MIG Killers II Group Build 11/08-11/09

I got some work done last night on my Eagle.

I completed the main fuselage assembly, gotta fill and sand now, and there are some real doozies!

I am pretty impressed with this kit....it may not be up to Tamiya standards...but considering I bought it for less than 20 bucks at a show last year, you can't beat it. THe only downside is the canopy....the kit I have is the one that came with the ASAT missle, and the canopy is super dark....and the Eglin triple killer is clear.

Hey all-this is a very knowledgable group here, so......does anyone have detail info on a OV-1A Mohawk that downed a Mig-17 (I think) over Vietnam?  I've done a couple of quick searches, but can't find the detail info-i.e., unit, number, etc.

Thanks

edit-well, I found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OV-1_Mohawk

Provided the pilot's name, Capt. Kevin Lee, but no other info, i.e. S/N, unit, etc.  So now I think I'll shift gears and look for something else.  Probably gonna be either an F4-E, F-105F or maybe an F-16.  I plan on doing some shopping over the holidays next weekend, so I should be able to come-up with something.

Hey Bob,

I found the OV-1 Association website. I emailed the sites historian for any info on a MiG Killer OV-1....I'll let you know what it comes up with.

Thanks Paul.  With a little luck, the Roden kit will have the correct S/N....or at least the correct combination for a mix & match.  Not sure of other decals out there for the Mohawk-I know that Two Bobs (anybody named 'Bob' has to be alright )-not sure of any others.

Worst case is that I will go with the F-105F or F4-E, both at my LHS-a chance to support the local economy.....

I dont think I am going to get to start my "C" Bug until at least February or March. The Super Bug is going real slow due to the weather. I hope to get a heater soon for the workbench and then maybe I can make some progress and get my Super Bug done before Christmas or after New Years. Then hopefully start my "C" Bug.

Rand,

Was reading on the acig site and saw that the Iranians got some kills with their F-14's.  I've found a sheet with some Iranian F14's and since the acig site doesn't provide much unit info, was wondering if I could do a kind of generic representation.  I've found a book on F-14 units in Iranian service and may be able to piece together the appropriate markings.

I picked up the following kit from my LHS-it had been sitting on their shelf for a while and it really needed a home.....

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/rm/kit_rm_f-4e.shtml

Constructor-I know what you mean by the number of decals-that will be a couple day affair-I don't think I could handle the 1/72nd decals-1/48th will be hard enough.

Reasonably priced too, I might add-$24.-  The same LHS also has the Monogram 105F/G 1/48th kit that has been calling my name, so I think it may find a home after Thanksgiving.  Now I just need to decide which kit to build.....Also, there is an Acadmey 1/48th F-16A at the Hobby Lobby that would look good in IAF markings and I do have a 40% off coupon.....

lewbud wrote:

Rand, Was reading on the acig site and saw that the Iranians got some kills with their F-14's.  I've found a sheet with some Iranian F14's and since the acig site doesn't provide much unit info, was wondering if I could do a kind of generic representation.  I've found a book on F-14 units in Iranian service and may be able to piece together the appropriate markings.

Lew,

Basicly the only decals you need are the IRIAF markings and the BuNo Number of the aircraft. I wouldnt worry to much about squadon or unit markings. I just looked at the acig Iranian victories data base and in the third column from the left, lists the unit or squadron the aircraft was assigned to.

http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=47

Here is some more interesting info I found about IRIAF F-14's:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0077.shtml

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-squadron-iiaf.htm

I hope this helps with your build.

Good Luck!

bobbaily wrote:

I picked up the following kit from my LHS-it had been sitting on their shelf for a while and it really needed a home..... http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/rm/kit_rm_f-4e.shtml Constructor-I know what you mean by the number of decals-that will be a couple day affair-I don't think I could handle the 1/72nd decals-1/48th will be hard enough. Reasonably priced too, I might add-$24.-  The same LHS also has the Monogram 105F/G 1/48th kit that has been calling my name, so I think it may find a home after Thanksgiving.  Now I just need to decide which kit to build.....Also, there is an Acadmey 1/48th F-16A at the Hobby Lobby that would look good in IAF markings and I do have a 40% off coupon.....

I guess we took these Revell 1/48s for granted when they were aplenty. When we see some of them now we opened our eyes and see how good they are. 

Rand,

Gonna have to put the Ali Cat on hold for a bit as Squadron is out of the decals at the moment.  May come back to it in the future, will keep looking.  Thanks for the sites.

Lew, Try Sprue Brothers and maybe they will have the decals.

My personal fave is Sprue Brothers.

http://www.spruebrothers.com/

I just checked and Your in Luck... Sprue Brothers has a sheet for the Ali Cat!

http://store.spruebrothers.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=sbm&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=869747340&Count2=786887764&Keyword=1%2F48+Iranian+F%2D14+Ali+Cat+Decals&Target=products.asp

Enjoy!

Rand,

Thanks for the help, but because of space limitations I build 1/72 (although seeing the Ali Cat with a couple of Hawk SAM's hanging off of it looked really cool).  Like I said, I've got some time and maybe I can find them or the Fujimi kit and build it at a later date.  I'll keep looking in the meantime.

Constructor,

If the kit is a recent offering I'd say it would because Revell and Hasegawa have been swapping molds for a while.  If it isn't you could probably make it work with grinding or shimming.

constructor wrote:

Will the Aires cockpit set for the F-4C (for Hasegawa) fit my Revell kit? I don't want to be sorry later.

Even if it isn't a direct drop in, anything can be made to fit with some clever sanding

Rand,

Put me down for a 1/72 F-86F in the markings of Capt. Lonnie R. Moore 335th FIS 4th FIW.

lewbud wrote:

Rand, Put me down for a 1/72 F-86F in the markings of Capt. Lonnie R. Moore 335th FIS 4th FIW.

Your wish is granted! An F-86F it is! Got you listed again.

constructor wrote:

Will the Aires cockpit set for the F-4C (for Hasegawa) fit my Revell kit? I don't want to be sorry later.

Just is case.... KEEP THE RECEIPT!  LOL

Bp is right though, it can be reshaped to fit. Another idea is to look for a Legend Productions Resin set. I used their F-4J set and was pretty impressed with it. It was a to work with but with a lot of patients it was well worth the effort.

Air Master Modeler,

Can I change my build to a 1/48 Revell F-4C Phantom II? Still Lt Col. Robert Titus's #64-0776 gunslinger.

The Hasegawa kit is really expensive for a 1/72 kit that comes with only air-to-ground armament at $40. I might have to rescribe panel lines but I think it is worth it. Bigger kit with lots of armament (including the gunpod I need) for about half the price of the Hasegawa.

WarHammer25 wrote:

Air Master Modeler, Can I change my build to a 1/48 Revell F-4C Phantom II? Still Lt Col. Robert Titus's #64-0776 gunslinger. The Hasegawa kit is really expensive for a 1/72 kit that comes with only air-to-ground armament at $40. I might have to rescribe panel lines but I think it is worth it. Bigger kit with lots of armament (including the gunpod I need) for about half the price of the Hasegawa.

W.H.

Consider it done. The rescribing is not difficult, just take your time with it and do a just a little at a time. Try to to rush through the rescribing.

How is everyone doing? It's been very quiet here and I am sure your all busy with getting ready for Christmas. As for myself I am almost finished with the Super Bug and hope to get started on my Mig Killer Hornet in the next few days. I'll post pics in the aircraft section.

Lets make some noise here gents.

Merry Christmas!

Rand

Hey Rand,

I have a couple builds for the Mud Movers that I am trying to get finished by the end of the month, but I've been tinkering on the F-15. Looking for some way to replace the crappy smoked canopy and front windscreen....I wonder if the Tamiya 32nd scale F-15C would fit

Well, I have finally got started on my Mig Killer F/A-18C. I have the office just about finished and all thats left is the seat to detail. I get some progress pics posted as soon as its done. For those of you who wanted to see my finished Super Bug, I posted pics in the Aircraft section.  

bobbaily wrote:

Hey all-this is a very knowledgable group here, so......does anyone have detail info on a OV-1A Mohawk that downed a Mig-17 (I think) over Vietnam?  I've done a couple of quick searches, but can't find the detail info-i.e., unit, number, etc. Thanks edit-well, I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OV-1_Mohawk Provided the pilot's name, Capt. Kevin Lee, but no other info, i.e. S/N, unit, etc.  So now I think I'll shift gears and look for something else.  Probably gonna be either an F4-E, F-105F or maybe an F-16.  I plan on doing some shopping over the holidays next weekend, so I should be able to come-up with something.

I just discovered this about a week ago while looking for Fokker D-VII data. There was one Mig shot down by an OV-1A that flew out of Phu Bai. Where he got the MIG I don't know, but suspect it's over the DMZ, or maybe near the Mu Gai Pass. There are pics of the plane in a magazine I saw at Borders (I didn't buy it as it wasn't what I was seeking). The plane looked to be painted in O.D. green, and they had all the markings and data for it. Roden does a a nice kit, and Eduard sells photo etch for it. There's one for sale on Ebay right now.

    If I'm right I think Mr. Lee is MIA.

gary

Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build. 

EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'.

Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.

bobbaily wrote:

Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build.  EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'. Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.

I have the "A" and "D" kits from Roden, and they're pretty nice kits. The "A" plane does not come with that long external sensor pod like the others used. As for OV1's out of Phu Bai; I doubt that there were all that many there (probably six or eight). Now thinking of MIG killers in that time frame here's something I've often wondered. The first Wild Weasles were F100F's, and of course we know where they flew. I wonder if an F100 ever snagged a MIG? But of course it's almost a mute point as there is no kit being made.

gary

squeakie wrote:

bobbaily wrote: Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build.  EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'. Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.   I have the "A" and "D" kits from Roden, and they're pretty nice kits. The "A" plane does not come with that long external sensor pod like the others used. As for OV1's out of Phu Bai; I doubt that there were all that many there (probably six or eight). Now thinking of MIG killers in that time frame here's something I've often wondered. The first Wild Weasles were F100F's, and of course we know where they flew. I wonder if an F100 ever snagged a MIG? But of course it's almost a mute point as there is no kit being made. gary

According to my research no F-100 scored any Mig kills while deployed in Vietnam.

Bummer too cause it was a great aircraft.

Air Master Modeler wrote:

squeakie wrote:  bobbaily wrote: Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build.  EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'. Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.   I have the "A" and "D" kits from Roden, and they're pretty nice kits. The "A" plane does not come with that long external sensor pod like the others used. As for OV1's out of Phu Bai; I doubt that there were all that many there (probably six or eight). Now thinking of MIG killers in that time frame here's something I've often wondered. The first Wild Weasles were F100F's, and of course we know where they flew. I wonder if an F100 ever snagged a MIG? But of course it's almost a mute point as there is no kit being made. gary According to my research no F-100 scored any Mig kills while deployed in Vietnam. Bummer too cause it was a great aircraft.

that's too bad as an F100 was a real down on the deck plane! As in making the palm trees wave in the blast as it flew over.

    Now I did find out last night that the OV-1 that did in the MIG was the number nine plane! Caught it in a barage of 39 rockets! But where? I'm guessing it was south of Vin or over Laos and south of the Mu Gai Pass (everything went thru the Mu Gai Pass). There were long rumored aircraft and helecopter sightings over in the Mu Gai Pass area, and it just makes sense. I'm gonna dig deeper into this subject

gary