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Knights of the Sky II- The End

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Posted by More Power Scotty on Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:49 AM

Stephen,

 Oddly enough, that is the exact kit that I am preparing to build next for this group build.

 

Scott
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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, August 1, 2009 2:05 AM


Here is a bit of fun in the form of Eduard's most recent pressing.  The re-issue of their fine 1/48 mold.  Kit # 8480 is out.  and as a weekender it has a large potential for some enjoyable building.  It is supposed to represent  the Fokker E.V flown by Theo Osterkamp, Marine Feld Jagdstaffel II, Belgium, 1918.  But does it? More later.

Here was my first review of this mold when it premiered.
Click here.

Here is my build of the first issue kit.
Here.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:38 PM
He did alot of modifications to that kit...

 

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Posted by Mobious on Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:30 PM
 Hey Stephen, that does answer a question I'd had about the double wire on most British Biplanes. Thanks.

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by StephenLawson on Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:35 PM

 smeagol the vile wrote:
i dunno if you can tell from the photo but hereis what I was talking about + the instructions

Ok I think I see your problem.  A friend of mine, callsign "Kofoed" did a build of this kit and he can probably say what you need to hear.

Click here.

He goes on to say also that -

An interesting aspect with this model is, that the wings are very thin and flexible. I put on the lower wings, which are moulded in one piece with the center of the bottom fuselage, and thought no more about this until I was mounting the top wing. This, the top wing, bulged seriously up in the middle during the test fit, and I thought about cutting off the cabane struts. However, seeing that they had the right lengths, it occurred to me, that the lower wings had sunk due to the weight, dragging the tips of the upper wing along. So, nothing else to do than adjust it with the rigging. Hence the landing wires are very tight, actually carrying the weight of the wings. This is just like the real thing, I guess. The flying wires are double, of course. They have to carry the entire plane during flight.

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 PM

i dunno if you can tell from the photo but hereis what I was talking about + the instructions

 

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:37 PM
no its quite alright.  I think the next time I decide to build an airplane of any sort its going to be a modern kit, not some 1980s (or earlier) kit because it was cheap

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:20 PM
You are right.  You have a whole other issue.  Good Luck.

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:57 PM
its the exact opisite of there not being enough area, there is TO much area, I can wiggle and angle and move the struts in every direction a large amount without it looking wrong, and if I sit them flat like you would thing they make a giant V instead of what the plans say they should.  The instructions are vauge... if I had batteries for my camerea Id show you...

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:46 AM

smeagol the vile
the same problem exists on either side, the bottom and the top dont have placements that are form fitted for the struts, there to big and not defined on what angle or placement to put them at.  One strut doesnt have the thickness or strength to whole the wing, or fuselage up while it dries in place, and even if it did, I wouldnt be sure that was the correct spot unless they were all On to measure right, and even then, it could be tilted one way or another...  Its a baddly designed kit for fitting

I think I see your problem.  Your looking at the issue from  the standpoint that the cabane struts (from the fuselage to the top wing) are too long. Also that they don't have  enough attachment area.

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 27, 2009 8:34 PM
the same problem exists on either side, the bottom and the top dont have placements that are form fitted for the struts, there to big and not defined on what angle or placement to put them at.  One strut doesnt have the thickness or strength to whole the wing, or fuselage up while it dries in place, and even if it did, I wouldnt be sure that was the correct spot unless they were all On to measure right, and even then, it could be tilted one way or another...  Its a baddly designed kit for fitting

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, July 27, 2009 7:27 PM

Have you tried placing the model upside down to dry once the the upper wing has been cemented in place?  Likely have to find something to prop up the fusalge while in that position.

 Jack

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 27, 2009 4:44 PM
thats the thing, the struts attach in the worst possible ways, little pegs, giant openings for thin pieces, it wasnt planned out well at all, and none of them line up correctly without holdin them in place, even with super glue the angle was so wierd that it would fall off while I was trying to line the top wing up.

 

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Posted by Mobious on Monday, July 27, 2009 2:47 PM
 soulcrusher wrote:

Sounds like you need one of those fancy riggs that hold the upper wing in place while you glue in the struts and wait for everything to set up. I have seen many different types. Some are very high tech and I have seen some people use Legos to hold the kit in place and then build them up to hold the upper wing. Just some food for though.

                                                                                  SoulcrusherPirate [oX)]

 I've seen styrofoam used as an upper wing jig also. It may help to work from the cabane(inner) struts out to the spars (outter struts). Pay special attention to getting the upper wing squarred with the lower and the fuselage too.

 HTH 

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by soulcrusher on Monday, July 27, 2009 2:11 PM

Sounds like you need one of those fancy riggs that hold the upper wing in place while you glue in the struts and wait for everything to set up. I have seen many different types. Some are very high tech and I have seen some people use Legos to hold the kit in place and then build them up to hold the upper wing. Just some food for though.

                                                                                  SoulcrusherPirate [oX)]

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 27, 2009 1:52 PM
its an F.1 but it doesnt matter, as I said the beams that hold the top wing to the bottom wing arent really positioned correctly and dont sit flat like they should.  Because of that I cant glue them in place till im SURE they line up with the top wing, and I cant do that because the top wing is so freaking heavy.

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Monday, July 27, 2009 12:07 PM

 smeagol the vile wrote:
Ok, I need help. I have started to string the rigging through the body like the instructions say but they are so HORRIBLE I cant tell what goes through what hole, there are holes in the instructions where there are none on the kit and visa versa.  I dunno what to do, I dont wana put the rigging through, seal the body then have it in wrong.

We are talking an F.1 or a 2F.1?

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:50 PM

Steven- I hope you were able to get the images you need, and will stay here building with us!  I shall keep your name on the roster unless you ask me to remove it.

Scott- Got it!  I added the E.V to your list. Wink [;)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by More Power Scotty on Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:21 PM

Stephen,

No rush, and I will let you know when it arrives.

Frank,

My next offering for this group will be the Eduard Weekend Edition Fokker E.V in 1/48 scale. I want to finish a project on my bench before I begin, but it should commence sometime this next week.

Scott
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Posted by Mobious on Friday, July 24, 2009 6:02 AM

 Guy, LOL! What an answer. LOL.

 Thanks for the comments, I was terrified of the decals, and to start things off, I'd placed the pit decals on the wrong sides. 

 The postman rang twice. And dropped this off at the doorstep.

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  Yes, I remember the Gotha, and I'll consider your words marked. I'm looking forward to seeing that Gotha completed. One of my favorite scenes in the movie "Flyboys" is the Nieuport 17 attack on the German Gotha bombers. Have you found any decals for it?

 Mo

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by Luftwoller on Friday, July 24, 2009 2:58 AM
 StephenLawson wrote:

 StephenLawson wrote:
". . .Here is a quiz for you.  What is the 'Nachrichtenblatt der Luftstreitekrafte?'. . ."

 Mobious wrote:
Stephen, After Action reports of the Air force? . . .Mo"

Excellent Mobious!  For anyone studying First World War aviation this bi-weekly military issued newspaper from the German air service headquarters is a must have item and the basis for thorough research on the subject of German aviation activity.   It ran from early 1917 to mid 1918.

Geez, lucky i held back with my answer. I thought it was a film, that i may or may not have watched, containing NEKID people!!

Mobious, what are you saying? Above your skill level? Never say never, just put it back in the box and come back to it at a later date. You have some serious skill my friend, your prolly just in the wrong frame of mind. I have several kits waiting for my re-attention. Remember my Gotha? The decals on that thing gave me nightmares. Ill come back to it soon, you mark my words.

...Guy

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:54 PM
I'm gona have to drop out, this kit is to old for me to build at my skill level.  I tried to put the top wing on, none of the posts lined up correctly, they wernt possitioned correctly nor did they have the right angle.  They were also to thin to hold up the top wing, which was almost as heavy as the entire rest of the kit (making it imposibly to keep in place while the glue dried)

 

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Posted by Mobious on Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:23 PM
 A PM set to ya smeagol.

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:22 PM
I checked out all the links that were given to me but what I needed wasnt there, does anyone have any good shots of just the rigging on the tail of the plane?

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:29 PM

 StephenLawson wrote:
". . .Here is a quiz for you.  What is the 'Nachrichtenblatt der Luftstreitekrafte?'. . ."

 Mobious wrote:
Stephen, After Action reports of the Air force? . . .Mo"

Excellent Mobious!  For anyone studying First World War aviation this bi-weekly military issued newspaper from the German air service headquarters is a must have item and the basis for thorough research on the subject of German aviation activity.   It ran from early 1917 to mid 1918.

 

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Posted by Mobious on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:55 AM

 Stephen, After Action reports of the Air force?

 Bob, looking forward to seeing progress on the LVG. That kit looks awesome.

 Mo

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:29 AM
My pleasure Bob!  Those really are some nice looking buckles, can't believe how tiny they are!  When I first looked at the baggie, I thought there was nothing in there! Shock [:O]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Bobs Buckles on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:24 AM

Mo,

Cheers for the info. I will try cutting future with distilled water Smile [:)]

Frank,

Thanks for the nice feedback on eBay. I can't beleive how quick the wee buckles got to you. Cheers! Wink [;)]

Bob

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:57 PM

Mobious I thought the first part of the word was night at first glance but it is not nacht which is night but nach which means after or later. It is so hard to translate because they love to jam two or three words together and make up new words. Probally why they lost the war twice because they probally could not even understand themselves because of all of these crazy made up words!

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Posted by Mobious on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:15 PM
 Hey SC, last time I broke into the German-English translation book, I dropped it and mashed my Focke-Wulf 190 and busted one of the landing gear. I was gonna guess Night-something-something-attack-something-something-Airships. I'll not be gettin a nanner with an answer like that. LOL

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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