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  • From: Caput Mundi
Posted by Avus on Friday, July 10, 2009 1:41 AM

Wow, Jeremy!
That's a neat little thingy.

Fascinating to hear that we are all in the I-opened-the-box phase of our builds.

Klaus

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Posted by jmabx on Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:07 PM

Here we go...

In a previous episode of "My struggle to build a helicopter" I had shaved off, drilled out and made a new "pipe" that sticks out the side of my earth repeller and it ended up being rather large...

No sweat! That is until LeopardMan Joe was gracious enough to inform me that my "pipe" was the APU exhaust. Now I just couldn't sleep at night knowing that the APU exhaust pipe was the size of a circus cannon. All fixed now... thanks alot Joe!Wink [;)]

No more major surgery in the works, I hope. I have the crew cabin just about ready to assemble and I laid down that horrible blue green cockpit color on the resin. Gonna take some time to pick out all the switches and boxes and gizmos in that cockpit.

BTW... the picture really dulled down the color of the cockpit. I'm sure you all know what it's supposed to look like. It's so bright and in your face... If I ever have to sit in anything that color, I hope it's a vw bus!

Jeremy

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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:58 PM
 jmabx wrote:

Here we go...

In a previous episode of "My struggle to build a helicopter" I had shaved off, drilled out and made a new "pipe" that sticks out the side of my earth repeller and it ended up being rather large...

No sweat! That is until LeopardMan Joe was gracious enough to inform me that my "pipe" was the APU exhaust. Now I just couldn't sleep at night knowing that the APU exhaust pipe was the size of a circus cannon. All fixed now... thanks alot Joe!Wink [;)]

No more major surgery in the works, I hope. I have the crew cabin just about ready to assemble and I laid down that horrible blue green cockpit color on the resin. Gonna take some time to pick out all the switches and boxes and gizmos in that cockpit.

BTW... the picture really dulled down the color of the cockpit. I'm sure you all know what it's supposed to look like. It's so bright and in your face... If I ever have to sit in anything that color, I hope it's a vw bus!

Jeremy

I'd rather be in the Hind myself.  Rides in a VW Bus are dime a dozen comparatively speaking.  You're right about the photos dulling down that color though.  Model Master has it almost right, the real thing is even brighter.  Nice job on the troop cabin.  Are you going to leave one of the loading doors open so it can be seen?

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:13 PM

I would like to join the Groupe build. I can do an Amodel 1/72 Soviet Ka-31, if that is ok

thanks

jd

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Posted by jmabx on Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:28 PM

lewbud - Thanks for the compliments! I would rather ride in a hind too... just goofin' on the color! I did use Model Master paint as it is my paint of choice. I will leave the door open to see inside. One thing I've learned about most Revell/Monogram kits is that if it's molded open, you're better off leaving it open.

It's hard to see anything once it is closed up. You need a flashlight and dental mirror to get a good look inside!Big Smile [:D] It's a shame because the detail in the troop cabin isn't bad at all.

On a side note... anyone seen the post in the aircraft forum titled "stupid mistakes"? Maybe I should post this here.

I picked up a nice set of Linden Hill Decal complete stencils for my Hind. While not the biggest or dumbest mistake in the world, once I had the troop cabin glued together I realized that I forgot about the stencils. DOH!Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid] At least I haven't permanently joined the fuselage together yet. Wish me luck with this one!

Jeremy

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:29 PM
OK, jd, you're in with the Ka-31.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Avus on Monday, July 13, 2009 1:42 AM
 jmabx wrote:

It's hard to see anything once it is closed up. You need a flashlight and dental mirror to get a good look inside!Big Smile [:D] It's a shame because the detail in the troop cabin isn't bad at all.

Agree on both the statements: that you won't see the detail and that your detail looks great. I particularly like the "diry-white" effect you archieved on the roof and the seats.

Following John's (jeaton01) suggestion I'm posting a link to my latest work, Academy's 1/35 Pave Hawk:

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Klaus

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Posted by Cavtanker on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:22 PM

Here's my nearing completion AH-1F model.  My questions are:  what can I do to make the blades a nice, consistent color while painting with a brush?  Second, what color should I use for the sight unit at the nose of the aircraft? 

 

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Posted by jmabx on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:52 PM

Cavtanker - Lookin' good! What manufacturer is your kit?

Right now I'm working on painting bits and pieces of my cockpit black and, while it's a smaller area than your blades, I'm having the same problem. No consistency. With one brush stroke it's flat, another gloss, lighter here, darker there, etc. The darker the color, the more pronounced the problem. I've almost come to the conclusion that I just can't brush paint.

I started this hobby with an airbrush and I'll probably die with it in my hand but with the amount of help I've found on these forums I'm sure someone can whip us into shape in no time! Wink [;)]

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:04 PM
Try a satin or flat clearcoat, tht's the only way I can do it with a brush.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Cavtanker on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:17 AM
This is a Hobbyboss kit.  The fit of the parts was almost perfect.  However, Hobbyboss leaves much to be desired in the lack of cockpit details.  I built two P-51s from this manufacturer two months back with only the cockpit seat and control stick.
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  • From: Canberra, Australia
Posted by Aussie747 on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:44 PM

Hobby Boss kits come in 2 guises, the nicely detailed kits with lovely cockpit and external details and the quick builds that have a pole for a control colum and only main detail supplied. The complexity of the kit is reflected in the price, you will pay an extra $10 or so for similarly sized kits.

I built the FA-18D recently and I replaced the seats and had to add lex fences, antenna and a tail hook from a Hasegawa kit. Conversely their MiG15 and F-86 Sabre kits have beautifully detailed cockpits.

Oh and your AH-1 looks great there Cavtanker

Cheers:

Ray

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:22 AM

 jeaton01 wrote:
Try a satin or flat clearcoat, tht's the only way I can do it with a brush.
I read a trio of the Brit a/c model mags. They all seem to be very good at brush work. The rules are:

no. 1 good brushes. And then (my own personal note) enter into a friendship with it and treat it like a friend. I know a little about that because I paint (write) Eastern Catholic icons, and in that line of prayer it's a point of theology to treat the brushes as blessed objects, because they do get blessed by the Priest and are. But from a secular viewpoint, as you know, good craftspersons in wood; there's a similar respect for a tool to do a single task well. And then get put away properly. My icon brushes don't even go in dirty water, let alone in my mouth.

B. They like the flat ones a lot.

And also, thin the paint at about 50% and just let it flow around. Don't try to push a pile across the surface. I think paint is sold way too thick. The a/b people know that, but brush painters should pay heed as well. It's not house paint.

I like to brush paint models as much as possible. I'm working on a very long range skill, to hand paint markings.

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Posted by Avus on Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:33 AM

Wow, Cavtanker, you're almost done and it looks great!

As for brush painting, having started this hobby as a figure painter, the trick is, as bondoman says, to thin the paint and it's better to apply more thin coats than one thick, never pass more than once over a painted zone or you'll get streaks.

I use acrylic colors, they dry fast (sometimes even too fast!) so you can give more hands in short time. With enamels you have to wait at least six hour between two coats and olis take an eternity (at least that's what I'm told).

HTH

Klaus

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:56 AM

Hi guys I have started my build, and I changed kits I am doing a Revell 1/72 Ka-29 "marine". she is a small build fit in the palm of my hand. I only have around two weeks and I have to have back surgery #4 , second this year. so if I dont get done I will pick up when I can.

Sorry for not takeing more pictures, but I forgot what I was doing and kept building. I will take more, Outstanding job on the Hind Interior. Shame you wont really Be able to see it all.

jd

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Posted by jmabx on Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:54 PM

Thanks to everyone for the compliments on my work... and thanks for the help with brush painting. All advise has been utilized and all worked out well.

JD - Hopefully surgery #4 will be your last... my best to ya! The Ka-29 is looking good... you work fast! I don't know much about helicopters but that thing is cool! After seeing yours, I tried to find a 1/48 kit but had no luck. They all seem to be 1/72 and that scale is too small for my clumsy hands. Too bad, it would look nice next to the Hind.

I've been poking along at my usual slow pace. The front cockpit is finished and the rear is about 1/8th finished. I added a few doo-dads and wires and stuff. Once again, I don't think much will be visible once she's closed up. I did my cockpit painting mostly based on pictures lewbud provided me with (thanks). Of all the Hind cockpit pictures I've found, not one looks or is set up the same so I kinda had to wing it a little. Confused [%-)]

I wish I had better lighting. There is a lot of detail that you can't see in these pictures. I use the halogen light at my workdesk for pics. Maybe flourescent(?) lights would make a difference?

Jeremy

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:01 PM
The black in the cockpit is underexposed because of the light backgound.  Try a darker background, set your camera to manual and try some longer exposures at the same or higher F-stops.  Use a tripod.  Get more light.  Halogen and florescent are about the same color temperature, if you can set your camera for that kind of light.  Use a mirror for fill, getting the highest light on the seat.  Try all those, take two aspirin, and maybe you will feel better in the morning.

John

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Posted by jmabx on Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:25 PM

John - Thanks, but uhhh... I have no idea what you just said. Maybe I'll take the aspirin now!Big Smile [:D]

I'm not too familiar with how cameras work and why they work... I just know that they do. I don't know the first thing about f-stops and manual longer exposures. I will try to change up the background. Maybe I'll play with the camera and see what kind of settings it has for f-stops and exposures... can't hurt.

Do you use the mirror to focus and intensify the light? Put it off to the side and shine the lamp on it?

Thanks for the input... I'll try some of your tricks and see what happens.Thumbs Up [tup]

*EDIT*

John, you're a genius! It's all smoke and mirrors... erh color and mirrors!

Thanks again!

Jeremy

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:45 PM
You're welcome.  But no genius, just been frustrated by cameras for many years.

John

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:40 PM

Made a little headway on the Ka-29, boy are the parts small and fragile, I had to go buy another kit to replace parts I broke.  Good thing the kit not that expensive.....

Trumpeter , if you are watching make one in 1/32 scale!!!!

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:41 PM

Made a little headway on the Ka-29, boy are the parts small and fragile, I had to go buy another kit to replace parts I broke.  Good thing the kit not that expensive.....

Trumpeter , if you are watching make one in 1/32 scale!!!!

The rotor assembly is going to be a bear, but the trick is to use the main shaft to align everything.

jd

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Posted by Avus on Monday, July 20, 2009 3:39 AM

Great work Jeremy and Sherman1111!
Both your russian helos are coming along very well.

As for me I'll post my first pictures tonight. Acutally it's not much but at least I start show something.

Klaus

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Posted by ludwig113 on Monday, July 20, 2009 9:36 AM

ok folks,a bit of an update.

heres what i started with,lots of gaps and not a very good fit.

and after a bit of work the bulkhead is in the right place and the gaps are filled and primered.

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Monday, July 20, 2009 11:00 AM

Think I am ready for paint:

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Posted by jmabx on Monday, July 20, 2009 11:28 AM
 ludwig113 wrote:

ok folks,a bit of an update.

Wow! Excellent work on that bulkhead! What a difference! What did you use to fill the large gaps? Also, how's the fit of the other kit pieces?

 Sherman1111 wrote:

Think I am ready for paint:

JD - That thing is gonna look evil!Evil [}:)] Can't wait to see it with some paint on!

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Posted by Avus on Monday, July 20, 2009 12:53 PM

Great work with those gaps ludwig113!

Indeed a mean-machine Sherman1111!

Here are the promised pics:




I added some PE to Cobra Co.'s resin to enhance the detail, scratch built the "Mickey-Mouse-Ears" (armored protection) and the seat protection and worked on the seat belts.

Klaus

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Posted by ludwig113 on Monday, July 20, 2009 2:36 PM
 jmabx wrote:
 ludwig113 wrote:

ok folks,a bit of an update.

Wow! Excellent work on that bulkhead! What a difference! What did you use to fill the large gaps? Also, how's the fit of the other kit pieces?

 

i used a super glue gel to fill most of the gaps and then i skimmed the surface with squadron green putty,sanded and primered.

the kit doesn't fit that well,i've had to superglue all the body parts so far and i had to shorten the floor by about 7mm to put it in the right place then i repositoned the console so the front glass would fit and i've just found the top "glass" doesn't have the right curve on it so i have to sort that as well...........Sigh [sigh]

paul

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Posted by jmabx on Monday, July 20, 2009 9:34 PM

Klaus - Lookin' good so far! After seeing your Pave Hawk in the Helicopter forum, I can't wait to see how this one turns out. Still considering the digital camo?

Paul - Sorry to hear that the whole kit is giving you a problem. Looks like you've been giving it the business end of your skills! Show it who's boss!Big Smile [:D]

As this is my first Group Build, I'm very excited to see everyones progress so far! I know that we only just started but this is cool! Can't wait for more! Keep it up fellas! I believe there is also a young lady participating here somewhere... Hope you don't mind if I include you in my last statement.

P.S. Please excuse the emotion expressed in the last paragraph... I think the underwear I have on came from my wife's side of the dresser this morning.Shy [8)]

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:52 PM

If it's not too late to join up, I'd like to sign up for a 1/32 Flat Iron UH-1V.

    Ray

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Posted by jmabx on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:51 PM

Ray - I can't speak for our fearless leader here, but I'm sure a new participant woud be welcome. (Sorry if I'm out of line John

Small update on the Hind...

...Finished the rear cockpit tonight. Looks decent. I tried to go for a shiny vinyl look on the seats but I don't think it came out as planned. It looks much better in person but still kinda... eh.

On all of the pictures I've seen of Hinds there is a fairly large vent(?) on the right side next to the exhaust that has a screen in it. On my kit it is completely molded over with a raised circle. It just looked, well silly. I drilled it out and found some small faucet screen to fit inside it. The screen may be somewhat large scale wise but it looks much better.

That's all for now... hope y'all like it!

 

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