FW-190 Reich Defender III 5/10-2/11

Guy the pit looks good. You have build enough Eduard 190's that you probally do not even need the instuctions sheet anymore I bet!

Frank looks like you are all ready to start slining the paint buddy. I see once agian you are employing the patented Frankenstyro paint platfrom. Looking foward to seeing some color on it.

nomad68

Ahhh... Excellent work on that 109!  Now that is a awesome spectacle, a 109 and a 190 in the same photo!  Well done.

chewybr- welcome aboard!  I added your name to the roster, just let me know which one you are going to build and I will add it to page 1. 

Great work everyone, lots of great progress photos!

I finished masking up mine this morning, ready for paint now!

Wondering if I can join in this GB. im looking at getting either the eduard fw190d or tamiya fw190d d-9

Jeremy- Great work on the paint, looks excellent!

Guy- Nice work on your tail surgery and office space!

Just checked back, it shows up now. Office looks great!!!!!

Dont know why you cant see it when the others can? Very strange. See if you can see these. Cockpits done!

...Guy

Guy, can't see your pic on my end, but I bet it looks great as Jeremy said.

Jeremy. I would agree with Crushlikins and say that the paint work looks fine as is!!! The mottling looks fine as well, just not enough of it for me.

Nomad, that is some fine specimens of Reich Defenders you have there!!

That should make for an intresting build Guy. Seems Frank has cast a spell on you and has you really tied into this GB! I am definetely in for at least one more a bit later too.

Jeremy Karen left you all alone unsupervised?  It has been threating rain all day here too haven't seen a drop yet and I cancelled my trip to the range for nothing! Needless to say the Garand was very sad. I like the non standard colors and scheme. The fuslage colors look good to me buddy. Nice work.

Soulcrusher

Hey everyone nice work

Jeremy paint looks great

jmabx You asked me how I did post shading a few posts back sorry I didnt get back sooner.

I start by spraying the base color. Then take and empty almost all the base color back in the bottle and add a drop of white in the cup. blow air back through the cup to mix "backfeed like you are cleaning. Spray the middle of the panels only, more paint in center. Then put a few drops of black in and spray panel lines. Now throw away this paint start over with your base paint lightly over the area until you get it to look the way you want it. I am getting used to a new airbrush and have done better I need a smaller needle but I sneeked in a 109 with my WIP picture to show you finished product. On the late war 109 I used Tamiya smoke to further darken panel line area. I masked the panels off with post it notes and lightly sprayed smoke. Hope that helps and I didnt bore you guys too much.

Great hacking skills Guy! 

Well, it's raining here so no outside chores and the wifey is out for the day so I decided to lay down the rest of the camo.

I'm not too fond of the way the mottle came out on the port side but I'm going to leave it alone. The RLM63 worked out okay for primer, I think. It's light and looks almost like the 76 from some angles. Still lots of work to do so I better get busy!

Krow - I can't wait to see what your bird will look like!

My 1/24 build ,Black 12 has 75/77 (primer) as wing splinter camo .Page 69 Squadron/signal Fw 190 d walkaround . RLM 77 (primer) not to be confused with RLM 02 .Late stages of the war ,planes were assembled from wrecks , and assemblies were from all over , and supplies of camo paint were running out .My build also has nmf wing under side and under  fuselage nmf as well .Recent reading also suggests nmf landing gear bays as well for planes with the nmf  wing undersides. I would not be so worried about this ,I like to see the modelling skills ,before I judge the camo scheme .A prior posting in this GB shows a lotta books ,none of which I have (but want!) , I still have enough research materials to do the plane I wish.

Well, ive sort of started. In amongst loads of other chores, i hacked the tail of a perfectly good D-9 to check the 'Big Tail' fitted ok. It does,

More soon,

...Guy

Jeremy id say it was the standard RLM 75. This is very grey and a standard colour for early Doras. So many people have tried analysing and dissecting black and white pictures to find subtle changes in hue but im sure this can all be accounted for by bad film, different lighting conditions, paint deterioration etc etc. Its only if someone has a piece in thier grubby mitts, that itself hasnt been degraded by time, can say catagorically if the colour is right or wrong,

...Guy

Thanks so much to everyone for all the help! I really appreciate it!

Mike (Luftwaffle) - The closest color to a primer grey in my arsenal would be RLM63 which looks like it could work... not far off from 77 from what I can tell. Thanks again!

Frank- Spinner looks great, I used a mask for the first time on mine and was pretty happy with the results.

Jeremy- Primer gray is indeed correct.  This is from the High Guru of the Fw 190, Jerry Crandall.  RLM 02 was out of general use by 1945, any use of it as an exterior camo color would have been exceptionally rare (read never).  When my A-8 is finished I'll probably be doing a Dora-9 as "Yellow 11" of II./JG 2 which featured the same color scheme on the wings, I'm considering using RLM 77.  Hopefully I'll be seeing one of my buddies at our club meeting today who is also exceptionally knowledgeable (he is credited in Jerry Crandall's books on the 190)  on the 190 today and I'll get some input from him.

Awwwwwwwwwww... Well, I have ten models on the bench right now, including finishing two old builds, so I'd better get busy and live up to the reputation we Mikes seem to be developing round here!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

SC- M/TB379 is right- the Tamiya black green is considerably lighter than the MM stuff.  Darkening it up with some black seems to fix the problem.

I was just thinking about how many Mikes we have here!  I am seeing a definite correlation between excellent building and the name Mike.

SC -- Tamiya Schwatrzgrun is definitely lighter than MM.

M/TB379

Jeremy that is a great start to your painting!!!! Hope you find the right colors.

You know there is nothing I like more than a spiral painted spinner Frank! Looks lovely. You darkend up the blackgreen even more? Is it just the Tamiya that is off or do you think the MM colors is too green also?

Soulcrusher

Jeremy- I did some digging through my very limited resources on the Dora, and found an interesting bit about "Yellow 10" also featured on that sheet.  The wings of this well-documented D-13 featured a heavily mottled application of 82/83 over the upper wing surfaces, but there was also a fair amount of 75 showing through those other colors.  Perhaps your aircraft was painted with 82/75 on the wings?

Jeremy- Hmmm... primer grey, huh?  Is that the Errormaster Aeromaster sheet?  That sounds unlikely, perhaps a faded 75 on the wings?  I'll have a looksie at my references to see if I can come up with anything.

Alrighty SC... these pics are for you!  Put the spiral decal on tonight, still a little wet in the photo.  I was a little concerned about how the Eduard spiral would fit onto the Tamiya hub, but it worked out fine.  After a satin coat, weathering to come!  Also painted the prop, with a 50/50 mix of Tamiya XF-27 Black Green and XF-1 Black. 

Jeremy I have never heard of the term primer grey in reguard to Luftwaffe. It could mean RLM 02 which was used in alot of the interior areas.  74 75 76 was the norm for the last three years of the war. unless you have pictures of the exact plane painted in any other colors this is what I would stick with. Even with the late war 190's being pieced together I still have never seen and with any outter panels in RLM 02. I have seen alot bare metail subsections some grayviolet panels on the underside and even the non standard greyblue that my 190 build had but not RLM 02.

Yes you better clean up that mess there young man! You know what I always say. A messy bench is an accident wating to happen usally resulting in something spilling on your build. Thanks for the meatball sammie! That hit the spot. The missus sure knows how to make em

Clebode Guy has super powers. He can build so fast somtimes he can complete a build before it has even been released! Seriously though what Guy posted was just some pictures of the new kit.

Soulcrusher

Benzdoc Mike---Add my welcome aboard too.  From the look of your office, you are a PE master.    I am looking forward to watching your build.

Jeremy---Well done on the painting so far.  I'll defer to others more knowledgeable, but "primer gray" may mean RLM 02 the color my reference indicates was used overall on prototypes.  The same sorce indicates the Luftwaffe primer color was red.

Guy---I'm confused.  Have you built the Zoukei-mura Ta152H-1?  The site you linked says it doesn't come out until the fall of '10.

SC - Thanks for the help with the antenna! One meatball sammich in the mail sir!

Benzdoc - Nice start! The PE in your cockpit is really going to look good.

I managed to spray some RLM75 on today. It's only in one spot on this particular plane so that made things easy. I was having some trouble getting my paint thinned the way I like so I ended up with a little speckle of overspray here and there. Once the paint is dry, I'll lightly wet sand with some 1200 grit to take care of that problem.

Please excuse the messy bench. I know Mr. Crusher won't let it slide!

One strange thing is that the decal sheet says that the upper part of the wings should be primer grey. Anyone ever hear of this? Did the Germans use light grey primer like that? I assume that the tail should be painted the same way? Sounds odd, but if that's the way it is, that's the way I'll paint it!

Never mind the stains on the instruction sheet... I tend to drool.

Thanks a million Guy!!!! Your tops and I wish I was your son!!

Great stuff there Mike, your work is very clean!  Keep those WIP pics coming!

Guy- You're an animal, but you knew that, didn't you?  You must have a fully staffed shop in the back room turning out 190's faster than the Reich could have ever hoped for LOL.  I added your big tail Dora to the list!

NP at all Richie, ive PM'ed the details.

I did buy the Eduard 190D. So add me for another, Frankengenius. This one is going to be a 'Big Tail'

...Guy

It is a fantastic kit. There are a few bits to watch out for but seeing as i built one not long ago, for this GB, i shopuld be golden....ish LOL,

...Guy