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A tale of two P-40B and P-40E -- COMPLETED !!!!!

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Posted by Toshi on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:39 PM

That looks awesome sir!  Just a superb build!

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:35 PM

That's a really spiffy looking P-40! Great job!

Anyone know why these aircraft needed so much antenna wire?

Mike

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:19 PM

1943Mike

Anyone know why these aircraft needed so much antenna wire?

 

Good question. I too, have often pondered this.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:59 PM
Beautiful! Indeed very good question about the antenna. I was unaware that set up extended to the E. It certainly makes it tough to handle.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:24 PM

BrandonK

That is correct for the -E, the -B needs the rail on the canopy. Near as I can tell it's complete. Besides, it's done and I'm not going back now.

BK

Looks correct to me, Brandon, here's a close-up:

John

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:40 AM

jeaton01

 

 
BrandonK

That is correct for the -E, the -B needs the rail on the canopy. Near as I can tell it's complete. Besides, it's done and I'm not going back now.

BK

 

 

Looks correct to me, Brandon, here's a close-up:

 

 

Brandon, you sure got that right. I never would have guessed; the canopy must run on that top ridge with a G shaped atachment to hold it in place - clean! And thanks for the photo, John; it went to my P-40 file.

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:19 AM

Great finish on number 1 BK. 

 

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Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:48 AM

lawdog114
Beautiful! Indeed very good question about the antenna. I was unaware that set up extended to the E. It certainly makes it tough to handle.
 

From what I've read the antenna like that were a field upgrade. I'm not at all certain as to why. I'll have to do more research.

And yes, it is all that much more delicate to handle and clean.

Thanks for all the kind words, much appreciated.

BK

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Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:19 AM

So I did some reading and searching and found a small thread on a forum where a modeler said he spoke to a P-40 vet and the vet said that you could have a row of identical P-40s and each one would have a different antenna set up. They basically didn't have any hard and fast rule as to what each plane had. He went on to state that he recalled that if the plane had a mast, then it had tail to mast antenna only. If it had no mast then it could have tail to fuselage only and tail to wing tips with tail to fuselage.

I also went to several sites where photos could be found and I found examples of mast and non mast antennas on planes up through the -F variant.

SO, I guess what this tells us is, try to set up your plane to what any photos of IT may show. Otherwise we just don't know for sure how it was set up. Since my plane has no mast, I opted for the wing tip configuation. I could have done the fuselage only and that may have been correct also. In the end, I set it up as that was the look I wanted for this AC. It may not be correct, I'll be the first to admit that, but in the end I can live with that as well.

BK

Edit, quess I found my answer, I guessed correctly. Whew!!

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, April 21, 2017 7:59 AM

LOL BK, we start digging around and even more questions come up. Who knows what was only back then and the few pictures one can find now is what we can use as a guide. I went thru the same thing researching my He162 build.

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Posted by GAF on Friday, April 21, 2017 1:07 PM

1943Mike

That's a really spiffy looking P-40! Great job!

Anyone know why these aircraft needed so much antenna wire?

 

A guess is that the radios were poor (when they worked).  Some added aerial wire might help their range.  I do ponder those aerals from the wing tip to fuselage as it looks like a good way for a pilot to "clothesline" himself.  I doubt they lasted very long, at least on the left side.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, April 21, 2017 1:50 PM

That's good information. Looks like my build only needs the tail to fuse aerial. Which is good, because I dread those wing wires lol.

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Posted by Toshi on Friday, April 21, 2017 2:16 PM

Great guess sir!  As I said before, I can't wait for the finish!

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Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:29 PM

Well, now the -B is in the paint booth. I gave it a dose of Alclad black primer, sanded that with 3K grit, then mottled it up with white to complete the black basing. I then applied Mr Color #317 which is a tad lighter than Tamiya Neutral Grey. I find this color more correct to my eye than the Tamiya which I find is a bit dark, to me. I'll let this dry for a few hours, then shoot the upper surface.

BK

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, April 22, 2017 2:37 PM

I can see how this is going to work. Waiting for color. :) :) :)

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Posted by iampiper13 on Saturday, April 22, 2017 3:59 PM

The E looks fantastic!!!! The B is shaping up very nicely!

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Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:21 PM

Top coat is now on. The camera really doesn't pick up the subtle tonal variations caused by the base coat, but you can see it with the naked eye. I am so glad to finally be putting color on this one. I have nearly a year on it and probably over 100 hours. I won't be doing one of these again anytime soon, if ever.

BK

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, April 22, 2017 5:05 PM

I can barely see it, but yeah its there.  

I feel your pain. I don't think I want to build another one of these for another few years lol.

The results are worth it though.  :)

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Saturday, April 22, 2017 8:52 PM
Sweet......

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:51 AM

Coming along splendidly. I too am anxious for the finish - I'm sure it'll be just brilliant.

Mike

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Posted by bvallot on Monday, April 24, 2017 1:43 PM

Coming along BK. Very nice. =]

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 11:01 AM

Thanks gentlemen, I appreciate the kind words.

I have to admit that building the -B is a bit challenging as there appears to be no photos of this actual plane during the war, at least that I can find. SO, that means I have to attempt to read between the lines. The decal placement, tail callout, antenna setup are all best guesses based on various sources and survivor AC. I know this is not an exact mirror of the plane LT. Taylor flew on Dec 7 and got 4 kills, but it's the best I can do with the info I was able to drum up.

I have all the decals on and now I have a bunch of small detail work to do. I still have a ways to go on this one but the finish line is finally within sight.

BK

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 11:41 AM

LOVELY! Just fantastic, BK.  :)

They're going to look fantastic together.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, May 6, 2017 12:49 PM

So, I wrapped up this project. I took too long to do this and I am glad to have it behind me.

Overall, I didn't completely pull off what I set out to do on the -B, but I am happy with what I finished with. After painting was done I added the -E clear nav lights that came with that kit and they fit perfectly with the -B and I painted them. They look great.

I eneded up installing a resin prop and spinner as I just could not get the kit part to look correct. I did this after the paint work and therefore it is a tad off on the nose fit, but I can live with it.

I have so much changed over the kit I can't even remember what all I've done.

Let's see:

Resin pit, resin prop, scratch intakes, scratch cowl flaps, scratch wheel bays, Squadron canopy, resin exhaust, scratch tail wheel and boot, AM decals, PE pit parts and sights, clear Nav lights, resin wheels/tires, crank style pitot,...

That's what I can remember. And TONS of scratch work like a full rescribe, dyheadral correction, nose reshape, etc, etc...glad to be done.

Thanks for looking.

BK

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Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, May 6, 2017 12:54 PM

Whoops, I forgot to unmask the landing light.

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Posted by PFJN on Saturday, May 6, 2017 2:10 PM

Wow, that looks great.  I really like the early P-40's, and your "B" build looks super.

Pat

PS.  The "E" looks great too

1st Group BuildSP

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, May 6, 2017 8:14 PM

Holy cow, Brandon! That doesn't even look like the same model I'm also building! That is superbly finished!! I absolutely love how yours turned out! That AM prop was  good choice.  ;)

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by Shipwreck on Saturday, May 6, 2017 8:19 PM
Congrats on a great job Brandon!

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, May 6, 2017 8:45 PM

Well done, Brandon.

John

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Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, May 6, 2017 10:06 PM

Well done Brandon!

Sorry for asking naive questions but is that red button on the stick the gun "trigger"?

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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