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Posted by jimbot58 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:46 AM

Hello all.

As you can see below, I finally redid my signature and my badges. Unfortunately, I realize now I left off this one! I guess I do it again later.

Other work:

Phantom masking:

More masking and tacking masked canopies in place:

All painted up. The canopy isn't mounted down tight as it will be posed open later.

I set it aside as I prefer to let gloss paint cure for at least a week before handling. That's why a person needs two projects at once sometimes.

Also, while I had the Micro Krystal Klear out, I pulled this guy down to re-attach the canopies I had knocked loose a while back. I was concerned about losing them!

I haven't decided if I am going to use the Master Model parts for the RF-4 or not. I might save them for the F-4E that's waiting in the wings to be built. I made this pitot tube for the "G" and it isn't too bad....

I also started the tedious process of washing those panel lines on the Voodoo. I find the paint went on a little thicker in some areas and I found some of the panel lines a little shallow to accept the wash. I tried using a piece of Kroy label tape as a straight edge (made less tacky by sticking to my fingers several times to avoid lifting paint up) and a #11 blade dragged backwards along the line, creates a groove in the paint. You can see where I need to even up a few areas on the tail.

I was also looking over the available decals I have for this kit. First I looked at the Revell-Monogram set and rejected them: They are sparse, lack detail and the red areas are out of register:

Seriously, what does this say?????

This is the set from the older Revell of Germany kit. Better, and it offers the option of a Canadian Voodoo. Maybe I'll do a future Voodoo in "Canuck" markings. Testors did offer a "Canadian Voodoo Grey", though I understand they have discontinued it. I'll have to check a little hole-in-the-wall shop I know of that actually has a lot of these paints.....

The most recent Revell of Germany are much better, and I have a choice of Texas or Oregon ANG markings.

Much better, yes?

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:00 AM

Nice work Jim. Got to love those old decals.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Striker8241 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:18 AM

jimbot58

Hello all.

As you can see below, I finally redid my signature and my badges. Unfortunately, I realize now I left off this one! I guess I do it again later.

Other work:

Phantom masking:

More masking and tacking masked canopies in place:

All painted up. The canopy isn't mounted down tight as it will be posed open later.

I set it aside as I prefer to let gloss paint cure for at least a week before handling. That's why a person needs two projects at once sometimes.

Also, while I had the Micro Krystal Klear out, I pulled this guy down to re-attach the canopies I had knocked loose a while back. I was concerned about losing them!

I haven't decided if I am going to use the Master Model parts for the RF-4 or not. I might save them for the F-4E that's waiting in the wings to be built. I made this pitot tube for the "G" and it isn't too bad....

I also started the tedious process of washing those panel lines on the Voodoo. I find the paint went on a little thicker in some areas and I found some of the panel lines a little shallow to accept the wash. I tried using a piece of Kroy label tape as a straight edge (made less tacky by sticking to my fingers several times to avoid lifting paint up) and a #11 blade dragged backwards along the line, creates a groove in the paint. You can see where I need to even up a few areas on the tail.

I was also looking over the available decals I have for this kit. First I looked at the Revell-Monogram set and rejected them: They are sparse, lack detail and the red areas are out of register:

Seriously, what does this say?????

This is the set from the older Revell of Germany kit. Better, and it offers the option of a Canadian Voodoo. Maybe I'll do a future Voodoo in "Canuck" markings. Testors did offer a "Canadian Voodoo Grey", though I understand they have discontinued it. I'll have to check a little hole-in-the-wall shop I know of that actually has a lot of these paints.....

The most recent Revell of Germany are much better, and I have a choice of Texas or Oregon ANG markings.

Much better, yes?

Jim

Beautiful paint jobs, Jim. That pitot tube on the F-4 looks absolutely perfect!

Russ

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:39 AM

Russ: Looks good, really good! The Revell of Germany decals are a distinct improvement.

I am curious though- I don't apply the wash until the very last, after I've taken off all the masking and put the decals on. Do you find it easier this way?

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:19 AM

Thanks, Cliff, but this is Jimbot's project Big Smile. And I agree! I'd like to know too, Jim.

 

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Posted by jimbot58 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:37 AM

Gamera

Russ: Looks good, really good! The Revell of Germany decals are a distinct improvement.

I am curious though- I don't apply the wash until the very last, after I've taken off all the masking and put the decals on. Do you find it easier this way?

To be completely honest, I don't know why I started it in this order. I may have made a mistake as the wash could interfere with the decal process. I've had a lot on my mind lately and didn't think ahead!

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:12 AM

Thanks Jim, I was just interested since I'm always trying to figure out better easier ways to do things from other people.

And sorry, guess when I get to work half-asleep and trying to respond to a half-dozen posts I'm not surprised I tend to get names mixed up. My apologies guys.

BTW: I mentioned the missile at the transportation museum where we hold our IPMS meetings sometime back. I assume it's some sort of Navy weapon since it doesn't have fins on the bottom but otherwise not sure what sort it is:

  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:52 PM

Hey, no problem guy!   We've all done it Big Smile.

Russ

 

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:34 PM

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Russ,

One thing that I forgot to mention is that I have an 8mm film that my Dad shot while riding in a C-123B over Vietnam.  Some pretty cool footage.

Ken

Wow, that would be cool! Do you have it converted to VHS or disk?  I have some footage from a C-123 too and from a C-130 that I need to get converted.

Cheers,

Russ

Awesome Russ!  As a matter of fact, I do have it converted to DVD.  I will have to figure out how to post it on YouTube then everyone can take a look.  The first major portion of the video is of the Saigon Zoo, which is not all that interesting.  But then the rest of it has some pretty cool stuff.

Ken

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    November 2010
  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:42 PM

jimbot58

Hello all.

As you can see below, I finally redid my signature and my badges. Unfortunately, I realize now I left off this one! I guess I do it again later.

Other work:

Phantom masking:

More masking and tacking masked canopies in place:

All painted up. The canopy isn't mounted down tight as it will be posed open later.

I set it aside as I prefer to let gloss paint cure for at least a week before handling. That's why a person needs two projects at once sometimes.

Also, while I had the Micro Krystal Klear out, I pulled this guy down to re-attach the canopies I had knocked loose a while back. I was concerned about losing them!

I haven't decided if I am going to use the Master Model parts for the RF-4 or not. I might save them for the F-4E that's waiting in the wings to be built. I made this pitot tube for the "G" and it isn't too bad....

I also started the tedious process of washing those panel lines on the Voodoo. I find the paint went on a little thicker in some areas and I found some of the panel lines a little shallow to accept the wash. I tried using a piece of Kroy label tape as a straight edge (made less tacky by sticking to my fingers several times to avoid lifting paint up) and a #11 blade dragged backwards along the line, creates a groove in the paint. You can see where I need to even up a few areas on the tail.

I was also looking over the available decals I have for this kit. First I looked at the Revell-Monogram set and rejected them: They are sparse, lack detail and the red areas are out of register:

Seriously, what does this say?????

This is the set from the older Revell of Germany kit. Better, and it offers the option of a Canadian Voodoo. Maybe I'll do a future Voodoo in "Canuck" markings. Testors did offer a "Canadian Voodoo Grey", though I understand they have discontinued it. I'll have to check a little hole-in-the-wall shop I know of that actually has a lot of these paints.....

The most recent Revell of Germany are much better, and I have a choice of Texas or Oregon ANG markings.

Much better, yes?

Jim

Great job Jim!  Thanks for the tips on how to scribe those lines.  The wash really makes the details pop!  The masking looks pretty good too.  I know how tedious that must be, especially in 1/72 scale.  I would also agree about the decals, big difference!

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:54 PM

Gamera

Thanks Jim, I was just interested since I'm always trying to figure out better easier ways to do things from other people.

And sorry, guess when I get to work half-asleep and trying to respond to a half-dozen posts I'm not surprised I tend to get names mixed up. My apologies guys.

BTW: I mentioned the missile at the transportation museum where we hold our IPMS meetings sometime back. I assume it's some sort of Navy weapon since it doesn't have fins on the bottom but otherwise not sure what sort it is:

  

Hi Cliff,

I know what you mean about lack of sleep.  I was up until 3 AM this morning working on the servers at work.

As to the kind of missile that is, I am by no means an expert, but it looks like an old Jupiter Missile.

Ken

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  • From: California
Posted by mikeymize on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:14 PM

Just got caught up on some of the posts here and it looks like we all the same story as to our early days of modeling. Mine were all Monogram and Revell and only later was I able to get any Tamiya stuff. Only glue I had was Testors red tube and all my paints were in square bottles. Anyone else remember Pactra paints?

I think nowadays we have more options than before as well as a little more cash to blow on these things. Still I can't help thinking even just doing the basics for most younger people now would involve too much time that short attention spans can't handle. Just too many distractors that we didn't have. You can tell we're all getting' old! LOL

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by jimbot58 on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:00 AM

mikeymize

Just got caught up on some of the posts here and it looks like we all the same story as to our early days of modeling. Mine were all Monogram and Revell and only later was I able to get any Tamiya stuff. Only glue I had was Testors red tube and all my paints were in square bottles. Anyone else remember Pactra paints?

I think nowadays we have more options than before as well as a little more cash to blow on these things. Still I can't help thinking even just doing the basics for most younger people now would involve too much time that short attention spans can't handle. Just too many distractors that we didn't have. You can tell we're all getting' old! LOL

Do I remember Pactra paints? Of course! I think that was mostly what was available around here then! Oddly enough, I Googled Pactra and ran across this:

This was the exact set I started with! I mean, look at all those colors! A boy could paint just about anything with this set! Any color he could possibly need was there! I found pictures of a few other sets as well:

Notice the whopping price of 98 cents! I think I used to buy individual bottles at something like 12 or 15 cents each.

I also remember the cool embossed bottles with the "P" in the center for Pactra!

There was a model train shop here that's gone now that sometimes would have items from estate sales. I saw these there and bought them because I thought they were interesting. Not the original Pactra bottles though!

Notice the Plasti-Kote Company brand name on it. That would be before Testors bought it and killed it, just like Floquil Military paints, and Polly-scale. The Pactra name only was used recently as paints for Lexan and polycarbonite bodies on R/C cars. Now they have discontinued that as well.

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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    June 2009
Posted by jimbot58 on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:20 AM

I rethought my process on the Voodoo after you guys had commented on it (I'm glad you did!) and realized I had gotten way ahead of myself. First thing was to get the masking tape off the area around the exhaust. I found I had broken a cardinal rule about leaving masking tape on way too long and, when removed, discovered I had a gummy, sticky mess under it! I was able to clean it up though, by carefully using a Q-tip and mineral spirits.

The next step was to finish painting details. Here I'm doing the speed brake opening on one side and being careful to avoid any possible over spray. I kind of feel  like a surgeon, with all the masking and cloths draped over it:

And, lesson learned, I immediately removed the masking after airbrushing the red:

I don't know if you guys use it, but I find I am totally addicted to Tamiya masking tape! Don't know how I got along without it. I had to run to Hobbytown over the weekend as I had run out of the 6mm size and was stopped in my tracks! I use the 6mm and 10mm.

Also I removed all the masking and silly putty I had in the wheel wells, but didn't picture it here.

Happy modeling!

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 6:04 AM

mikeymize

Just got caught up on some of the posts here and it looks like we all the same story as to our early days of modeling. Mine were all Monogram and Revell and only later was I able to get any Tamiya stuff. Only glue I had was Testors red tube and all my paints were in square bottles. Anyone else remember Pactra paints?

I think nowadays we have more options than before as well as a little more cash to blow on these things. Still I can't help thinking even just doing the basics for most younger people now would involve too much time that short attention spans can't handle. Just too many distractors that we didn't have. You can tell we're all getting' old! LOL

Yes, the good ole days.  Funny, when I first started, we were living in Okinawa and the models I started on were Tamiya and Hasegawa and probably a few other Japanese brands that I don't remember.  The models were very inexpensive in American money.  Then when we moved back to the states and then it was Revell, Monogram, and Aurora.

As far as glue, at Okinawa I could not give you the name because it was all in Japanese.  Here in the states it was Testors tube along with the square Testors paint and paint brushes.

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:49 AM

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Russ,

One thing that I forgot to mention is that I have an 8mm film that my Dad shot while riding in a C-123B over Vietnam.  Some pretty cool footage.

Ken

Wow, that would be cool! Do you have it converted to VHS or disk?  I have some footage from a C-123 too and from a C-130 that I need to get converted.

Cheers,

Russ

Awesome Russ!  As a matter of fact, I do have it converted to DVD.  I will have to figure out how to post it on YouTube then everyone can take a look.  The first major portion of the video is of the Saigon Zoo, which is not all that interesting.  But then the rest of it has some pretty cool stuff.

Ken

That'd be great, Ken! Looking forward to seeing it!

Russ

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 7:21 PM

Jim: Wow that's some masking! I'll admit that masking is one of the things I hate the most - I'm really getting into US tanks that are olive drab all over recently! I love the Tamiya tape, great stuff. Have you used the 3M blue masking tape though? Low tack and I haven't had any problems with residue yet.

Ken: Those sound pretty darn cool- I'd love to see that video footage too.

Pactra paints were a little before my time but I remember buying those little bottles of Testor's paint from the local Ben Franklin's for fifty-nine cents or so. And then trying to paint stuff with those awful little white plastic brushes they sell. I think I still have a few of those original bottles around somewhere.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:38 PM

Hi Everyone,

I am currently uploading the video to YouTube that my Dad filmed in Vietnam.  I will post a link to it when it is finished.

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:46 PM

Hi Everyone,

Here is the link to the video:

And I will narrate it.

It starts off with some site seeing around Saigon. Then to the Saigon Zoo.  After that, a pretty cool looking clock in the side of a mound.  If you look closely, you can see the date spelled out in the flowers.  Then more site seeing around Saigon.  Then back to the zoo.  Here you will see Boy Scouts visiting the zoo.  Then a street artist.

Finally we are in the C-123B flying over Saigon and beyond.  (You can see from the engines and wing that it is a C-123.)  Watch carefully, and you will see a FAC plane (I think a Bird Dog) flying below.

Then we are back on the ground at what I believe is either Da Nang Air Base or Nha Trang Air Base.  You will see a C-47 with Vietnam Air Force markings and service men with M-16 rifles.

Finally we are back at Tan Son Nhut Air Base and get to see several RF-101Cs as they head out toward the main runway.  Then we watch a pair of RF-101s as they take off!  Then the video finishes with a view of a line of RF-101Cs.

If you look carefully once the video is at Tan Son Nhut Air Base, you can see several different planes in the background.

Ken

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:29 PM

Hey thanks Ken for sharing this with us, heck of a time capsule there!

Was your dad in the clip or was he behind the camera the whole time?

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:51 PM

Gamera

Hey thanks Ken for sharing this with us, heck of a time capsule there!

Was your dad in the clip or was he behind the camera the whole time?

He was behind the camera the whole time.  I do have a few stills.

Ken 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:10 PM

Wow Ken, very cool! Again thanks for sharing with us!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by jimbot58 on Thursday, May 1, 2014 2:31 AM

Son Of Medicine Man

Gamera

Hey thanks Ken for sharing this with us, heck of a time capsule there!

Was your dad in the clip or was he behind the camera the whole time?

He was behind the camera the whole time.  I do have a few stills.

Ken 

Cool stuff Ken, Esp the photos with the Voodoo and the D. Daggers in the background!

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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    June 2009
Posted by jimbot58 on Thursday, May 1, 2014 2:38 AM

Gamera

Jim: Wow that's some masking! I'll admit that masking is one of the things I hate the most - I'm really getting into US tanks that are olive drab all over recently! I love the Tamiya tape, great stuff. Have you used the 3M blue masking tape though? Low tack and I haven't had any problems with residue yet.

Ken: Those sound pretty darn cool- I'd love to see that video footage too.

Pactra paints were a little before my time but I remember buying those little bottles of Testor's paint from the local Ben Franklin's for fifty-nine cents or so. And then trying to paint stuff with those awful little white plastic brushes they sell. I think I still have a few of those original bottles around somewhere.

Aggghhh! You speak of paints you bought for fifty-nine cents and I speak of fifteen cents! Now I really feel old! Just for that, I'm taking my walker and leaving!   

Right after a little nap........

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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    November 2010
  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:49 AM

jimbot58

Gamera

Jim: Wow that's some masking! I'll admit that masking is one of the things I hate the most - I'm really getting into US tanks that are olive drab all over recently! I love the Tamiya tape, great stuff. Have you used the 3M blue masking tape though? Low tack and I haven't had any problems with residue yet.

Ken: Those sound pretty darn cool- I'd love to see that video footage too.

Pactra paints were a little before my time but I remember buying those little bottles of Testor's paint from the local Ben Franklin's for fifty-nine cents or so. And then trying to paint stuff with those awful little white plastic brushes they sell. I think I still have a few of those original bottles around somewhere.

Aggghhh! You speak of paints you bought for fifty-nine cents and I speak of fifteen cents! Now I really feel old! Just for that, I'm taking my walker and leaving!   

Right after a little nap........

Jim

What was that?  What did you say?  Speak up, I can't hear you!  Big Smile

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Thursday, May 1, 2014 1:03 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Here is the link to the video:

And I will narrate it.

It starts off with some site seeing around Saigon. Then to the Saigon Zoo.  After that, a pretty cool looking clock in the side of a mound.  If you look closely, you can see the date spelled out in the flowers.  Then more site seeing around Saigon.  Then back to the zoo.  Here you will see Boy Scouts visiting the zoo.  Then a street artist.

Finally we are in the C-123B flying over Saigon and beyond.  (You can see from the engines and wing that it is a C-123.)  Watch carefully, and you will see a FAC plane (I think a Bird Dog) flying below.

Then we are back on the ground at what I believe is either Da Nang Air Base or Nha Trang Air Base.  You will see a C-47 with Vietnam Air Force markings and service men with M-16 rifles.

Finally we are back at Tan Son Nhut Air Base and get to see several RF-101Cs as they head out toward the main runway.  Then we watch a pair of RF-101s as they take off!  Then the video finishes with a view of a line of RF-101Cs.

If you look carefully once the video is at Tan Son Nhut Air Base, you can see several different planes in the background.

Ken

Great film, Ken! I know you can hear your father again when you watch it. Thanks for sharing it with us!

I suspect those C-47s were at Nha Trang. The mountains look like the ones close in behind the base. There were mountains in the distance from Da Nang but none would show that high from that angle on the ground.

Cheers,

Russ

 

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 1, 2014 2:57 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

jimbot58

Gamera

Jim: Wow that's some masking! I'll admit that masking is one of the things I hate the most - I'm really getting into US tanks that are olive drab all over recently! I love the Tamiya tape, great stuff. Have you used the 3M blue masking tape though? Low tack and I haven't had any problems with residue yet.

Ken: Those sound pretty darn cool- I'd love to see that video footage too.

Pactra paints were a little before my time but I remember buying those little bottles of Testor's paint from the local Ben Franklin's for fifty-nine cents or so. And then trying to paint stuff with those awful little white plastic brushes they sell. I think I still have a few of those original bottles around somewhere.

Aggghhh! You speak of paints you bought for fifty-nine cents and I speak of fifteen cents! Now I really feel old! Just for that, I'm taking my walker and leaving!   

Right after a little nap........

Jim

What was that?  What did you say?  Speak up, I can't hear you!  Big Smile

Ken

BAH!!! I remember when we carved our own models out of wood using a sharp rock!!! See this big one with animal hair on it is a wooly mammoth and the small pointy one is a saber-tooth!!! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:14 PM

Striker8241

Great film, Ken! I know you can hear your father again when you watch it. Thanks for sharing it with us!

I suspect those C-47s were at Nha Trang. The mountains look like the ones close in behind the base. There were mountains in the distance from Da Nang but none would show that high from that angle on the ground.

Cheers,

Russ

 

 

Hi Russ,

I am glad you enjoyed it.  Thank you for clarifying which air base that was!  You don't know how much I really appreciate that!  I knew from the still pictures he took that he as at both Nha Trang and Da Nang.

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:17 PM

Gamera

 

BAH!!! I remember when we carved our own models out of wood using a sharp rock!!! See this big one with animal hair on it is a wooly mammoth and the small pointy one is a saber-tooth!!! 

Way too funny!!  LMAO!  Big Smile 

Ken

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Posted by mikeymize on Thursday, May 1, 2014 6:13 PM

Thanks for posting the link to that video Ken. That was a thankless job in many ways and a lot of those guys took it on the chin. All that can be done now is be grateful for the sacrifices they made for so many others and remember them always.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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