Completed Hasegawa 1/72 J2M3 Raiden Jack Type 21 Plus Friends

You weren't reading my old, forgotten, and incomplete Apache thread were you??

LOL. If you can find it, look for the teddy bear. 

feldgrau23

 

 

Toshi

 

 

M. Brindos

Wow. There really is a ton of space in that pit for scratch building stuff. That pit is huge.

 

 

 

 

Yes, there is especially for someone like you.  Knowing you, you would trick this cockpit out!  

 

Toshi

 

 

 

 

Some how Toshi when you say this I can picture Mike hanging fuzzy dice around the gun sight and a hulu dancer in front of the gun sight!! LOL

 

The Raiden is coming along nicely my friend!!! Excellent work!!

 

M. Brindos

You weren't reading my old, forgotten, and incomplete Apache thread were you??

LOL. If you can find it, look for the teddy bear. 

 

Toshi

Yep.

M. Brindos

Yep.

 

 

Toshi

Love Japanese A/C. This should be fun to watch.

I'm done for this evening.  Tomorrow, I need to clean up a few things, then I can primer with the intention of applying the first coat of the Raiden!

So far at this point, I have had no fit issues at all and very little sanding of the seams. As for any putty, it is at best, non-existence.  Hasegawa has done nicely in respect to this kit even for it's age!

Toshi

tigerman

Love Japanese A/C. This should be fun to watch.

 

Toshi

Phil_H

 

 

M. Brindos

Really? I thought they were all in the same green/blue anodized color. ???

 

 

It seems the cockpit was green (Tamiya XF-71 works well for this) but other areas like the gear bays were lacquered with "aotake".

http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2010/02/aotake-part-one.html

 

Toshi

Ah ! Toshi San !

   This is welcome to me .The Jack is one of my favorites ! I will be following you very close on this one . And they're small enough to fit on my overcrowded shelves ! .  T.B.

Tanker - Builder

Ah ! Toshi San !

   This is welcome to me .The Jack is one of my favorites ! I will be following you very close on this one . And they're small enough to fit on my overcrowded shelves ! .  T.B.

 

Thank you Tanker - Builder for following my build(s).  I highly appreciate this.  

Toshi

Very nice progress Toshi. It would appear to me that you have some healthy gaps along the upper wing to fuselage joint you might want to address. My experience is that you can encounter some fit issues with these older Hasegawa kits. On the 1/72 FW 190 F-8 I built a while back I had to some healthy work on the lower fuselage where the wings attached on both the forward and rear areas.

I addressed your question concerning my Tamiya 1/72 Corsair on my my WIP thread if that's OK.

I can atest to the mind boggling debate concerning Aotake colors/use. Research on my IJN aircraft was certainly filled with debate and speculation. I think it is second only to the debate on correct Luftwaffe colors in opinions.

JOE RIX

Very nice progress Toshi. It would appear to me that you have some healthy gaps along the upper wing to fuselage joint you might want to address. My experience is that you can encounter some fit issues with these older Hasegawa kits. On the 1/72 FW 190 F-8 I built a while back I had to some healthy work on the lower fuselage where the wings attached on both the forward and rear areas.

I addressed your question concerning my Tamiya 1/72 Corsair on my my WIP thread if that's OK.

I can atest to the mind boggling debate concerning Aotake colors/use. Research on my IJN aircraft was certainly filled with debate and speculation. I think it is second only to the debate on correct Luftwaffe colors in opinions.

 

Thank you for addressing my inquiries in regards to your Tamiya 1/72 Corsair build.  I will definately be on that thread reading your reply to my questions.  

Boy, between the IJN and the RLM Luftwaffe colors, this makes an interesting build as well as a conversation.  Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule in accommodating my simple questions, I so value our conversations!

Toshi

Just like the debates over Luftwaffe colors, it seems the IJN color debates will lend itself to some "interpretation" and artistic lisence.

To me, that means there is a bit of freedom when working with my builds.  :D

These conversations do make for some very interesting reads. Can't help that I like these types of topics lol.

:)  waiting to see what comes up next!

M. Brindos

Just like the debates over Luftwaffe colors, it seems the IJN color debates will lend itself to some "interpretation" and artistic lisence.

To me, that means there is a bit of freedom when working with my builds.  :D

These conversations do make for some very interesting reads. Can't help that I like these types of topics lol.

:)  waiting to see what comes up next!

 

1) Interpretation

2) Artistic license 

This reminds me of the Corsair brought up in one of the Great Lakes.  All of a sudden, the section of the Corsairs interior is now salmon pink.  I don't know about how other forum members feel about salmon pink but, green zinc chromate just happens to be the color I choose to utilize.  Why?  Because most importantly more than anything else, I'm having fun!  LOL!  I mean no disrespect for those that build for accuracy.

Toshi

Salmon Pink?? That must have been some weird faded Red Oxide of some sort. I've never heard of them using that color in a cockpit before.

Makes me think about just how much we really know about such highly documented subjects. ???

M. Brindos

Salmon Pink?? That must have been some weird faded Red Oxide of some sort. I've never heard of them using that color in a cockpit before.

Makes me think about just how much we really know about such highly documented subjects. ???

 

Toshi

So this is what I have.  The cockpit color is:

XF-5 : 2 (Flat Green)

+XF-8 : 1 (Flat Blue)

Which looks to me like a bluish green zinc chromate.

The tail end is:

X-17 : 5 (Pink)

+X-21 : 2 (Flat Base)

+XF-9 : 1 (Hull Red)

So your statement of the red being corroded over time makes sense in that it turned pink.

Toshi

Interesting....

If it were Iron Oxide however, it would turn brown over time. Just as the the iron in our blood does when exposed to oxygen. So it's obviously not an Iron Oxide coating. So I'm really trying to figure out if they used a red paint or if it was an orange paint of some type. Obviously the red pigment was dominate if it turned pink, but the descriptive word "Salmon" suggests a possibly orange color that faded to pink. Since our aircraft industry was quite fond of using orange paints to draw attention to important things, this doesn't seem overly out of place. Its just weird that no one had ever heard of it before they dredged up that plane. And why paint an entire tail wheel bay in such a manner?

This is really a curiosity to me.

M. Brindos

Interesting....

If it were Iron Oxide however, it would turn brown over time. Just as the the iron in our blood does when exposed to oxygen. So it's obviously not an Iron Oxide coating. So I'm really trying to figure out if they used a red paint or if it was an orange paint of some type. Obviously the red pigment was dominate if it turned pink, but the descriptive word "Salmon" suggests a possibly orange color that faded to pink. Since our aircraft industry was quite fond of using orange paints to draw attention to important things, this doesn't seem overly out of place. Its just weird that no one had ever heard of it before they dredged up that plane. And why paint an entire tail wheel bay in such a manner?

This is really a curiosity to me.

 

Toshi

I wasn't asking you to explain it to me, Toshi. LOL!

I was just thinking about it, that's all. lolOLOLOLOL.

Toshi

 

 

M. Brindos

Interesting....

If it were Iron Oxide however, it would turn brown over time. Just as the the iron in our blood does when exposed to oxygen. So it's obviously not an Iron Oxide coating. So I'm really trying to figure out if they used a red paint or if it was an orange paint of some type. Obviously the red pigment was dominate if it turned pink, but the descriptive word "Salmon" suggests a possibly orange color that faded to pink. Since our aircraft industry was quite fond of using orange paints to draw attention to important things, this doesn't seem overly out of place. Its just weird that no one had ever heard of it before they dredged up that plane. And why paint an entire tail wheel bay in such a manner?

This is really a curiosity to me.

 

 

 

 

To all your questions and statements; "I don't know what to tell you"!  I'm sorry.  I can only do more research into this strange phenomenon!  Maybe there's some one out there that has an answer?  HELP!

 

Toshi

 

I found your conversation regarding salmon pink interior surfaces on the Corsair to be interesting, so I did a bit of looking online. I found this article:

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/05/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us_part3.htm

This is an article that appears to be chock full of good information, although I cannot comment on its accuracy.

M.Brindos, this is the article I got the information from.  It's been available for sometime.  If you ever come my way, I'll pick up some of your favorite drinks and we can talk all day and night while I cook for you!  

Toshi

Toshi

If memory serves me correct, I read about that Corsair and was noted in the article that it had a pink/red primer instead of the usual zinc chromate green often seen. This was due to either being a very early Corsair or a surviving one with the unusual original colors still intact (kind of). I'm sure there was corrosion and fading from time and the elements.

I read the link you posted is an excellent one and sounds pretty close to what I remember reading a while back so looks like the birdcage Corsairs had this pinkish or salmon color for internal corrosion protection.

The Jack is coming along great so good work there.

To PlasticJunkie,

I purchased the Tamiya 1/32 Birdcage Corsair when I first started to build.  That was one of the first articles I pulled up as I couldn't understand why the Tamiya assembly sheet was asking me to mix paint up that looked like pink and not green zinc chromate!  LOL!  

That is a VERY helpful article! It even gave me some insight on how to paint the Revell Dauntless I picked up yesterday.

Thank you for posting that link!

 Wow, what an interesting conversation in regards from IJN interior colors as well as one on F4U Corsairs.  That's why this forum is such a great place to be a part of.  

Below is how far I've gotten with the Raiden build.

Ahh that grasshopper looks great Toshi!

What color green did you use for that?

Toshi

 

 

tigerman

Love Japanese A/C. This should be fun to watch.

 

 

 

 

I'm glad I can be accommodating for you as you show your affinity with IJN Aircraft like this Raiden as an example.  Thank you so very much for following this build, and your read and reply!

 

Toshi

 

I have a Hasegawa Zero 1/48 started and a Hasegawa Frank ad Jill in my stash. My only planes.