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Completed: Spitfire Turns 80: 1/48 Tamiya, Eduard & Special Hobby

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Completed: Spitfire Turns 80: 1/48 Tamiya, Eduard & Special Hobby
Posted by BrandonD on Friday, March 4, 2016 11:45 AM

Tomorrow, March 5, marks the 80th anniversary of the first flight of the Spitfire, and since I seem to have wound up with a bunch of them in my stash, I decided to go ahead and build three side by side and compare them.

The kits I've chosen are all 1/48 and are Tamiya's Mk.I, Eduard's Mk. IX Weekend Edition and Special Hobby's Seafire Mk.III. My bias is toward to Eduard kit being the best, but I expect the Tamiya to hold up well and the Special Hobby to be less polished. I did buy the PE set for the Eduard kit, and I ordered a Sutton Harness for the Tamiya kit.

I'll be building the Tamiya into something early war, maybe going as late as the Battle of Britain. The other two will be the box art - the U.S. one in 1943 in Tunisia and the French Aeronavale one in 1946.

Of course, it starts with the cockpit. I drilled out the lightening holes in the fuselage ribs that hold the seats on all three kits, then proceeded to build them up to the point where I'll need to lay down primer.

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Top: Tamiya
Middle: Eduard
Bottom: Special Hobby

Each kit takes a different approach to the cockpit, and I like Eduard's best. Everything goes together so well, but it does have the highest parts count. Special Hobby did a nice job, with PE parts for the front of the seat and the tops of the rudder pedals. Tamiya is easily the simplest, with a small number of parts, but everything goes together in their typical fashion.

Parts count for what you see here:
Tamiya: 9
Eduard: 25
Special Hobby: 18

The cockpit sidewalls are also handled differently. Tamiya followed the curvature of the fuselage, which isn't nearly as accurate as the take Eduard and Special Hobby took, which is to make separate pieces for the lower portions of the fuselage interiors.

Parts count for what you see in the above two pics (counting fuselage halves)
Tamiya: 5
Eduard: 13 (counting the two parts for the tail wheel mount)
Special Hobby: 8 (And I left off one PE lever that no one would ever see)

Detail parts are varied, and while all include a separate throttle quadrant, oxygen tanks and a few other pieces, Eduard has the most separate detail parts, and its cockpit sidewalls have the most depth to them.

When it comes to fit, so far, Tamiya and Eduard are basically tied. The Tamiya seat and cockpit floor went together with slightly better snugness, but the sidewall detail attachment points were more open to the parts sitting in the wrong position. Special Hobby was pretty good, but one fuselage half was warped outward at the nose, which required significant clamping with the interior sidewall piece serving as a splint to hold it in place and bring it closer to straightness.

I think it will be fun to build these three, and they are all operated by different countries at different times in different markings, so it's sort of a one-man group build. If more of you want to join in the fun, I'd be happy to host a groupb uild that runs through the end of the year.

Thanks for looking!

-BD-

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 4, 2016 11:49 AM

Very cool BD, thanks for letting us follow along! 

I built the Tamiya kit a few years back and it's one of the best fitting, best engineered kits I've ever had the pleasure to build. I'm surprised to see the Eduard one tie it in ease of building. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by BrandonD on Friday, March 4, 2016 12:01 PM

Thanks, Gamera!

As far as ease of build, the Eduard will get more difficult. I think the exhaust pipes are over-engineered, and the cowling is a two-piece affair that makes eliminating the seam without ruining the rivet detail really difficult. Then again, the same seam will be present on both the Tamiya and Special Hobby kits, as the cowling is molded with the fuselage halves.

The other annoying part of the Eduard kit is the prop has nothing to hold it into the plane, and it falls out if you tip it. I may do something about that, but probably not.

In my opinion, the biggest advantages the Eduard kit has are the level of detail (it's 15-20 years newer than the Tamiya kit) and the separately molded control surfaces, which make the elevators easy to pose in their correct parked positions.

-BD- 

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Posted by Hunter on Friday, March 4, 2016 1:52 PM

Brandon - 

Wow, three kits at once...very impressive. I have the Tamiya kit on my "wish list" so I'll be watching every moment. I really like your informative commentary on each kit. Thank you for sharing these builds. Hope you enjoy.

Hunter 

      

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Posted by BrandonD on Friday, March 4, 2016 2:03 PM

Hunter - The Tamiya Spitfire is a solid kit. I have the Mk.Vb as well, and when dry-fitting, both go together so well that you almost don't need glue. I haven't built one yet, but if you don't want to deal with the high parts count of the Eduard kit, I would definitely recommend Tamiya. I'm not sure how the Airfix kits are (If they're new tool, I am sure they are good), but the ICM one is a bit of a chore with fit at the wing root and no alignment pins.

I was actually just going to build the Seafire, but then I thought of how easy it would be to paint all cockpits at once, and that progressed to just doing all three at once.

-BD-

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Posted by Hunter on Friday, March 4, 2016 2:27 PM

BrandonD

Hunter - The Tamiya Spitfire is a solid kit. I have the Mk.Vb as well, and when dry-fitting, both go together so well that you almost don't need glue. I haven't built one yet, but if you don't want to deal with the high parts count of the Eduard kit, I would definitely recommend Tamiya. I'm not sure how the Airfix kits are (If they're new tool, I am sure they are good), but the ICM one is a bit of a chore with fit at the wing root and no alignment pins.

I was actually just going to build the Seafire, but then I thought of how easy it would be to paint all cockpits at once, and that progressed to just doing all three at once.

-BD-

 

You are right Brandon, I just finished building the Tamiya Japanese Zero and the dry fit was so nice it almost could have been built without glue. I have read that the AirFix kit is very nice with great fit. I hope you enjoy building these kits...I know I will watching you.

Hunter 

      

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Posted by bvallot on Friday, March 4, 2016 4:42 PM

So this is where you're tied up at!! =D  Very intersting post. I love watching match-ups.  I'll be sticking around for this. 

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Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by UKguyInUSA on Friday, March 4, 2016 9:18 PM

Cool! Three in one, sweet! In recognition, i was thinking of taking a break from my 1/32 Ju 88 and building the Spitfire prototype K5054 that made the first flight on March 5th 1936, if there is a model available?

 

Have fun building them!

 

Cheers :)

Martin

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Posted by Hunter on Friday, March 4, 2016 9:30 PM

UKguyInUSA

Cool! Three in one, sweet! In recognition, i was thinking of taking a break from my 1/32 Ju 88 and building the Spitfire prototype K5054 that made the first flight on March 5th 1936, if there is a model available?

 

Have fun building them!

 

Cheers :)

Martin

 

Hello Martin - 

I did find this site of the aircraft you are looking for...little pricey

http://www.scalemodelairplanekit.com/catalog/item/8905513/10072971.htm

Website with a bio of the prototype

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=7928

Hope this helped

Hunter 

      

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, March 5, 2016 1:52 PM

A fantastic job as always!

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, March 5, 2016 2:50 PM

Noticable difference there. This will be interesting to see how each looks as they go together. Very cool.

BK

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Posted by BrandonD on Saturday, March 5, 2016 3:18 PM

Thanks for the interest, all.

I have an update on the landing gear bays (suuuper exciting, I know) and wings.

Parts count (counting lower wing)
Tamiya: 1
Eduard: 16
Special Hobby: 7

All three have the lower wing as a single part. Tamiya molded the gear bays into it (top). Eduard decided to make the gear bays complicated, but everything fits extrmely well, and theres a lot of depth and detail that the others just don't get. And it's a really easy assembly. Special Hobby left me scratching my head a bit. There are two boxy parts to house the legs, two end caps for those that have some rib detail, and two ribs, which don't close the outer section of where the wheels store.

Tamiya and Eduard both have the wheel well detail molded into the upper wings. Special Hobby seems to have phoned that part in on this one, and there is no detail. I don't really care, as mine sit on a shelf and never get seen from below, but others may want to add them in.

Parts count (Not counting lower wing or gear bay pieces)
Tamiya: 2
Eduard: 4 (+2 ailerons and weapons to come later)
Special Hobby: 6 (+2 ailerons and weapons to come later)

I got the wings together, and when laying them on top of each other, they are all almostexactly the same size. Eduard may be a bit thinner in the fuselage area, but it also goes together slightly differently at that join.

Tamiya's wings have the wintips molded to the top, and the lower wing fits flush. They went toether flawlessly, and even though the control surfaces are molded to the top and bottom, the trailing edges are nice and thin.

Eduard's top wing parts almost snapped into place. Fit was excellent, and the ailerons are molded separately, as are the wingtips. The flaps are top and bottom, but the top wing part has the 1mm-wide portion of the lower wing behind the flaps molded into it, and the trailing edge is nice and thin. The wingtips fit in with a tab, and it almost didn't need glue. (clipped wing variants can be made with this kit, using the clear plastic wingtips that give you a nice clear navigation light).

Special Hobby was significantly less polished on this part. The leading edges don't go together well at all, and there is almost an indentation instead of a rounded leading edge. This will require some putty. Also, the gun bay covers are molded separately, allowing different variants to be built from the same mold. This is fine if the parts fit, but these don't. I had to do a fair amount of trimming and test fitting before they got to where they'd fit, and then the curvature didn't match that well. I will try to hide it with putty, but this is probably going to show and look less polished. The wingtips aren't a perfect fit, either, and there's a step on one of the joins that needs cleanup. There is no locating tab, but the join itself is stepped, so it's easy to see where it goes.

The front scoops for all three are two-piece setups and all look to fit pretty well. I haven't added the Special Hobby one yet because I need to work on the wings a bit first.

Parts count (counting the covers and front scoop that will be fit later)
Tamiya: 5
Eduard: 16 (plus two PE hooks to come later just inside of the scoops)
Special Hobby: 8

Tamiya handles the scoops with a one-piece design for the small one and a three-piece design for the large one (two screens and a cover). I left the cover off for painting purposes. Perfect fit.

Eduard provides left and right sides and front and back screens for each scoop. The tops are two pieces, with separate actuator arms for open or closed positions (so, seven parts for each scoop). Fit was flawless.

Special hobby provided the small one as two parts, which took some time to get to fit correctly into the slot in the wing. It also leaves a seam that needs to be cleaned up. The larger scoop is two screens and a two-piece cover so you can position it open or clised.

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Posted by Hunter on Saturday, March 5, 2016 5:07 PM

Hey Brandon - 

I'm really starting to like the Eduard kit. Per stage of the build the Eduard has more parts than the Tamiya kit but the detail of those extra parts really make's that kit and it's detail stand out. Great WIP and very informative view of each kit. Very well done....thank you for sharing Brandon.

Hunter 

      

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, March 6, 2016 12:09 AM

Brandon - pick up the March issue of FlyPast magazine at your local Barnes & Nobles bookstore, The March issue will have features on the 80th Anniversary of the Spitfire. I know I'm getting mine soon. They may not get it right away, but watch for it in the coming weeks at least into April.

FlyPast is a U.K. based aviation magazine with tons of great articles on all kinda of aircraft. Each month they publish pages on s feature aircraft. I have several FlyPast magazines over the last couple years and I've enjoyed every one of them. Well worth getting your hands on it. Their subscription is like $75 in US dollars per year. Yikes!  

Just so you know, DON'T look for it in the model magazine section. You won't find it there. LOL! Look in the auto magazine section (Road & Track, Hot Rod, etc... well you get the idea). Most likely near Boating and / or motorcycles magazines. I usually find mine on the bottom row on the end along with other different avaition related magazines. While looking there, it's worth looking into other aviation related magazines like Aeroplane magazine for example. Even those are worth getting too. Check it out. 

 

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Posted by Toshi on Sunday, March 6, 2016 6:33 AM

Nicely done sir, I'm looking forward to your progress.

Toshi

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Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, March 7, 2016 9:25 PM
I look forward to the ride.

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Monday, March 7, 2016 9:53 PM

An ambitious project.  Can't wait to see the end results!

Chad

God, Family, Models...

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On deck: Who knows!

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Posted by UKguyInUSA on Monday, March 7, 2016 10:12 PM

Hunter
 
UKguyInUSA

Cool! Three in one, sweet! In recognition, i was thinking of taking a break from my 1/32 Ju 88 and building the Spitfire prototype K5054 that made the first flight on March 5th 1936, if there is a model available?

 

Have fun building them!

 

Cheers :)

Martin

 

 

 

Hello Martin - 

I did find this site of the aircraft you are looking for...little pricey

http://www.scalemodelairplanekit.com/catalog/item/8905513/10072971.htm

Website with a bio of the prototype

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=7928

Hope this helped

 

 

Thanks for the links Hunter, much appreciated! Damn, $225.00 is too pricey for my purse, but it would be a nice addition to a collection for an avid Spitfire fanatic.

 

Cheers Smile

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, March 8, 2016 9:14 AM

UKguyInUSA
 
Hunter
 
UKguyInUSA

Cool! Three in one, sweet! In recognition, i was thinking of taking a break from my 1/32 Ju 88 and building the Spitfire prototype K5054 that made the first flight on March 5th 1936, if there is a model available?

 

Have fun building them!

 

Cheers :)

Martin

 

 

 

Hello Martin - 

I did find this site of the aircraft you are looking for...little pricey

http://www.scalemodelairplanekit.com/catalog/item/8905513/10072971.htm

Website with a bio of the prototype

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=7928

Hope this helped

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the links Hunter, much appreciated! Damn, $225.00 is too pricey for my purse, but it would be a nice addition to a collection for an avid Spitfire fanatic.

 

Cheers Smile

 

 

You think $255 is expensive? I'd love to get me one of these for my front yard. LOL!

http://gateguardsuk.com/home/3545187

This company based in the UK makes full size Spitfire replicas as gate guards. Last I checked to inquire how much to build and ship to the USA - $20,000!!! That doesn't even include having to build a base to display it. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 8, 2016 10:25 AM

Thanks for keeping us updated on this BD! 

I'm going to have to look up one of the Eduard kits next time I have a hankering to build a Spit. I'll say that their F6F Hellcat kit that I built last year was fantastic. 

And I do have a few Special Hobby kits in the stash though I don't think a Spit though. I need to drag one out and build it one day... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Aleksander on Tuesday, March 8, 2016 12:59 PM

UKguyInUSA

Cool! Three in one, sweet! In recognition, i was thinking of taking a break from my 1/32 Ju 88 and building the Spitfire prototype K5054 that made the first flight on March 5th 1936, if there is a model available?

 Have fun building them!

 Cheers :)

Martin

 

I've found 1/48 resin AlleyCat model

Recommended!

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Posted by BrandonD on Monday, March 14, 2016 3:37 PM

Hi all,

Sorry for the lack of updates I got a little sidetracked painting a Wildcat and then was busy away from the bench.

This is a quick update on the wing of the Special Hobby Seafire. I knew that given it's a short-run kit, it wouldn't fall together like the Eduard and Tamiya ones. So I spent some time sanding, clamping, filing and filling. In the end, I had to file the surface where the wing meets the fuselage, then sand the top down to eliminate a 0.5mm step that would be a pain to fill later. Also, the ailerons were noticeably thinner than the wing, so I added 0.010" styrene sheet to the bottom and rescribed the panel lines. I also sanded and filled the seam on the oil cooler scoop. It took quite a bit of work, but it's ready for primer.

Next up is the office work.

-BD-

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Posted by BrandonD on Monday, March 14, 2016 3:47 PM

Ok, so now the office chairs.

Tamiya went together with the least work because everything fit and there's few parts. Unfortunately, they didn't see fit to provide even a decal harness, so I bought one of the textile ones from HGW. It took me about two hours to assemble, but it was worth it. I think.

Once that was assembled, I added it to the seat, then gave it a wash to dirty it up a bit. I am keeping the Tamiya pretty clean, as it's a 1940 bird and didn't have too much time to get filthy.

The Eduard harness went together well, and the seat area was easy to assemble and a joy to build. Again, this is the Weekend Edition with the PE set, which comes with the Profipack, but I purchased separately (a sale made buying the kit and PE separately a better deal than the Profipack, which doesn't have the markings I wanted anyway).

The Special Hobby seat area went together a bit differently than the other two, with the seat adjustment lever mounted to the framework behind the seat, and I had to bend it slightly to keep it from pushing the seat off-center (no biggie). Special Hobby also provided a Sutton harness in PE, but unpainted.

Now these are basically ready to go into their cockpits. And yes, I have since glued the lap belts down, as we can't have them floating like they are here. I used Micro Kristal Klear for all the PE and fabric joints.

From left to right, we have Tamiya Mk.I, Eduard Mk.IX and Special Hobby Seafire Mk.III.

Parts count:
Tamiya: 7 (plus 30 - yes, 30 - in the Sutton harness)
Eduard: 22 pictured, plus 3 to make up the behind-the-seat framework (four of which is the PE harness)
Special Hobby: 20 (of which 4 are the Sutton harness, with one harness piece still to come).

Anyway, at this point, I still give the lead to Eduard. Eduard didn't provide the top straps for the rudder pedals, but everything else goes together so well that I still give them the edge on detail and. Tamiya fit is great, but Special Hobby has more detail, so I rate it in the No. 2 spot for the cockpit.

-BD-

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 14, 2016 3:53 PM

Some really impressive work there BD.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by BrandonD on Monday, March 14, 2016 4:23 PM

Thanks, Bish!

-BD-

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Posted by BrandonD on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:15 PM

I got the rest of the offices done last night.

The Tamiya kit basically assembled itself when I blinked after dropping the cockpit in from the underside, and it's sitting on the bench now acting all smug because it has wings and the others have clamps holding them together.

The Eduard fuselage halves went together, but on test fit, there was a 1mm gap forward of the instrument panel. I ran into the same issue when I built the Mk.VIII, and I believe it has to do with the PE panel being slightly oversized (or I am mounting them too high up). That said, I filed it down some, and had to take off part of the plastic, but that made the fuselage halves come together nicely, even if I had to hold them with a clamp as I let the glue set overnight.

The Special Hobby fuselage halves are pretty warped, and after installing the cockpit, I only glue the rear part together, using tape and clamps to keep everything tight. The arrestor hook housing was a perfect drop-in fit on the lower part of the fuselage, which nicely takes away from dealing with seam work on the bottom, and the beveled edges keep it from falling into the model. I will glue the forward halves of the fuselage together tonight, add the fuel cap, and hopefully get the wings on.

Parts count:
Tamiya: 1 (plus the decal, and a one-piece gunsight to come at the end)
Eduard: 6 (3 PE parts, and 2-piece gunsight to come)
Special Hobby: 10 (4 PE parts and 3 acetate parts, with gunsight to come at the end)

Tamiya Mk.I on the left, Eduard Mk.IX in the center and Special Hobby Seafire is on the right. As far as instrumentation, I prefer the acetate gauges (Special Hobby) over painted PE (the Eduard in the center) or decals (Eduard decal on a Tamiya panel on the right) because I feel like they look the most realistic. I fudged the placard on the top right with paint, and I hit the highlights for the yellow on the right side. The compass housing was PE, and it has a nice scale look to it, I think. The silver highlights are from a Prismacolor pencil. You can see the Eduard decal didn't fit the Tamiya panel very well, but Tamiya offered neither a decal nor any raised detail on the gauges, so there's nothing for drybrushing to highlight. The way it sits in the pit makes it not noticeable that the gauges are a little off.

Parts Count (not including fuselage halves)
Tamiya: 5
Eduard: 8
Special Hobby: 6

The cockpit walls are pretty similar. The Special Hobby Seafire (on the bottom) went together like the Eduard (in the middle), and are much more accurate than the Tamiya in shape.

I had reservations about the Seafire after cracking into it, especially with the fit issues on the wings, but I'm cautiously optimistic that despite all that, it will come together nicely.

-BD-

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:39 AM
Looking sweet bud. You nailed the interior color.

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Posted by BrandonD on Saturday, March 19, 2016 2:36 AM

Thanks, Lawdog. I still haven't got them nearly as nice as yours, but it's what I aspire to.

No real updates as of now. I got the fuselages all assembled and the wings on. I'm just in seam cleanup purgatory at the moment, namely on the cowling of all three kits and the rear of the wing-to-fuselage join on the Seafire, which has a pronounced step I am working on smoothing.

Hopefully I can make good progress tomorrow, as well as pick up some paints. I seem to be lacking in Azure and Slate Gray.

-BD-

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:27 AM

You're doing a fantastic job on the trio!  I love the attention to detail, excellent.  I'm anxious to see more.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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Posted by Cdn Colin on Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:37 AM

Speaking of the upper cowl, Ultracast makes a one-piece resin block to replace the Eduard parts.

http://ultracast.ca/products/48/264/default.htm

Prices are Canadian, so it would be about 3/4 price in American.

I build 1/48 scale WW2 fighters.

Have fun.

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