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ARMOR - Sherman Family Group Build

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Posted by shermanfreak on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:13 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Build22
Think I'm going kitbashed firefly.

Now help me out here - still boning up on my SHERMOCOLOGY (This what this build is about, right. )


With a firefly:

Some were M4A1 hulls known as "IC" - shorter than M4A4 hulls
Most were M4A4 hulls known as "VC" with V VSS susupension - some were HVSS - but not many
--------M4A4 hulls - have to close off front machine gun port
Two hatch turret was bumped out to make room for 17# breech
Steel chevron tracks
Any other sherman variations? - Yeah, usually had british occupants



Try to help a little bit here.
M4 = Ic (includes composite hull M4)
M4A1 = IIc (rare)
M4A2 = IIIc (non existant)
M4A3 = IVc (very rare, I think only 4 or 5 built)
M4A4 = Vc (most common variant)

To the best of my knowledge, no HVSS (E-8) except as a test bed.

Just about any Sherman track .... not limited to Steel Chevron.

Loader's hatch was changed to a square hatch.

rear of the turret was cut out and an armoured box added.

Used by British, Canadian, Polish forces for sure.

U.S. M4A3 variant may have seen action once.

Hope this helps a bit.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:59 PM
What's the S Model Kit like?

I've got the old Verlindin conversion sitting around.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:59 PM
..............looks like a hyunadi sante fe............jeffl
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by mark956

QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman


What an ugly Tank

I agree Jon, but it's a Sherman you gota love it.
mark956


it looks better without the turret
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:22 PM
I kinda like the looks of it!! its added Robert
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Posted by mark956 on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman


What an ugly Tank

I agree Jon, but it's a Sherman you gota love it.
mark956
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:09 PM
none of the fireflys had fron machine guns, to make room for ammo
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Posted by Build22 on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:04 PM

I think it's great, ....... in an ugly, bumpy sort of way.



Think I'm going kitbashed firefly.

Now help me out here - still boning up on my SHERMOCOLOGY (This what this build is about, right. )


With a firefly:

Some were M4A1 hulls known as "IC" - shorter than M4A4 hulls
Most were M4A4 hulls known as "VC" with V VSS susupension - some were HVSS - but not many
--------M4A4 hulls - have to close off front machine gun port
Two hatch turret was bumped out to make room for 17# breech
Steel chevron tracks
Any other sherman variations? - Yeah, usually had british occupants



Jim [IMG]
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Posted by shermanfreak on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:13 PM
Have to admit ... it is a bit of a dog's breakfast isn't it !!!
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:57 PM

What an ugly Tank
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:57 PM
If I get mine done with lots of time to spare, I'll throw a 72 in as well
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Posted by mark956 on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:35 PM
You are the man Robert. Bow [bow]
mark956
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Posted by shermanfreak on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:31 PM
Edog - start date is officially January 15th, but I fully understand the time constraints that you are dealing with. AFV's Sherman suspension is probably the most fidgety of all the companies ..... have fun.

Tom - Welcome aboard, good to hear from you again.

Digger - You convinced me so add the Ram to my build list. In addition to the Friefly, I'll do S-Models Ram Mk.II.


Chris - I may regret it ...... but add it to the list !!
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by mark956 on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:16 PM
That would be a great model to add to the group build edog.
mark956
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:48 PM
Tom, nice to see you around for this one! Drop me an e-mail sometimes!

Domi
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:41 PM
All I have to say is WOW!!! This is my first attempt at this kind of suspension since my Tamiya M3 Lee about 11 years ago and things have really changed. The AFV suspension housings come with 12 parts each. The best part is that once I have finished this jigsaw puzzle, I will have a working suspension. Did I mention that the AFV Club M10 also comes with an aluminum barrel and the main gun has real recoil action if you push it back!!!! This kit has a lot of little fidgety bits and the plastic is a little on the brittle side, but it is packed with detail!!! I really think I got a good bargain for $30 on this one. I saw this kit on sale for $22 at my LHS yesterday though.Angry [:(!]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:47 PM
hello Robert,well i have a sherman started so i dont meet all the rules but i will try and have it done by your deadline.maybe you can use some of that paint i sent you on the sherman.i finally used some of it and i liked it.take care-Tom Martell
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:49 PM
SHERMOCOLOGY 201 LOLBig Smile [:D]

that'd be a great name for this group build. Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:49 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edog
I have however found an unexpected benefit of building allied armor. I am used to working with the beige Tamiya plastic that accompanies most German kits that I buy. Unfortunately, Tamiya has engineered their plastic so that it perfectly matches one of the many shades of my carpet. OD plastic on the other hand contrasts my carpet quite well and has cut down on the amount of time that I spend on my hands and knees!!!!!


Beware!!! The "Carpet Black Hole of Lost Parts which are Important" still exists even for builders of allied armor.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:38 AM
When is the start date? Well… I guess I have started a little early, but I have to because next semester is going to be a tough one in school. The AFV M10 is coming along nicely, but those little bolts on the side of the hull where a PAIN!! 26 total I think and they were each two pieces. That is a LOT of sanding little bits.

I have however found an unexpected benefit of building allied armor. I am used to working with the beige Tamiya plastic that accompanies most German kits that I buy. Unfortunately, Tamiya has engineered their plastic so that it perfectly matches one of the many shades of my carpet. OD plastic on the other hand contrasts my carpet quite well and has cut down on the amount of time that I spend on my hands and knees!!!!!

Sadly, I fear that this time gained will be spent on the extra work needed to put the suspension together and clean it up. Sherm, how do you do it!?!?!?!?!
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Monday, December 29, 2003 11:50 PM
This my be true on the ram but it does bring up an intersting topic does it not?DiggerSmile [:)]Cowboy [C):-)]Smile [:)]
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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Posted by mark956 on Monday, December 29, 2003 11:40 PM
Good to have you aboard build22. I would go with the kitbashed firefly.
mark956
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Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, December 29, 2003 10:51 PM
Digger - words of warning .... don't even think it. LOL

It's a long way from a Ram to a Sherman ... or vice versa.

There's been a couple of conversion kits put out over the years ... none of them great.
I have the S-Models conversion.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 29, 2003 9:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by diggeraone

No but it does not look like it would be very hard to convert one from the basic Sherman kit.DiggerSmile [:)]Cowboy [C):-)]Smile [:)]


Famous last words Clown [:o)]
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Monday, December 29, 2003 9:42 PM
No but it does not look like it would be very hard to convert one from the basic Sherman kit.DiggerSmile [:)]Cowboy [C):-)]Smile [:)]
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 29, 2003 9:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by diggeraone

I was wondering after looking in my books on tank,if any one has built a Canadain ram
verant of the Sherman.Ho I am in for today due to my truck is not ready to go yet.[elecitcal probelms]Also looking forward to this build project.DiggerSmile [:)]Cowboy [C):-)]Smile [:)]


That's one you don't see everyday. I take it you have a conversion kit?
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Monday, December 29, 2003 9:08 PM
I was wondering after looking in my books on tank,if any one has built a Canadain ram
verant of the Sherman.Ho I am in for today due to my truck is not ready to go yet.[elecitcal probelms]Also looking forward to this build project.DiggerSmile [:)]Cowboy [C):-)]Smile [:)]
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, December 29, 2003 8:23 PM
Mr Viking - re: tracks. I'd use the ones that come in the kit .... any Tamiya track ain't half bad.

Build 22 - an interesting set of choices !!!!
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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  • From: Upstate NY
Posted by Build22 on Monday, December 29, 2003 6:52 PM

Okay, Okay, - I'm in Thumbs Up [tup]


Gotta decide between:

Kitbashed Fire fly - (started collecting before Dragon's new release)
-----MP M4a4 Hull
-----Cast-off turret
-----AFV suspension
-----Accurate armor tracks
-----Verlinden - sherman stowage


or

M-7 Preist w/PE and kangaroo (yes -both - I'll just double everything)
-------the kangaroo would be a "kit rescue" - it was started by a neighbors kid - many pieces missing and globbed on glue. The patient may die but it will be an interesting operation.


Can't decide - but I don't know if I can attempt the firefly. I haven't pasted SHERMOCOLOGY 201yet . I have been studying and the tudoring is helping but I don't know if I'm up to snuff.


Either way - I'm in



Jim [IMG]
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, December 29, 2003 4:06 PM
well it should be interesting if I get my M10 down before March 15, should be nip and tuck.

I have to build tamiya's Me262 (clear) and the gloster meteor w/V1 by about the middle of Feb. as well as this GB.
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