In My Stash GB : Threepeat

Hey Dave,

Why do you only have two kits in your stash list???   I only see a U-Boat and a Snowberry ...

What, did ya build everything else already...?  You must of had a productive year...  Oh well, that's fine...  I'll vote for one of the MONSTERS!!!

acmodeler01 wrote:

OK, I got to my list quicker than I though I would, so here they are, a mixture of everything... Aoshima   1:24 Mazdaspeed RX-7 '96 Tamiya   1:24 Ferrari Enzo Giallo Modena Tamiya   1:24 Mercedes CLK-GTR Team D2 1997 Tamiya   1:24 Morris Mini Cooper 1275s Revell   1:25 1969 Dodge Charger AMT/ERTL   1:25 Pete 359 Wrecker Academy/MRC   1:35 AH-1W Super Cobra Dragon   1:35 M270 MLRS Tamiya   1:35 M113A2 APC Desert Version Tamiya   1:35 Marines LVTP7A1 AMT/ERTL   1:35 Star Wars Trade Federation Tank Accurate Miniatures   1:48 Grumman F3F-2 Academy/MRC   1:72 B-17F "Memphis Belle" Hasegawa   1:72 F-16C Oklahoma ANG Revell   1:72 Me-262

Nice choices!

smeagol the vile wrote:

I dont wana be disqualified because I dont want to mess up some kit that I love, or that is really expensive (like the others in that Sd set, or that 200$ kit I told you about (perfect grade wing zero custom, if your interested to know)

I've been holding my because I wanted to see what fearless leader had to say.  I can understand when we want to hold a kit off the list because we know that we just won't have the time or space required to build it.  I have a 1/48 B-24D in the stash that's off the list because I simply will not have space to put it anywhere when finished!

But....I have no sympathy for those who don't want to build a kit because you don't want to mess it up or because it's really expensive or because your skills are not up to the task or etc., etc.  That's complete .  Those are excuses.  If you don't want to mess it up and/or it's too expensive to build, that's your problem.  You shouldn't have bought the kit.  I don't want to see any whining about lack of skills.  You'll never get better without challenging yourself.  When will your skills be better?  After the next build?  4 builds from now?  How about 35 builds from now?  How about never because it will always be the easy way out? 

Not to mention, what is everyone afraid of?  That the rest of us will roast you because it's not perfect?  Please.  It's a supportive forum and has always been.  We'll give constructive criticism if asked.  'Nuff said.

Let's keep in mind, that tough kit may not get the majority of votes anyway. 

My , if it is in fact worth that.

Cheers

arki30 wrote:

smeagol the vile wrote: I dont wana be disqualified because I dont want to mess up some kit that I love, or that is really expensive (like the others in that Sd set, or that 200$ kit I told you about (perfect grade wing zero custom, if your interested to know) I've been holding my because I wanted to see what fearless leader had to say.  I can understand when we want to hold a kit off the list because we know that we just won't have the time or space required to build it.  I have a 1/48 B-24D in the stash that's off the list because I simply will not have space to put it anywhere when finished! But....I have no sympathy for those who don't want to build a kit because you don't want to mess it up or because it's really expensive or because your skills are not up to the task or etc., etc.  That's complete .  Those are excuses.  If you don't want to mess it up and/or it's too expensive to build, that's your problem.  You shouldn't have bought the kit.  I don't want to see any whining about lack of skills.  You'll never get better without challenging yourself.  When will your skills be better?  After the next build?  4 builds from now?  How about 35 builds from now?  How about never because it will always be the easy way out?  Not to mention, what is everyone afraid of?  That the rest of us will roast you because it's not perfect?  Please.  It's a supportive forum and has always been.  We'll give constructive criticism if asked.  'Nuff said. Let's keep in mind, that tough kit may not get the majority of votes anyway.  My , if it is in fact worth that. Cheers

Arki...

Well, my friend, I too was holding off with any response to this, but what the heck.  Looks like we opened up this can of *&^%...

I, too, can definately understand the hesitation to build a particular kit due to lack of time or space.  At the same time, I think an argument could be made that, those too, are excuses.  You asked why would someone get a kit they don't have the skills for?  Well, the same question could be asked about a kit you will not have the time or space to build.  I mean, the GB is a YEAR.  Is time really that big of a factor (and yes, this comes from the guy who builds at a glacial pace, so I'll need the whole year just to build a balsa glider......).  And if space, as opposed to skills, is really a factor, why did you get the kit?  Why is, 'Well, I got it so that I could build it when I add on that great new model room I'm gonna build one day...' a better excuse than, 'I got it so that, one day when my weathering and painting skills are up to snuff, I'll tackle it...'?  Seems to me like they are similar at the core.  Maybe it is a kit that holds special significance that the guy wants to build as a tribute to someone or something.  Maybe it is just the coolest, most awesome, favorite-est kit he has ever seen and he really wants it to come out great, but doesn't think he can do it justice just yet.  I don't think it matters.  I don't think we are here to judge.

I guess my point is I have no problem with people keeping kits off their list for any number of reasons related to time, space, or skills.  I know that I have kits that are 'special' to me and that I want to do an 'extra' good job on.  Smeagol talked about a kit that cost $200+.  Well, I'm not going to try to compel a guy to build that kit if he does not feel ready.  This whole voting thing is supposed to be in good natured fun.  I don't want guy to feel like he either has to build a kit he is not ready to build or drop out of the GB. 

I also know that part of the fun/excitement of this GB is putting those kits on the list that have been lurking in your stash for years but you never got the gumption to try, but again, I just don't feel 'right' about forcing someone to confront a kit that they don't feel ready for/want to, simply so they can have the minimum of 15 on their list...

OK, that is my ...  Now, when can I vote...?

bbrowniii wrote:

Hey Dave, Why do you only have two kits in your stash list???   I only see a U-Boat and a Snowberry ... What, did ya build everything else already...?  You must of had a productive year...  Oh well, that's fine...  I'll vote for one of the MONSTERS!!!

  Ya I know, I shouldn't have bothered listing anything else with this crowd.

bbrowniii wrote:

This whole voting thing is supposed to be in good natured fun.  I don't want guy to feel like he either has to build a kit he is not ready to build or drop out of the GB.

That's how I feel about it too. 

This GB is meant to push us into uncomfortable territory and it certainly does!  But the benefits are tremendous.  For my experience: tacking the last two IMS builds has profoundly increased my capability and confidence in this hobby. 

However, I don't want anybody to ultimately regret that they joined this GB because they fouled up a kit that was important to them, but they weren't ready for it.  I know how they feel: I used to have kits that scared me too, and in retrospect I probably WOULD HAVE fubarred them before I learned a few skills.  Practice is an important part of this hobby, and true artists alway practice before they attempt a masterpiece.

Remember: the most important thing is that we're all having fun.  Everything else is secondary.

I'm in agreement with you guys - it's supposed to be fun and at the same time a bit of a push into unfamiliar waters.

In IMS1 I had some resin to play with for the first time, in IMS2 a bit of PE, in this one a pile of PE and perhaps a bit of resin as well depending what's chosen. Both times my 15 kits excluded kits that I needed cheaper or less important kits to practice some skills on first.

Paul

Well, you see.  When a kit that is normally about 200 or some dollars, and you get it for less then half on ebay, your going to grab it, if your ready or not, just to have it.  ESPECIALLY when these kits dont get mass produced again, bandai likes to do that kind of thing.  Also, normally, from what I have seen, a tank, is a tank, is a tank, or a plane is a plane is a plane.  Ultimatly they all have the same issued and difficulties for their plastic kits.  I expect none of you have tried to build a PG bandai kit before.  not only do you have to deal with the normal problems, you have, for one, the massive size, a foot tall, if not more, and with the wings on this one, a two foot wingspan abouts.  The a bit of the parts are 100% metal parts, as well as some rubber parts that have metal in them to be maniupulated (a whole new type of thing to get paints and skill painting).  Then you have to BUILD the lighting mechanisms, there is no 'this is the battery box' you build the battery box, do all the wiring yourself for the LED.  Its not easy, at all.  There really indepth kits, and I havent seem someone build one correctly in less then a year before.  To quote '30 plus runners of parts (670 total pieces). About 30 locations secured by metal screws. Two different locations light up on the finished kit (eyes and chest). Full inner mechanism detail on all limbs. Opening panels on the head, chest and more.' Now, unless you are going to take the kit, and just spray it one color, and not paint the details, you can finish it in a week, I doubt any of us are going to do that.  Just look at chuckw's helldiver.  That kit, if you look at it as a whole, even with his modifications, is a simple kit, and look how long it is taking him.  Then you have to factor in how long it takes to make sure every inch of the moving parts are painted, so it isnt displayed, you move it a bit, and find you didnt paint the inside of the knee when its bent.

Just because someone doesnt have the skills, or doesnt want to ruin a kit doesnt mean you can talk to me the way you guys did about my reasoning.

bbrowniii wrote:

I, too, can definately understand the hesitation to build a particular kit due to lack of time or space.  At the same time, I think an argument could be made that, those too, are excuses.  You asked why would someone get a kit they don't have the skills for?  Well, the same question could be asked about a kit you will not have the time or space to build.

Sure.  But here's the difference.  Time and space can be influenced by outside forces.  In my example, when I bought the B-24 I did have room for it.  Now I don't because I was forced to move to a smaller apartment due to forces outside of my control.

Remember Kenny's Big E from IMS I?  That's a big build, and it's not uncommon for builders to take a year or more to finish a 1/350 carrier.  As I recall Kenny couldn't get started until later and ended up finishing past the date.

Afraid to start the kit because it's too expensive?  Skills not good enough?  Those have nothing to do with anything outside of our control.  Those are solely manageable by the builder.

That's the difference, and that's why the reasons IMHO are just excuses.

I'll reiterate, it's just my opinion and can certainly be dismissed as easily as a fart in the wind.  

When do we begin voting again?

Cheers

arki30 wrote:

kenny_conklin wrote: welcome aboard everyone glad to see some new faces and alot of repeat offenders :) I repeat, I will offend again!

That we had no doubt Arki!!!

Ok here is my list and after the hinting for the A-10 last year, i am NOT going to do that again.  As the wise one said on the 1st page, becareful what you wish for!!!

All below are 1/48th

1.   Hasagawa   A-7E

2.   Academy    MiG-29

3.   Tamaya      ShiteiIII IJN Recon Plane (rare kit)

4.   RoG            Eurofighter

5.   Revell         Su-27 (russian)

6.   Trumpeter   Su-27 (Chinese. LOTS of fiddly bits)

7.   Revell         F/A-18F Super Bug

8.   Revell         F-16C (Old Chuck Yeager Kit) 

9.   Monogram    B-24J Liberator (Really nervous about putting this one in)

10.  Tamaya      A6M5 Zero

11.  Revell         P-51D

12.  Tamaya     Bf-109E3 

All the rest are 1/72

13.   RoG          A6E Tram Intruder

14.   Minicraft    S-3A Viking

15.   RoG           Tornado.

As you can see, i'm an aircraft guy.  I know i said i'd be putting in some Tomcats, but i'm going to be doing a Tomcat Group Build starting Jan 1, and i'm doing one on this forum for the MiG Killers II group build, so no kitties on this list.  LEt the nail biting begin as i put 3-4 really hard kits on here, but thought why not, but thats the spirit of the GB isn't it? 

Mist086 wrote:

arki30 wrote:  kenny_conklin wrote: welcome aboard everyone glad to see some new faces and alot of repeat offenders :) I repeat, I will offend again!   That we had no doubt Arki!!!

Hey, I'm building the Revell F/A-18F now.  For the value, it's a darn good kit.  Some things are typical Revell, but that should be expected.

The prior issue aside, I have to say I am excited not only by the variety of kits we are seeing this IMS but the volume of the variety, if that makes sense.  From armor to cars to ships to Gundams...

Every year it just seems to get better and better.  I feel rather inadequate now!  My list is so...typical and boring.  

Alrighty fellas,

Here are my contenders for the IMS Threepeat...  For simplicity, I have grouped them into three categories, by pic:

Group 1:

1/35 DML:

Pz Kpfw III M/N

SdKfz 186 Jagdtiger

SdKfz 234/1

SdKfz 131 Marder II

SdKfz 165 Hummel

Group 2:

1/35 Tamiya:

M8 Greyhound

Mobelwagen

25 Pounder Field Gun and Quad Gun Tractor

Panther G (Late)

88mm Flak 36/37

Group 3:

Misc: (all 1/35 unless indicated otherwise)

Tamiya SdKfz 222 Leichter Panzerspahwagen

Tamiya Schutzenpanzer Marder 1A2

Academy Sturmgeschutz IV

Tamiya King George V (1/700)

Accurate Miniatures TBM-3/TBF-1C Avenger (1/48)

arki30 wrote:

bbrowniii wrote: I, too, can definately understand the hesitation to build a particular kit due to lack of time or space.  At the same time, I think an argument could be made that, those too, are excuses.  You asked why would someone get a kit they don't have the skills for?  Well, the same question could be asked about a kit you will not have the time or space to build.    Remember Kenny's Big E from IMS I?  That's a big build, and it's not uncommon for builders to take a year or more to finish a 1/350 carrier.  As I recall Kenny couldn't get started until later and ended up finishing past the date.

yup you are right arki i got started late and didnt finsih up till almost febuary if i remember right took awhile but i got it done. i never built an aircraft carrier before nor have i ever bult a ship before and that is an expensive kit as well. took my time and did it the best i could and yes i messed up some but i got it done.

last years build i also put my 1/32nd scale tamiya f16 cj block 50  150+ dollar kit which i hoped wasnt selected because i am an armour guy and was scared to build it but it was up there anyhow.

you are all right and after looking back and realizing how many of us put up expensive kits that have been siting around and were hesitant to do but still isted them anyhow i have changed my mind. if 15 kits is what you have 15 kits should be listed.

if i offeneded anyone with my postion change i am sorry . but it isnt the first or last time it will happen. for those of you that have been with the build for the past two years you know i listen to the group and weigh my decisions on a whol and not just soley on my opinion.

so hence forth i declare that all kits should be listed . if you feel that this is not fair or you feel a kit will win the vote and you dont want to build it you may drop from the build no questions asked and no hard feelings.

this build is about fun and learning and trying toget those kits done that we are scared to tackle.

in the past two builds we never had a run in like this . and on my part i love this build and i will not have any anomosity towards other builders and my friends that i have come to know over the past two years.

i will say it like i said a few paragraphs back . i didnt want to buld the cvn 65 uss enterprise cause i was scared but i listed it and built it not the greatest but none the less i accomplished my goal . this is the way we learn and become better modelers.

now i am done lol

have a great night all

kenny

The reason i chose to take the Aeroclub biplanes off my list is i simply dont think i will have time to build them. I have never built let alone rigged a biplane before and i do not fancy messing up a rare and expensive Vac Form model yet.

For those people who ask why did i buy them then.  I brought them when they came up as they dont come up very often and i got them for a good price. 

ollie wrote:

The reason i chose to take the Aeroclub biplanes off my list is i simply dont think i will have time to build them. I have never built let alone rigged a biplane before and i do not fancy messing up a rare and expensive Vac Form model yet. For those people who ask why did i buy them then.  I brought them when they came up as they dont come up very often and i got them for a good price.

if your stash is over 15 you can leave out whatever kits you want ollie it is just if your stash is equal or less than 15 everyone should be posting there whole list

kenny_conklin wrote:

ollie wrote: The reason i chose to take the Aeroclub biplanes off my list is i simply dont think i will have time to build them. I have never built let alone rigged a biplane before and i do not fancy messing up a rare and expensive Vac Form model yet. For those people who ask why did i buy them then.  I brought them when they came up as they dont come up very often and i got them for a good price.  if your stash is over 15 you can leave out whatever kits you want ollie it is just if your stash is equal or less than 15 everyone should be posting there whole list

I went on a shopping spree and brought some extra kits so i was able to remove them.

ollie wrote:

kenny_conklin wrote:  ollie wrote: The reason i chose to take the Aeroclub biplanes off my list is i simply dont think i will have time to build them. I have never built let alone rigged a biplane before and i do not fancy messing up a rare and expensive Vac Form model yet. For those people who ask why did i buy them then.  I brought them when they came up as they dont come up very often and i got them for a good price.  if your stash is over 15 you can leave out whatever kits you want ollie it is just if your stash is equal or less than 15 everyone should be posting there whole list I went on a shopping spree and brought some extra kits so i was able to remove them.

lmao now that is one way to keep a kit you want to save off the build

Kenny, I think that's a good move...putting your 15 kits regardless of whether or not you're ready to build them or not sort of sums up the "spirit" of the IMS build, IMHO. I know when I'm picking my 15 I personally try to put some stuff in that I normally wouldn't have the ambition/desire/nads to tackle right now.

Boyd - killer list to pick from...was really sort of hoping to see that Eduard BF-110 you have in there.! HUMMMMMMel, what am I going to vote for...

smeagol the vile wrote:

I'm gona put more up (alot I left off were like, slight variatons on a few kits, would be the same to any non anime fan as the first (the macross one) but im still not gona put up that big one, Im just not going to ruin something I know im not ready for.  As for the ones I put up, they are all of the unopened ones I have and all those I cant see myself building without being urged.

Hey Smeagol,

I think you are making a good call.  I think that last line shows that you are keeping with the spirit of the build - putting stuff up that otherwise you would need a nudge to build.  As far as that really expensive kit, truth be told, I agree with you.  I wouldn't put it up either, particularly if I wanted really do a bang up job on it.  I guess I will respectfully disagree with the majority opinion on this topic...

Glad you still have 15 other kits so you can stay in the GB.

dupes wrote:

Boyd - killer list to pick from...was really sort of hoping to see that Eduard BF-110 you have in there.! HUMMMMMMel, what am I going to vote for...

Flupsey, fupesy, dupesy...

I KNEW you were gonna ask me about that 110!!  As I was picking my list I kept thinking, 'Ohh, Marc is gonna bust my chops for this...!!!"

By the way, what's that hummmm(el)-ing I hear in the background?

How about some royal decrees on page 1 for 'Guidleines for choosing your 15 kits.'?

Paul

kenny_conklin wrote:

ollie wrote:  kenny_conklin wrote:  ollie wrote: The reason i chose to take the Aeroclub biplanes off my list is i simply dont think i will have time to build them. I have never built let alone rigged a biplane before and i do not fancy messing up a rare and expensive Vac Form model yet. For those people who ask why did i buy them then.  I brought them when they came up as they dont come up very often and i got them for a good price.  if your stash is over 15 you can leave out whatever kits you want ollie it is just if your stash is equal or less than 15 everyone should be posting there whole list I went on a shopping spree and brought some extra kits so i was able to remove them. lmao now that is one way to keep a kit you want to save off the build

Heh. EXACTLY!

Smeagol - it would probably be better if you didn't tell everyone you were trying to leave kits off of your list, especially right after the GB leader decided that if you have 15 (or less) you need to post your kits. Not picking on you or anything! Your best bet would be to go snag yourself another couple of things to build at the LHS.

bbrowniii wrote:

dupes wrote: Boyd - killer list to pick from...was really sort of hoping to see that Eduard BF-110 you have in there.! HUMMMMMMel, what am I going to vote for... Flupsey, fupesy, dupesy... I KNEW you were gonna ask me about that 110!!  As I was picking my list I kept thinking, 'Ohh, Marc is gonna bust my chops for this...!!!" By the way, what's that hummmm(el)-ing I hear in the background?

You better believe I'm asking about the 110! I want to see one of those puppies get built up!

Hummmmmmmm(el)...now I have to think about what I want to see. You know, I may actually want you to save up that Hummel for the other upcoming 2009 GB...1,000 Roadwheels. Would make an excellent (wrings hands together maniacally) candidate for that build.

dupes wrote:

Hummmmmmmm(el)...now I have to think about what I want to see. You know, I may actually want you to save up that Hummel for the other upcoming 2009 GB...1,000 Roadwheels. Would make an excellent (wrings hands together maniacally) candidate for that build.

You are a b%^&ard, you know that, right???

Finally have my list, picked some oldies that I have been sitting on for years because they kept losing the new kit face off.

1. DML 1/35 M1A1 AIM
2. 1/72 Monogram   US Navy F-4J Phantom II
3. 1/24 Revell Miami Vice Ferrari Testarosa
4. 1/35 Italeri Demag D7 Sdkfz 10/5 2cm Flak 38
5. 1/35 AFV Club M40 "Big Shot"
6. 1/350 Zvezda Battle Cruiser Borodino
7. 1/350 DML USS Arthur W. Radford
8. 1/35 DML 1/35 M2A1 Half-Track
9. 1/600 Airfix HMS Nelson
10. Lindberg Captain Kidd Pirate Ship
11. 1/35 Tamiya US DRAGON WAGON
12. AMT Encounter with Yoda on Dagobah Action Scene
13. 1/25 AMT Hogans Heroes Jeep
14. 1/700 Dragon USS Tarawa
15. Games Workshop War Mumak of Harad w/ Haradrim figures

WOW, tough choices there... Miami Vice, Yoda or Hogan's Heroes!!!  Anyone of those would be very Cooool!!!

Edit, okay, maybe not so much the Miami Vice.