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1/48 Monogram/Revell (Monovell) P-40B - Completed pg. 6

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, April 21, 2017 1:36 PM

As of last night, and after more digging, I found that some of the 33rd PS did indeed have red noses.

You can never have enough research!

Shipwreck, you may have been seeing green zinc. All of the early P-40's, for instance, used green zinc , but from the -E onward they definitely used yellow zinc. So keep digging if you want to be possitive. It could also be aluminum on a P-47D.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Friday, April 21, 2017 6:19 AM

Talking about b&w, I am researching color call outs for a P-47D Razorback. The IPMS document calls for Zinc Chromate Yellow for the inside of the wheel well doors, all museum planes that I have seen are Zinc Chromate Yellow; but what color is it in b&w? Well, looking at period photos it looks like light grey to a dark color similar to the olive drab upper surface. You just cannot tell! So, I will go with a dirty dull Zinc Chromate Yellow!

I am now about ready to lay down the first coat of camouflage on my B-26. the period photos show me little about the olive drab color; but they do show me something about weathering and paint chipping!

If anyone does not have the IPMS Camouflage articles, there are three of them and they are located at:

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/01/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us.htm

Have fun!

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:21 PM

At the same time, you can't always trust colored b&w photos either. Earlier I found a colored b&w of an a/c from the 8th PG 33rd PS with a red nose when all other references to east coast PG's and the 33rd PS show yellow noses.

So you really have to dig for good material to work from. You can't trust just one source, which admittedly, I do have a problem with doing.

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Posted by richs26 on Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:51 PM

Shipwreck

That is a good point Byron. I never go to a museum piece for color references. For example, I am working on a B-26 Marauder. If you look at the interior of most of the B-26s setting in the museums you will find some sort of interior green everyplace. However all indications are that G. L. Martin did not use it on their bombers!

 

Exactly that, Shipwreck.  You have to look at museum pieces with a very critical eye.  Have they been "restored", or just cleaned up and preserved, ala Flakbait.  Here is an example of a B-26 having NMF interior.  It is the picture of the flak hit in the nose.  You can read the Alcoa ink stamping on the aluminum plate:

https://www.nps.gov/aleu/learn/photosmultimedia/73rd-bomber-squadron.htm

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Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:12 PM

Thanks a bunch, BK! I need to clear it and start working on the details next. Where I'm at now (in-laws) I didn't bring all of my stuff with me so I'm kinda stuck for now lol.

I' m quite pleased with my progress so far. :)

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Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:18 PM

That is looking SO good.

BK

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:09 PM

Wing walks painted with Daler Rowny and exhaust and gun stains applied with Tamiya Smoke.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:46 PM

Top row are all -E's and the bottom is a -B... from a flight training school? Neat! That's a cool subject!

Thanks, BK!  :)

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Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:27 PM

I found this photo of Pearl  with a row of P-40s. All are painted  EXCEPT the first one, which looks to me to be NMF. Kinda cool looking.

BK

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:17 PM

Research is what has determined my choice in painting my P-40. It didn't take much to dig up pictures of the 8th PG. The 33rd squadron was the only one with yellow noses. The markings are a little different than the kit supplied, but they will work for my build.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:13 PM

That is a good point Byron. I never go to a museum piece for color references. For example, I am working on a B-26 Marauder. If you look at the interior of most of the B-26s setting in the museums you will find some sort of interior green everyplace. However all indications are that G. L. Martin did not use it on their bombers!

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Kinetic 1/48 YF-104A 5-2957

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep & Reasearch

 

 

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:23 PM

Regarding the P-40B and a natural metal finish, I think there's confusion today, because Planes of Fame has a restored P-40C, finished in natural metal, with pre-war Army Air Corps markings.  There are a lot of images of it, and one can get the impression that it's an authentic reconstruction.  It's like the FM-1 or FM-2 Wildcats that are finished in yellow wings colors.  It looks cool, and the owners can do what they want.  But if you're looking for references, you need to be careful and aware.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:25 PM

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:21 PM

Modulation completed.  :)

Not horrible.  :)

 

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Posted by Toshi on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:29 PM

M. Brindos

O.D. is on and the modulation has begun.  :)

Its coming together now.  :) 

 

 

 

It definitely is.

Toshi

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:50 PM

O.D. is on and the modulation has begun.  :)

Its coming together now.  :) 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:40 PM

Toshi

Sorry about that NMF comment, I just was not myself.  Your recovery is just awesome!  I'm looking forward on how this comes out.

Toshi

 

There is no need for an appology, my friend. I can imagine a couple of reasons for the confusion. So don't worry about it.

I think it will turn out pretty good.  :)

If not, I'll fix it. Lol

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:37 PM

the Baron

Nice recovery from that little accident!  I think it worked out for the better, because the rails and other work on the canopy make it look better than the original one.  The colors are coming out nicely, too.

 

I do seem to have a talent for recovery, lol. But then, I do mess up a lot. I don't mention it much, but it happens more than I'd like. 

The color is Vallejo for the bottom, but I'm going with Tamiya for the upper. The Vallejo O.D. is much darker than the Tamiya O.D. which has influenced my choice for this subject. 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:29 PM

tempestjohnny
Bottom looks great with the color
 

Thanks Johnny. I agree! :)  I had to pass on the opportunity to go crazy on weathering and fading because the pre war A/C were well maintained and clean. But for me, just laying down a solid color wouldn't be as much fun lol.

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Posted by Toshi on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 4:39 PM

Sorry about that NMF comment, I just was not myself.  Your recovery is just awesome!  I'm looking forward on how this comes out.

Toshi

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 3:37 PM

Nice recovery from that little accident!  I think it worked out for the better, because the rails and other work on the canopy make it look better than the original one.  The colors are coming out nicely, too.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:50 AM
Bottom looks great with the color

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:54 PM

Neutral grey has now been applied to the undersides. I only did a very light touch of modulation just to break up the monotony. I'll use the same effect with the O.D. On the topside later when this paint cures up for a few more hours.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:15 PM

NMF?? She's going to be O.D. my friend. Most pre-war P-40's were O.D.

The XP-40 was NMF,  but it has a different profile.

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Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:55 AM

Primer looks great, can't wait to see that NMF on it!

Toshi

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Posted by M. Brindos on Monday, April 17, 2017 10:56 PM

So this evening I set about to get the nose and tail masked and reprimed. I also masked and started to blend in the windscreen with Squadron and Bondo putties.

 

Once I sorted all that out I started in on the landing struts and tail wheel (adding a metal pin to it for better strength, now that its been broken).

 

After more sanding on the windscreen tomorrow and another blast of primer, I should be ready for some paint. I guess we'll see, eh? Lol

 

 

Thanks for checkin in!  :)

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 16, 2017 1:27 PM

Thanks, Mississippi. I'm so glad the damage wasnt far greater. :)

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Posted by mississippivol on Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:08 PM
Dittos on the save. Great job on the rudder stripes!
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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:43 PM

Thanks. I hope to make it look better lol.

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Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:29 PM

Nice save. It is looking quite good.

BK

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