300 is more historically accurate. And, in my opinion, one of the best historical movies ever made. Not because it's accurate (though it gets the big stuff right), but because it captures perfectly the image the Spartans so actively cultivated.

One can only hope that they do a good job of telling the story of how the airmen overcame all that was stacked up against them. I am currently re-reading their story, and it still is a good storySmile

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Posted by TomZ2 on Saturday, August 6, 2011 12:54 AM

“Movies are for entertainment. If you want to send a message, send a telegram.” — Louis B. Mayer

Occasional factual, grammatical, or spelling variations are inherent to this thesis and should not be considered as defects, as they enhance the individuality and character of this document.

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Posted by mfsob on Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:01 AM

Hmpphff - the trailer is gone from Yahoo Movies and has migrated over to IMDB - http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi624270361

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