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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:46 PM

OWL - Nice scratch work in the gear bays! Never thought of using paperclips...hmm...

Gamera - LOL at the Christmas-light bedecked MIG! But if you want to go total redneck you'd have to replace the tires with swampers and take it mudding! With the requisite Calving pissing on Sukhoi sticker, of course...

The Wildcats continue their slow progress toward paint. I got a few rare moments of daytime modeling this afternoon, and got some final bits installed (though, since these are going in the kids' rooms, I decided to fill in the pitot tube holes...they'd just get broken off anyway). Also got the cowls stuffed and ready for priming, and managed to mask off what will probably be the single hardest mask line on these birds - the colored tails.

I'd been hoping to prime tonight, but it's raining, so I may have to divert over the to Soviet planes again if it doesn't clear up...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:49 PM

Thanks for all the comments guys. The Mig sold for $59,454.00NZD.

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Posted by Aggieman on Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:15 PM

Pictures!

I finally got the paint I'd been waiting on and then, as important, time at the bench.  And after tonight's painting session, it is almost time to order more paint (although this will not delay my work unless I have massive touch-up requirements).

I left all of those areas unpainted over the Krylon primer coat reasoning that there was not much sense in wasting the white aluminum paint on areas that I knew would either be magnesium or dark aluminum.

Here she is all taped up and ready to go (back to the painting bench, that is)

Then I discovered that the magnesium alclad paint doesn't seem to cover the black Krylon.  So it was back to the white aluminum (which is why I'm not on the verge of running out again).  Now letting that paint cure before I return to the bench in a few days to resume magnesium painting.  And while it may appear that I'm getting close, I don't feel like that is the case.  There are going to be many more painting sessions preceded by massive masking sessions - there will be dark aluminum and polished aluminum panels I will pick out, and the tip of the rudder, the front landing gear cover, and the engine intakes will all require first a coat of white then a coat of red.  And I plan to paint the wing walk lines.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 19, 2010 8:44 AM

Steven - man that thing is looking epic! It's interesting to hear that the Magnesium doesn't cover over Krylon. Was considering using that or Steel Alclad for the La-5's exhaust plating...good to know.

More progress and a nice little hitch last night. Got the tails and cockpits masked, sprayed the interior color on the canopies (let's hope I did the masking right!), then decanted some Tamiya white primer to airbrush onto the wings, forward cowl, and where the yellow fuselage ring will go.

By the end of the night, the Tamiya white ended up in the trash. Doesn't spray on well, and I found out last night that it doesn't seem to airbrush very well, either. At various pressures and distances, it seemed to "congeal" after maybe a few minutes and then spit a dusty finish all over everything. Clean up was awful, too. The stuff gummed up the airbrush worse than anything I've ever sprayed before.

Maybe it was just the can...but I think next time I need a white undercoat for yellow or what-have-you, I'll just overspray some Mr. Surfacer with Vallejo or Tamiya white.

Guess I'll be wet sanding tonight!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by eatthis on Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:33 AM

what scale is that peacemaker its HUGE!!!

iv finally found the model im gonna go with its a 1/48 scale tornado with about 50% nmf i started it today

its the iteleri  black panther ids no 2688

 

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:33 PM

sheesh, Aggieman. That thing is huge! But its looking good!! Wink

DoogsATX, I'm sorry to hear about the paint troubles. IT gets frustrating really quick..

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I got a bit done yesterday...not too much because of a double shift at work and then watching the Huskers dominate on the Washington Huskies 56-21!!

I attached teh nose cone, but it was a smaller diameter than the rest of the fuselase. A bit of sanding and I was able to get it smooth.

 

OWL

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:39 PM

OWL - it's looking really great. IMO the nose cone is what "makes" that plane!

The paint troubles...yeah...frustrating beyond belief, but it's my fault for going back to the Tamiya white again and again trying to make it work. Strange because I use Tamiya grey all the time for small interior parts and such, and it works great...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, September 19, 2010 2:27 PM

It is big.  I have difficulty just getting into a position where I can paint.

As for painting, I was able to put down the coat of magnesium today after church.  Went on nice and looks good although it doesn't seem to look like the magnesium in many of the photos I see.  I am using the book "Magnesium Overcast" as a reference guide - the areas that are indicated as magnesium don't appear to be the same color that the paint is.  The paint looks more like burnt metal to my eyes, but then I am by no means an expert.  In any event, the magnesium paint is certainly different than the white aluminum and provides for good visual interest, so it gets to stay.

And I tried putting the magnesium directly over krylon black again today on the bomb bay doors, that I neglected to paint white aluminum last night.  The alclad seemed to cover just fine today.  Perhaps my lighting is not good enough to work late at night like I did yesterday.

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Posted by B17Pilot on Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:10 PM

Been away for a while, I was finishing up my 109 for the BoB build

OWL - Nice sctratch work on the landing gear bays!!

Aggieman - Wow I bet that thing will take more paint than my 1/48 B-17 I did for NMF 1!!  Good job on painting

Doogs - If I need a white under coat I just use MM white and haven't had any problems with using it.

Well I went to place a metalizer sealer on my 757 and the sealer attacked a portion of the paint Angry Which is weird cause I've done many NMF birds and this is the first time its done this, maybe I got a bad batch or something.  Well I cleaned up the bad part and resprayed the NMF and its drying.  Hopefully this week I can put some sealer on it (which hopefully won't attack the paint this time) and then get the AA marknings on it.  I did get her on her landing gear in the mean time.

  

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:13 PM

Aggieman - Wow I bet that thing will take more paint than my 1/48 B-17 I did for NMF 1!!  Good job on painting

Thanks.  But even in 72nd scale, the B-36 is a bigger kit than the 48th scale B-17.  I think when the Peacemaker was first released in around '80, it was proclaimed the largest scale injection molded model kit ever produced.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:40 PM

Aggieman

 

Aggieman - Wow I bet that thing will take more paint than my 1/48 B-17 I did for NMF 1!!  Good job on painting

Thanks.  But even in 72nd scale, the B-36 is a bigger kit than the 48th scale B-17.  I think when the Peacemaker was first released in around '80, it was proclaimed the largest scale injection molded model kit ever produced.

 

This got me curious. Surely it can't be bigger than the B-52? Still trying to find the answer there...though I guess maybe the swept versus straight wings could make the difference.

But along the way, I found this shot of a B-36 next to a B-29. Holy cow! I knew the B-36 was a big ol' bomber, but I never had any conception of just how big next to its predecessor. And considering the -29 dwarfed the B-17...geez.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by redraider56 on Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:13 PM

Doogs, I got a book with that pic and it amazes me every time

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:50 PM

Excellent work all round peoples!!!!

Steve, I remember wanting that kit untill I found out it was bigger than even the 48 B-29!!!! If I remember, the box said 38 inch span, even in 1/72!!!!

OWL/Anna some excellent work on those gear bays!!!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:56 PM

Yes, the B-36 dwarves even the B-52. B-52 rings in around 185ft and the B-36 at 230!!!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, September 20, 2010 7:28 AM

Aggie -- if I remember correctly, the Monogram 1:72 B-36 remains the largest injecion aircraft model ever made, still beating the Trumpeter 1:72 Tu-95 Bear (it is 1:72, right?) on total span and mass. However the largest injection kit of any description I believe remains the Nichimo 1:200th battleship Yamato, at nearly five feet long.

Anybody got any other candidates? I could offer the 1:35th scale Dora railway gun (which coincidentally is the Internet Hobbies commercial in the right hand column as I type this!) as a candidate for greatest sheer mass, plus over 2000 parts, in the same category as some of the Heller 1:100th scale ship kits.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 20, 2010 7:48 AM

Gamera - LOL at the Christmas-light bedecked MIG! But if you want to go total redneck you'd have to replace the tires with swampers and take it mudding! With the requisite Calving pissing on Sukhoi sticker, of course...

Ok, Doogs now you had me cracking up.Big Smile

Thanks for all the comments guys. The Mig sold for $59,454.00NZD.

Sign, thanks Scorpy for bursting my bubble. Guess I'll have to look for another MiG now. Or if I could find one of those 'Bear' bomber/recon planes with the awesome turboprops it'd be even more impressive... hmmmmm.......Wink

Owl, Doogs, Aggieman- great work ladies and gentlemen. After all the paint problems I'll stop whining about the dust in my paint now Sad

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Monday, September 20, 2010 8:21 AM

I noticed the nose gear well ended up shifting when I glued the two fuselage halves together, resulting in a bit of a gap.   I shimmed a bit of styrene to fill the space. I think I am getting the hang of this stuff! Propeller

 

OWL

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, September 20, 2010 9:51 AM

Sanded the Wildcats (again) last night, using wet 600, 1200, then 2000 grit paper. Everything is oh so smooth now. Unforunately, I've got several gray patches here and there, and as I discovered, the Gunze orange yellow seems semi-translucent. At least enough so that those gray patches are EXTREMELY evident. Guess I'll be laying down another white coat tonight. Now do I want to go Model Master, Tamiya + Mr. Color Leveling Thinner, or Vallejo + Future?

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by vetteman42 on Monday, September 20, 2010 3:27 PM

Gamera

Gamera - LOL at the Christmas-light bedecked MIG! But if you want to go total redneck you'd have to replace the tires with swampers and take it mudding! With the requisite Calving pissing on Sukhoi sticker, of course...

Gamera would those Christmas lights on the MiG be considered Redneck Bling ??Propeller

CallSignOwl hummmm........... yes,.......Cool......yes I would say you most defiantly have the hang of this modeling thing.

DoogsATX man your painting troubles are driving me nuts and I am not the one suffering them, my hat is off to you for your persistence sir.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by kermit on Monday, September 20, 2010 3:38 PM

Thunderbolt379

Aggie -- if I remember correctly, the Monogram 1:72 B-36 remains the largest injecion aircraft model ever made, still beating the Trumpeter 1:72 Tu-95 Bear (it is 1:72, right?) on total span and mass. However the largest injection kit of any description I believe remains the Nichimo 1:200th battleship Yamato, at nearly five feet long.

Anybody got any other candidates? I could offer the 1:35th scale Dora railway gun (which coincidentally is the Internet Hobbies commercial in the right hand column as I type this!) as a candidate for greatest sheer mass, plus over 2000 parts, in the same category as some of the Heller 1:100th scale ship kits.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

You could add the 1:72 type VII's and Gato class subs to that list... Friggin huge! The VIIC/41  (slightly ove 3 feet) looks very impressive on it's shelf in my mancaveBig Smile The GATO with 4 feet is even bigger and i have it, but no space to put it once it would be finished....Zip it!

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, September 20, 2010 3:40 PM

vetteman42

 

 

Gamera would those Christmas lights on the MiG be considered Redneck Bling ??Propeller

CallSignOwl hummmm........... yes,.......Cool......yes I would say you most defiantly have the hang of this modeling thing.

DoogsATX man your painting troubles are driving me nuts and I am not the one suffering them, my hat is off to you for your persistence sir.

I think the ultimate redneck bling would have to be a Christmas wreath on the MiG's nose cone!

Agreed - OWL is knocking it out of the park with the scratchbuilding!

As for my paint troubles and persistence...some would call it stubbornness...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by vetteman42 on Monday, September 20, 2010 3:53 PM

DoogsATX hey I was tryin to be polite and PC an stuff Stick out tongue Stubbornness can be a huge asset in this hobby

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by B17Pilot on Monday, September 20, 2010 5:48 PM

DoogsATX

I think the ultimate redneck bling would have to be a Christmas wreath on the MiG's nose cone!

Now that's funny, yet so true!  I would so do that just for the laugh I would get every time I would see it.

  

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Posted by IBuild148 on Monday, September 20, 2010 7:52 PM

Steve,

Your B-36 built is taking shape and I must say that is hugh even for 1/72.

Though I know it will never happen I would like to see a B-52 in 1/48.

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Posted by Aggieman on Monday, September 20, 2010 8:04 PM

Thunderbolt, I do stand corrected in terms of the B-36 vs that target, but since I rarely build targets, I didn't even think to be more specific in my verbiage.

Surely it can't be bigger than the B-52?

I think the real aircraft is in fact bigger than a B-52.  I have built the old Monogram B-52 in 72nd scale and it hangs in my work room.  I have held the B-36 up beneath it and just going by eyeball scale, the -36 looks to be marginally bigger than the -52.  I'll try to get a good photo of this for comparison's sake.

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Posted by IBuild148 on Monday, September 20, 2010 8:19 PM

Owl - The MIG is looking good.

Doogs - I used Tamiya white, rattle can 1 time, Never again. If you ever go back (don't) I send you my leftover canBig Smile.

                                  B-52 Specs                                     B-36 Specs

Length                     159 feet 4 inches                            162 feet 1 inch

Wingspan               185 feet                                             240 feet

Height                      40 feet 8 inches                               46 feet 9 inches

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Posted by IBuild148 on Monday, September 20, 2010 8:47 PM

P-47 Update,

Well, Sept. 15th has passed which is when I thought I would be finished.

However I had life and cold issues and worse I messed up on the canopy. This resulted in me cannibalizing another P-47D since Tamiya USA will not have replacement parts for this kit until November.

Anyways...Here are some before and after shots:

IMG_0011-1.jpg picture by xlt2002ms

IMG_0016-1.jpg picture by xlt2002ms

IMG_0004-2.jpg picture by xlt2002ms

IMG_0010-1.jpg picture by xlt2002ms

IMG_0017-1.jpg picture by xlt2002ms

IMG_0024.jpg picture by xlt2002ms

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by redraider56 on Monday, September 20, 2010 8:59 PM

Great looking razorback Ibuild!

btw, what color did you use on the cockpit? (just wondering for when I get around to mine)

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, September 20, 2010 9:07 PM

Good save Owl!!! Glad it wasn't any worse than that!!!!Toast

48 She's looking good mate!!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by IBuild148 on Monday, September 20, 2010 9:42 PM

redraider,

I used Model Masters Interior Green FS34151 "ACRYL".

On Wisconsin! 

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