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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, August 7, 2009 10:41 AM
Not inside knowledge, Bill.  The Luscombe could be confused maybe with a Cessna 140 with as little as is showing, but the 8A had a windshield with a unique shape where it fairs with the wing, and the landing gear strut is visible just above the wheel which could only be Luscombe.

John

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Posted by Justinryan215 on Friday, August 7, 2009 8:08 PM

allright...I am kinda back to it!  It has been a crazy past few weeks...

I gotta take some pics, but I recieved my side gunners and USMC soldiers from Propaganda Kompany, for the Hog, and have begun assembly, but havent gotten much accomplished...

"...failure to do anything because someone else can do better makes us rather dull and lazy..."

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Posted by jmabx on Friday, August 7, 2009 10:07 PM

Can't wait to see some progress pics of the Hog! If the Hind doesn't beat me to death and I decide to build another helicopter in the future, I would like to try the Revell/Monogram 1/48 Huey... I'll be watching ya Wink [;)]

Does anyone happen to know what these three items are on the bottom of the Hind tail boom and is this what they really look like? After sorting through many Hind pics I came up with nothing. A Google search for "round things under helicopter" didn't prove to be very fruitful!  Confused [%-)] 

Any and all help greatly appreciated... thanks!

Jeremy    Propeller

    

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Posted by lewbud on Friday, August 7, 2009 11:14 PM
 jmabx wrote:

Can't wait to see some progress pics of the Hog! If the Hind doesn't beat me to death and I decide to build another helicopter in the future, I would like to try the Revell/Monogram 1/48 Huey... I'll be watching ya Wink [;)]

Does anyone happen to know what these three items are on the bottom of the Hind tail boom and is this what they really look like? After sorting through many Hind pics I came up with nothing. A Google search for "round things under helicopter" didn't prove to be very fruitful!  Confused [%-)] 

Any and all help greatly appreciated... thanks!

Jeremy,

I've got a pic of those on page 2 of my Hind photos.  Have no clue what they are.  May have a clue tomorrow though.  Have no clue about the two raised areas on the bottom of the boom though.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:45 AM
 jeaton01 wrote:
Not inside knowledge, Bill.  The Luscombe could be confused maybe with a Cessna 140 with as little as is showing, but the 8A had a windshield with a unique shape where it fairs with the wing, and the landing gear strut is visible just above the wheel which could only be Luscombe.
Bow [bow]
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Posted by darson on Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:06 AM
Hi guys I have a bit of a side project going with my Tiger and the moment and need some help.

I'm building an Italeri 1/48 AH-1T with Cobra Company pit and ODS three tone cam and I've come up against a bit of a blocker. The fit and detail on some of the Italeri parts is highly questionable and the level of detail goes from ok to rank. It is one of the detail issues that is getting to me, it's the attachment point from the wing to the quad TOW launcher. Does anybody have a decent pic of this area they are willing to share as I need to do some scratch building but need something more that the box art to go on.

Thanks

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Posted by rotorwash on Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:41 AM

Darren,

  This is a AH-1W, but the attachment points should be similar.  I hope these help.

      Ray

 

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Posted by jmabx on Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:36 AM

Thanks Buddy! Don't know how I missed that one, could be the fact that they look nothing alike! Wink [;)]

Guess I've got my work cut out for me trying to make it look right! 

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Posted by Cavtanker on Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:30 PM

I'm afraid my pilot is too tall, thus causing the canopy to not close all the way.  I'll have to work on that. 

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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, August 8, 2009 2:41 PM
 lewbud wrote:
 jmabx wrote:

Can't wait to see some progress pics of the Hog! If the Hind doesn't beat me to death and I decide to build another helicopter in the future, I would like to try the Revell/Monogram 1/48 Huey... I'll be watching ya Wink [;)]

Does anyone happen to know what these three items are on the bottom of the Hind tail boom and is this what they really look like? After sorting through many Hind pics I came up with nothing. A Google search for "round things under helicopter" didn't prove to be very fruitful!  Confused [%-)] 

Any and all help greatly appreciated... thanks!

Jeremy,

I've got a pic of those on page 2 of my Hind photos.  Have no clue what they are.  May have a clue tomorrow though.  Have no clue about the two raised areas on the bottom of the boom though.

Jeremy,

Drove out to the Cold War Air Museum and talked to the guys out there about the Hind.  The circles in the fairing are the transmitter and receiver for a radar ground altimeter.  Was a good trip, got some pics of a Mi-2 and got to see a Mig-21 and 23 in pieces.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by darson on Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:04 PM
Ray you da man!!!  Thanks a bunch for those they are exactly what I was looking for.
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Posted by jmabx on Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:11 PM

Hey Buddy, thanks for the info! Glad to hear you had a good time at the museum also! I borrowed one of your pictures for reference... hope it's okay. If not, let me know and it will go away.

So, here's what Revell has molded into the underside of the tail boom of the Hind...

...here is the real deal courtesy of lewbud.

I decided to clean up the area and give myself a flat surface to work with.

I scoured the house trying to find something to use for the radar domes. After giving up, I sat down at the bench and stared out the window to think (somebody smell smoke?). That's when it hit me! The rods that you twist to open and close mini-blinds have a small cap that pushes into the bottom end to hide the hole in the center. BINGO! Party [party]

Please don't tell my wife about this or it will be curtains for me! Big Smile [:D]Laugh [(-D]

I cut off the ends, sanded them to a smaller size and PRESTO... instant radar ground altimeter!

Still gotta sand down some super glue and make everything smooth but it's starting to look like it should! Thumbs Up [tup]

Thanks again Buddy for your help on this one!

*EDIT*

BTW... this is why I like to sit at the bench and stare out the window. Took this picture yesterday. Pretty, but they eat everthing in sight... they're goats I think! Wink [;)]

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, August 9, 2009 12:24 AM
 jmabx wrote:

Hey Buddy, thanks for the info! Glad to hear you had a good time at the museum also! I borrowed one of your pictures for reference... hope it's okay. If not, let me know and it will go away.

So, here's what Revell has molded into the underside of the tail boom of the Hind...

...here is the real deal courtesy of lewbud.

I decided to clean up the area and give myself a flat surface to work with.

I scoured the house trying to find something to use for the radar domes. After giving up, I sat down at the bench and stared out the window to think (somebody smell smoke?). That's when it hit me! The rods that you twist to open and close mini-blinds have a small cap that pushes into the bottom end to hide the hole in the center. BINGO! Party [party]

Please don't tell my wife about this or it will be curtains for me! Big Smile [:D]Laugh [(-D]

I cut off the ends, sanded them to a smaller size and PRESTO... instant radar ground altimeter!

Still gotta sand down some super glue and make everything smooth but it's starting to look like it should! Thumbs Up [tup]

Thanks again Buddy for your help on this one!

*EDIT*

BTW... this is why I like to sit at the bench and stare out the window. Took this picture yesterday. Pretty, but they eat everthing in sight... they're goats I think! Wink [;)]

Jeremy,

No problem with you using the pic, just give credit where credit's due.  That area's lookng good, what are you going to use for the vertical fence between the two?  By the way, you should get out of the city more often or at least get to your local zoo.  Those are deer, not goats.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by jmabx on Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:36 AM

 lewbud wrote:

Jeremy,

No problem with you using the pic, just give credit where credit's due.  That area's lookng good, what are you going to use for the vertical fence between the two?  By the way, you should get out of the city more often or at least get to your local zoo.  Those are deer, not goats.

I figured that I would use some thin styrene sheet between them. Once I clean up that area I'll install it then. I plan on leaving the domes off until after the helicopter is painted because they look to be a different color and I don't want to attempt to mask them.

I don't know what this whole deer business is, but around here we call 'em food! Dinner [dinner] Chef [C=:-)]

This is the first time I've seen babies in my back yard. They still have their spots and are very small... notice the wood pile behind them, that's all wood too small to split (size reference). No mother in site (Bambie?). Since I've lived here, the deer come through twice a day and eat everything... I mean everything! Like I said... goats! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, August 9, 2009 12:10 PM

Darren,

  Your welcome. Glad they were useful.

Cavtanker,

  You can never have too many snakes! thanks for posting her.

 Jeremy,

  The Hind is looking great!  I can't wait for another updat.

 

As for myself, I have a question.  I actually just built a helo over the last few days.  Could I enter it into the GB or did I need to declare it ahead of time?  It's no problem eitehr way.  It is a 1/144 DML UH-60A kit that I built as an IDF Yanshuf.  Mostly OOB, but i did make a lead foil cover for the ALQ 144. here are a few pics.

 
 
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As for the project for which I originally signed up, I just got all the resin and decals from Joseph Osborn at Fireball Modelworks.  Also, I'm thinking of using some of the Cobra Company 1/35 update set for the Pnada kit.  Anyway, here are all the goodies laid out.  Now to begin surgery!

    Ray

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Sorry about the screwed up page, guys.  Must be something with Picasa.  I tried to fix it and actually made it worse!

 

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:04 PM
 jmabx wrote:

 lewbud wrote:

Jeremy,

No problem with you using the pic, just give credit where credit's due.  That area's lookng good, what are you going to use for the vertical fence between the two?  By the way, you should get out of the city more often or at least get to your local zoo.  Those are deer, not goats.

I figured that I would use some thin styrene sheet between them. Once I clean up that area I'll install it then. I plan on leaving the domes off until after the helicopter is painted because they look to be a different color and I don't want to attempt to mask them.

I don't know what this whole deer business is, but around here we call 'em food! Dinner [dinner] Chef [C=:-)]

This is the first time I've seen babies in my back yard. They still have their spots and are very small... notice the wood pile behind them, that's all wood too small to split (size reference). No mother in site (Bambie?). Since I've lived here, the deer come through twice a day and eat everything... I mean everything! Like I said... goats! Big Smile [:D]

Was thinking you had some problems with your target recognition system.Laugh [(-D]  In my younger days, I was in a running group in San Antonio.  A friend and I were running through a residential area and saw a good looking black and white Great Dane roaming the street.  When we got back to where we had started, several members of the group asked us if we had seen the COW on the course.  We just looked at each other smiled and shook our heads.  Give them critters a couple of years and they'll be right tasty.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by jmabx on Sunday, August 9, 2009 4:48 PM

Ray, 1/144? How do you manage that? Looks like you handled it better than that last post! Wink [;)] (sorry couldn't resist) Can't wait to see some action on your Huey!

 lewbud wrote:

Was thinking you had some problems with your target recognition system.Laugh [(-D]  ... saw a good looking black and white Great Dane roaming the street. ... several members of the group asked us if we had seen the COW on the course. 

Laugh [(-D] Cow... now that's funny! I think somebody already got a taste of the mother so I might have to wait for these little guys! Dead [xx(]

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, August 9, 2009 5:23 PM
The more the merrier, consider the 1/144 UH-60/Yanshuf a part of the GB.  Looks great.

John

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, August 9, 2009 7:28 PM

John,

  Thanks. Woo Hoo, I got one done!  I'll probably try to do a 1/144 Seahawk as well. I have to have a break from the big tedious builds or i go nuts.

     Ray

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Posted by jmabx on Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:45 PM

Congrats on the first one down, Ray! I think that the little ones would drive me nuts before the big ones. Tongue [:P]

One last update for tonight... final results for the radar ground altimeter.

Also, filed off two molded on air scoops above the engines... looked way too fake. I took some .010 sheet styrene, taped it around a screw driver and and held it near a halogen lamp until it took a roundish shape. I then cut out two small pieces roughly to the shape of the old air scoops and glued them down. I leveled the edges with super glue, primed and sanded. They look okay now but we'll see what happens under a full coat of primer.

Still alot of work to do to this beast! Most of the seams have been filled, need to scribe a couple more panel lines, canopy, etc.

Speaking of the canopy. Since the doors will be open on the canopy, should I paint the interior color on the inside of the canopy? If so, does anyone have a trick for this? I'm afraid that if I paint the outside with the interior color first, then it will look too glossy when you peak inside. On aircraft it's not very noticable, especially with a closed canopy, but the Hind has some big doors and nice open space in the cockpit. What do you think? I would really appreciate some input on this. Cool [8D]

 

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:43 PM

Jeremy,

Mask the inside like you would the outside, just make sure the edges match up so you don't have either color showing through the opposite side.  The RGA looks good.

John,

I gonna get rid of a box I've been carting around for about, well longer than I'd care to admit.  Testors AH-1S in 1/48.  Don't know if it'll be US Army or JSDF markings.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:31 PM

OK, Buddy, I'll update the list.

Have I missed anyone or is the UH-60 in 1/144 the first to be finished?  

John

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Posted by Avus on Monday, August 10, 2009 1:18 AM
I'm away for a weekend and look at all the things that happened:

- Jeremy porcedding splendidly with his HindThumbs Up [tup]
- Ray posting pictures Big Smile [:D]
- Cavtanker is almost there, just needs to decapitate his pilot!Thumbs Up [tup]
- Jeremy mixing up deers with goats Big Smile [:D]
- Ray posting pictures, this time of a completed build!Thumbs Up [tup]

As for your question Jeremy, usually the interior color is painted from the outside; it's the first color you apply.
I've built a 1/35 Hind and you can't notice it's painted from the outside.

Klaus

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Posted by Justinryan215 on Monday, August 10, 2009 9:44 AM

I finally got some pics uploaded...not much done, but some is better than none, especially with a one year old runnin' around!

Beginnings of painting the 'pit:

the 'pit with Propaganda Kompany resin side gunner in "test fit" position:

Motor assembly (the molds for this chopper are horrible!):

The other Propaganda Side Gunner:

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Posted by jmabx on Monday, August 10, 2009 3:54 PM

 lewbud wrote:

Mask the inside like you would the outside, just make sure the edges match up so you don't have either color showing through the opposite side.  The RGA looks good.

Buddy, matching the edges is what I was afraid of. There are some serious curves to contend with and obviously no raised lines to run an xacto against like there is on the outside.

 avus wrote:
I've built a 1/35 Hind and you can't notice it's painted from the outside.

I'm going to trust you on that one, Klaus! If it's noticable though, you have to fix it for me! Big Smile [:D] I paint my planes from the outside, but being my first helo and realizing how much glass they have, I just needed an opinion from the pros here. Thumbs Up [tup]

BTW... Klaus, do you have any picture of the 1/35 Hind? I would love to see that! HUGE!

Justinryan - I'm curious... are you going to paint another color over the silver in your cockpit? Also, how are the Propaganda Kompany figures? I checked out their site but seems a little expensive to get them here from France!

Thanks to all! 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 10, 2009 4:50 PM
Interesting problem not encountered in most aircraft models! How about mask the inside and spray matte clear on the frames? Might be a little more forgiving?
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Posted by jmabx on Monday, August 10, 2009 8:34 PM

 bondoman wrote:
Interesting problem not encountered in most aircraft models! How about mask the inside and spray matte clear on the frames? Might be a little more forgiving?

Bondoman, you are a genius! Wish my brain worked like yours! Big Smile [:D]

Jeremy    Propeller

    

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 10, 2009 11:10 PM
 jmabx wrote:

 bondoman wrote:
Interesting problem not encountered in most aircraft models! How about mask the inside and spray matte clear on the frames? Might be a little more forgiving?

Bondoman, you are a genius! Wish my brain worked like yours! Big Smile [:D]

Be careful what you wish for...

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Posted by Avus on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:12 AM

Just like Jeremy I was wondering about the silver you chose for the cockpit, Justinryan.

 jmabx wrote:

 avus wrote:
I've built a 1/35 Hind and you can't notice it's painted from the outside.

I'm going to trust you on that one, Klaus! If it's noticable though, you have to fix it for me! Big Smile [:D]

NO WAY! 

 jmabx wrote:

BTW... Klaus, do you have any picture of the 1/35 Hind? I would love to see that! HUGE!

Here you go:

It's built OOB (no resin or PE was availble at the time) and due to hugeness i never finished the main rotor!

Klaus

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Posted by jmabx on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:27 PM
 bondoman wrote:
Be careful what you wish for...

Nick Nolte is a product of your genius? Confused [%-)]

BTW, bondoman, I checked out a few of your builds and I really like the subjects you model. Looking forward to seeing your progress here.

Klaus, very nice... hope mine comes out that good! Where do you put something that big?

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