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Monogram 1/48 TBD-1 at Coral Sea (long post)

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  • From: North Pole, Alaska
Posted by richs26 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:19 PM

Stik, you can use silver and black pencils to weather the torpedo showing the scrapes and smudges in handling them as they were brought up to the flight deck and back down to the torpedo lockers many times in their lives.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:15 PM

Thanks, Stik. Also, for the additional comments on the weathering. I'm mostly playing with some of these techniques today, Compared to the water/drop of detergent/pastel powder thing I tried upfront, looking much better. Not close to your work, but making progress and having great fun.

You guys are great, really glad I joined up after lurking for months.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:41 PM

Greg, I look forward to seeing your work here. If you have any questions, send me a message. I am always happy to help or add my 2 cents.

Baron, many thanks. You know me, with Hammer and several others here I am a diehard Monofan. My next 1974 TBD will be even better. I came up with some ideas on this one. After the fact of course. Isn't that how it always works?

A couple tidbits to add on my weathering technique. Use dissimilar layers. And give plenty of drying time between the base coat and the wash layers. At least overnight. Dont apply an enamel wash over an enamel clear coat and vice versa. The thinners in the wash will eat away at the undercoat if you do. This is less of an issue with acrylics, but they dont perform as well in my experience for washes and drybrushing.

 

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:03 PM

Beautifully done, Stik!  I didn't make it to the second MM build, so I didn't know you had this brewing.  It does this old Monogram fan's heart good to see your excellent results.  I'm with Greg, thanks for explaining your weathering technique!  This is museum quality, I think.

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:44 AM

Thanks for taking the time to explain your techniques, Stik.

Looking fwd to giving it a go. :)

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:22 AM

Thank you for the kind words gents...

Jester, that was the look I was trying to achieve. I think that in ths case it came out just right.

F8, if you look in the Monogram Mafia II or 1942 GB threads, you can see all the WIP photos along with descriptions of all the add on's, mods, & corrections I made along the way here. I have another one of these kits in my stash and one day when I do tackle it again, I will likely go even farther down that path.

Greg, on the wing fold (and most everywhere else), I used a wash of Model Master Enamel Burnt Umber pin wash over the Future gloss coat. The gloss coat usually helps the washes flow better. The excess wash is removed with a clean brush and clean thinner. After that, I applied the Humbrol Matte Clear top coat, then I did a very light dry brushing of a lighter Humbrol Enamel Blue Gray color to highlight the raised details. Keep at it and your sucess rate will increase.  Half of that process is dependant upont the paint and brush types used. No synthetic brushes or acrylic paints for dry brushing.I get far better control with old red sable brushes and enamel paints.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:38 AM

Just spent 10 minutes studying all your pics, that's a long time, for me.

Detail is fantastic, I find your build to be inspirational, something to strive towards.

Re the macro of the hinged wing joint, am guessing a dark oil wash followed by a light dry brush. Am I close? I ask because what you've shown here is a technique I want to learn, have been experimenting with, and not having much success so far. TIA.

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Posted by f8sader on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:26 AM

Most excellent build of the kit!  Again, it's great to see these posts since the kit is in the "stash" and I can refer back to this when I have questions or need some encouragement!

Lon-ski

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Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:43 AM

Nice build stik!! She looks like she has seen her fair amount of use! Love the weathering.

Eric

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:43 PM

Thank you guys. This was a labor of love here. The kit has always been a favorite and I have nothing but the deepest respect for the bold and brave aviators who flew the TBD against Japan in early 1942. There are several little flaws in the build, but overall I am quite pleased with the finished results. Now to do a Midway TBD from this kit one day...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by scorpr2 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:51 PM

I think she looks great!  Your canopy came out a lot better than mine.  Keep up the great work!

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  • From: State of Mississippi. State motto: Virtute et armis (By valor and arms)
Posted by mississippivol on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:30 PM

Great job! I've never found the opportunity to build that kit. Thanks for the timely historical account as well, today marks 71 years since Midway, and Thursday marks 69 years since D-day.

Glenn

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  • From: Coldwater, Mich
Posted by MKelley on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:55 PM

Very nice. The kit is a little long in the tooth. You Sir, have done an outstanding job. YesYes

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  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:34 PM

Stik, that's great history, and a great old classic model too!  She looks great my friend; you have reason to be proud of the plane and the idea.Bow Down

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 7:42 PM

Thank you NH, you are very right about the beauty of older designs. She is a classic.

Rich, you are right about the torpedo. I did not think of that. I need to figure something out there...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: North Pole, Alaska
Posted by richs26 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 7:09 PM

Excellent work Stik.  The one thing I would suggest is to weather and scuff up your Mk XIII just like those of VT-8's photos.  You weathered the plane, why not the torpedo?  It would be scuffed plenty from much handling.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by New Hampshire on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 6:23 PM

She is a fine looking bird Stik.  Those super sleek and sexy fighter jets may be leaps and bounds in performance over the old birds of WW2 and Korea, but the lack all the grace, beauty and utility of the great warbirds such as this.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 6:21 PM

Thank you Gary. You can say that again about the wing corrugations and sanding. Thank goodness for needle files!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 6:08 PM

For an old Monogram kit, she looks pretty good, Stik.  You did her proud.  The panel lines are especially well done.  And I know those wing ridges were a pain to sand between.

Yes

Gary

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:59 PM

Thank you again. Yup, its a fixed mount .30 firing thru the cowling. Although some TBDs did have a .50 mounted there.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:39 PM

I had to come back and look at this again as there's lots of great work to see again.

Is that a 30. cal firing through the cowling?   I had no idea...

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:18 PM

Thank you sir. I sure wish I knew what he was up to nowadays. I miss the old bugger.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

Dre
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  • From: here, not over there
Posted by Dre on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:05 PM

All I can say is...   dang, really nice work!    Hans would be happy with this- whatever happened to him?

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 3:56 PM

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Sonora Desert
Monogram 1/48 TBD-1 at Coral Sea (long post)
Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 3:51 PM

Last year Hans Von Hammer presented the idea of historical model build posts on here, so this is my take on this concept. I built this kit for the 1942 GB here but only completed it today due to various reasons. So first off, a few shots of the completed build

 and the historical background to put it all in place...

May 6, 1942, Imperial Japan stands triumphant in the Pacific. With the fall of Corregidor and the surrender of the Philippines, all of her pre war territorial goals have now been achieved. Although there were temporary setbacks at places such as Bataan and Wake Island, in the end, all pre war objectives are now under the Rising Sun.

            And the second phase of conquest has already begun. Moves to isolate and possibly invade Australia are in motion. Tulagi Island near the south end of the Solomon Islands, has been captured to establish a seaplane base. And Imperial Japanese forces are enroute by sea to seize Port Moresby, the last Allied stronghold on New Guinea.

            But not all of Japan’s military goals have been met, particularly the sinking of the US Navy’s Aircraft Carriers, which were not present at Pearl Harbor. Their presence has been felt across the Pacific. Most spectacularly with the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo, but more recently with USS Yorktown striking at the Japanese invasion forces off of Tulagi, the day after their landings. But this raid has alerted the Japanese to the presence of US carriers in these waters and set the stage for the Battle of the Coral Sea. Both sides know each other is present, but neither knows their enemy’s location.

            Dawn May 7, 1942. Both sides’ carriers launch scouts to locate their opponents. Scouts from each side locate enemy shipping, but through poor communications and scouting, miss their respective enemy’s carriers. Each side launches a major strike against a minor target. The Japanese launch against the fleet oiler USS Neosho and an escorting destroyer, USS Sims. The US launches against two cruisers and two destroyers that thru a coding error are received as “two carriers”. The Japanese strike quickly sinks USS Sims, and fatally damages USS Neosho, a Pearl Harbor survivor.

            But luck smiles on the US strike force as they come across the Tulagi covering force, which includes the light carrier HIJMS Shoho. Two full US carrier are wings are about to fall upon her.

            USS Lexington has launched first, and her wing is first to arrive and strike. Her Air Group consists of Scouting Two and Bombing Two with 28 SBD-3s, Torpedo Two with 12 TBD-1s, and an escort of 10 F4F-3s from Fighting Two. Yorktown’s Air Group, consisting of Scouting Five and Bombing Five with 24 SBD-3s,  Torpedo Five with 10 TBD-1s, and an escort from Fighting Five with 8 F4F-3s, was approximately 15 minutes behind the Lexington’s. The strike delivered that morning is arguably the best co-ordinated and most successful strike against any Japanese carrier in 1942, and possibly World War II.

        Shoho is sunk within 30 minutes after being hit by at least 13 bombs and 7 torpedoes delivered by both air groups. The strike commander broadcasts back to USS Lexington, “Dixon to carrier, Scratch one flattop!”.

          The next day, May 8th becomes the showdown slugging match between the roughly equally matched off USN and IJN carrier forces- USS Lexington and USS Yorktown vs. HIJMS Zuikaku and HIJMS Shokaku in the world’s first true carrier battle. Both sides discover each location and launch strikes against their opposing number roughly simultaneously.  But while the US carriers are in near idyllic weather conditions, the Japanese are in stormy conditions, which works to their advantage. The US air groups are not able to rendezvous and strike in a co ordinated manner as they had done the day before. And Zuikaku is able to hide in rain squalls and avoid air attack completely.

          Both US air groups attack Shokaku piecemeal and the attacks are pressed home with great determination. At least 3 bombs hit Shokaku, damaging her severely. Unfortunately the TBD attacks are plagued by torpedoes that run wild or fail to detonate when they hit. Shokaku survives to fight another day. Meanwhile, the Japanese attacks on the US carrier force are pressed home with equal vigor and both Lexington and Yorktown are hit. At the end of the day, both sides carrier forces withdraw, and USS Lexington will succumb to her damage that evening, being scuttled after a series of fires and explosions due to a fuel vapor explosion.

         At Coral Sea, the TBDs would perform adequately enough, losing not a single one to enemy action, being escorted well enough by friendly fighters to keep the Zeroes and Claudes away. Both Torpedo Five and Two were fairly well combat experienced by this point in the war having flown several hit and run raids across the Pacific and well led by experienced officers. The biggest shortcoming would be the Mk.XIII torpedo, as was so clearly seen against Shokaku.

          Less than a month later, the mostly unescorted TBDs would fall by the dozen at Midway and no torpedo hits would happen. But on that sunny morning of May 7, the TBD would have its’ hour of glory, helping to send Shoho to the bottom of the Pacific, and as a result of that action forcing the Japanese seaborne Port Moresby invasion force to turn back. They would not return by sea.

and a few photos from the May 7 action

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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