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Before They Were Aces-The First Aircraft of the Aces

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Posted by pordoi on Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:50 PM

bondoman

JEaton said;

Don, Fiery Ginger came together very well.  I'd like to see the pilot a bit higher in the cockpit when taxiing the airplane, but it looks fine as is.  Nice wear and tear.

Well, as you know, the bane of the Crew Chief was the Jug, because he had to lie on the starboard wing, one hand around a gun barrel (oh stop it) and the other waving like mad to the pilot until they got to the takeoff point. Then jump in the truck. I'm told by very reliable sources that this was universal torture.

 

After JEaton's comment, I've been looking for a 1/48 prone figure to mount on the wing.  No luck.  If anyone has suggestions, let me know.

Don

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:39 PM

satch_ip

 Hans von Hammer:

Is the terrain sand or dirt?

 

Desert Caliche (calcium carbonate and limestone) and some dry lake bed sands as well.

 

Now Caliche, I know.. I'm from Texas.. Thanks, SaTch...

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Posted by satch_ip on Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:12 PM

Hans von Hammer

Is the terrain sand or dirt?

Desert Caliche (calcium carbonate and limestone) and some dry lake bed sands as well.

 
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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:37 AM

JEaton said;

Don, Fiery Ginger came together very well.  I'd like to see the pilot a bit higher in the cockpit when taxiing the airplane, but it looks fine as is.  Nice wear and tear.

Well, as you know, the bane of the Crew Chief was the Jug, because he had to lie on the starboard wing, one hand around a gun barrel (oh stop it) and the other waving like mad to the pilot until they got to the takeoff point. Then jump in the truck. I'm told by very reliable sources that this was universal torture.

When F-in-Law got out of Beaufighters, his pilot who'd been betting his life on Don for 4 years got a -47 and asked him to come along. "not 'nless there's a backseat in that ugly POS".

2 months later Atwater died in a landing accident.

I've got a Republic prop job in the stash waiting for the time to do her right. Hint: R4360.

HVH I've been out of town for a while but I'd like to do Scat 3 if it's not too late.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:39 PM

Is the terrain sand or dirt?

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Posted by satch_ip on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:53 PM

The annual average precipitation at Tonopah is 5.84 Inches. Rainfall in is fairly evenly distributed throughout the year. The wettest month of the year is March with an average rainfall of 0.69 Inches.

from some random weather site.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:01 PM

Tonopah is high desert country on the lee side of the Sierra Nevada.  It can get rain or snow but not usually heavy because the mountains wring out most of the moisture.  Most of the time it is dry, but there can be the occaissonal rain.  Mostly dry washes and alkali though.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:29 AM

Regarding the diorama base... I'm at a crossroads here.. The one that's pictured is just a bit of plaster that's painted brown, but I like the effect that the tracks made with the shiny parts.. Those were quite by accident, but it got me thinking.. So many dios are done on nice, neat grass strips, concrete, or PSP'd runways &  hardstands, how about a muddy airstrip?  Keeping in mind that this takes place at Tonopah Army Airfield in the early fall of 1943, I imagine that Anderson at least ONCE must have landed on an auxilialry strip nearby that got the occasional rainstorm...

I'm not familiar with the terrain there though, so I don't know if it's more like the Mojave near Fort Irwin or if there's even a chance for mud... If you have any ideas, sound off..

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:14 AM

And just for a "WW2" look:

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:12 AM

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:08 AM

 

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:40 AM

"Old Crow" has hit a stopping point until I can get some dry-transfer numbers & letters ordered, and some color printer ink...

Meanwhile, The diorama base construction begins..

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Posted by pordoi on Sunday, February 7, 2010 11:57 AM

Wabashwheels

The white tail paint looks great.  Is that a flat white with some weathering? 

 

Yes, Tamiya flat white oversprayed with a very dilute 1:1 mixture of the body color and Tamiya Buff, then some weathering with pigments and sealed with a light coat of Testors flat coat.

Don

 

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:22 PM

Don, Great looking T'bolt. I've seen some about Kearby on the Military Chanel lately.  That always makes for some interesting  building.  The white tail paint looks great.  Is that a flat white with some weathering?  I've been leary of putting white on the exterior.  I haven't been able to make it look right.  Watching your build has me fired up to make Gentile's "Donnie Boy"  (another Before He Was an Ace Build).  I think Super Scale made the sheet, but I think it is out of production.  I'll keep an eye out for it on ebay.  Great work, I'll keep an eye out for more.   Rick

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, February 6, 2010 7:48 PM

Don, Fiery Ginger came together very well.  I'd like to see the pilot a bit higher in the cockpit when taxiing the airplane, but it looks fine as is.  Nice wear and tear.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, February 6, 2010 7:45 PM

Rick, the Spitfire looks great, nice work.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by pordoi on Saturday, February 6, 2010 6:14 PM

Very nice job on Gentile's Spitfire, Wabash.  Great background for the photos. 

 

Don

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Posted by pordoi on Saturday, February 6, 2010 6:07 PM

Fiery Ginger is done.  Some weathering with pigments to dirty it up a bit, then glue on the canopy, guns and aerial and here she is.  A walk around;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments and critiques are welcome. 

Don

 

 

 

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Posted by satch_ip on Friday, February 5, 2010 10:25 PM

Very nice.  I've got 3 Spits on order. 

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Friday, February 5, 2010 10:08 PM

I've made some more good progress on Gentile's Spitfire.  Covered with Model Master Enamals and a national brand glosscoat.  Decals really took some work, especially trying to duplicate pictures that I found.  Its funny to see things I still have to fix when I scrutinize the photos, but this has been a blast.  I thank Hans for for the Group Build.  I'm still going to put together a diorama .  But there is still plenty to do on the aircraft.  In between paint and decals, I've got a good start on a Pro Modeler P-40E.  I'll put a few pics of that on the Aircraft Page this weekend.  Rick

 

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:32 PM

Satch,   Thanks for the info on Don Gentile's MD-T/ BL255.  I've seen pictures of that craft.  I had caught wind that he flew two other numbered Spitfires with the MD-T personal markings.  I also knew that he flew the last Spitfire for only a few weeks with the two kill markings and British Roundels, before being absorbed into the USAAF's 4th Fighter Group.  I found a picture in a 4th Fighter Group Book that showed Gentile's British Roundelled Spitfire bearing the number BM355.  The location of the squadron/personal letters on the starboard side of the fuselage created a problem where the aircraft number is partially covered by the squadron letters.  I didn't like it at first, but I tried it and it looks kind of cool.  I've seen it on other aircraft, but I'm not absolutely sure that it is dead on correct.  I had to piece the aircraft number together from three different sets, and I had some silvering difficulties on the Squadron Code.  I've touched all that up and need to do some weathering.  I may try to put  together in a little diorama, but for now I'd like to finish up the aircraft itself.  I'll probably submit a couple of pictures this week of the progress.  Thanks again for looking out for me.  Isn't all this research fun? 

Rick

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:26 AM

vetteman42

Mr Hans von Hammer your trouble shooting skills never cease to amaze me, thats great news buddy.

Heh, I was geting to the point where I was going to carve down a stab from the scrapyard, turn it into a damaged P-39 stab and cook up some storyline about Anderson flying too low and suffering a bird strike or something...

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Posted by Aaronw on Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:52 AM

Ok, I'm just getting started with the Special Hobby 1/72 F3F-2. This looks like a nice clean little kit, it includes some resin and PE so has more detail than the old AIrfix and Monogram kits I've been doing lately.

I'll be using the option to build the aircraft Robert Galer flew for VMF-2 in 1940. He went on to become the squadron leader for VMF-224 during the fighting at Guadalcanal and was credited with 11 kills. He also commanded a Marine Air Group in Korea during the Korean war.  

 

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 10:38 PM

Mr Hans von Hammer your trouble shooting skills never cease to amaze me, thats great news buddy.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by darson on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 6:22 PM

It's not much of an update but I just ordered a whole bunch of very nice resin bits and pieces for my Gabby Gabreski Spitfire Mk.IX from the good folks at Ultracast.  I have used their stuff many times before and it is superb. 

Hopefully I should be able to kick-off in a couple of weeks.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:34 PM

I've been casting figures and stuff like engines, gearboxes, tires, but this was my first casting of a part this thin... Hit it with casting #3...

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Posted by pordoi on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:31 PM

Hans von Hammer

Weee!!!  I successfully made a replacement casting for the missing stab!!  Back to work on "Old Crow"!!

 

You have much more patience than I, Hans.   Bow Down Bow Down

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 11:30 AM

Weee!!!  I successfully made a replacement casting for the missing stab!!  Back to work on "Old Crow"!!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:43 PM

Hans I have to tell you that I have had more fun researching stuff for this GB.  It has really got me back into the hobby. 

Glad you enjoy doing research... That was one of my goals in this build, to see if some folks would be willing to do some research.  I feel one needs to know a bit about what they're building, why it was the way it was, ya know?

Since then I have delved deeper into the AFAA site and found some cool things. 

It is a great site... Believe it or not, I found some thing in there regarding my Dad's WW2 service that I didn't know (He flew a Jug as well as P-38s & P-51s.. I don't recall him ever talking about the P-47), as well as my Uncle John (Dad's brother- I had another Uncle John-Mom's brother, who was captured at Bataan), a P-39 pilot in the Cactus Air Force (I'm doing his P-39 for the Guadalcanal GB!)...

I am looking at Heinz Bar's Bf 109 E as it appeared in the early summer of 1940.  Bar got his 5th kill on Aug 23 and his 10th on Sep 9th.

Kewl.., Luftwaffe Experten (The Germans didn't use the the term, "Ace") had to have 10 or more for the title...

There's no limit on the number of entries, so enjoy your reseach, and have fun doining it!  I'm looking forward to what all of you guys come up with!

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Posted by vetteman42 on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:37 AM

satch_ip

I ordered them direct from Eagle Editions.  http://www.eagle-editions.com/

 

Satch

Thank you Satch I just ordered them

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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