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The Ostfront (eastern front) GB 2010/11

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Posted by Lundergaard on Friday, March 4, 2011 10:19 AM

great work guys!  the HS 129 is a neat bird.  looking forward to more.  love that Panther and T-34.  And the pair of opposing fighters with history lesson was excellent.

I am heading towards the finish line on my Dragon T-34/76 and am officially in the "don't screw it up!" phase.  This kit has been a real treat.  Although only my 3rd tank, so i am FAR from an expert on kits, this thing built up really nicely.  All that's left is pigments on the wheels, tracks and under the hull; dusting, some light rust, dry brushing and pigments on top.  Clear coat.  Woot!

more to follow over the coming week or so.

cheers

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 1:00 PM

kermit

Stik,

OMG.... i can't believe you are not in urgent care after that fiddly work... It looks amazing and undoubtedly will enhance your model greatly! The day you enlisted the 129 i had to google some pics to get familiar with this plane. I never heard of it before. Found this great picture of an interesting camo scheme though that makes me want to build one in the future:

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx202/kermit77/HS129art.jpg

 

The A-10 of it's day...Geeked That winter camo one does look pretty eye catching!

Yesterday I did a bit more scratch detailing added some gun troughs to the interior. They would be visible thru the canopy and help to busy up an otherwise spartan sidewall. Once I get them smoothed in with some putty and painted they should look the part. Just a few pieces of sprue make a dirty easy fix here.

 

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 7:54 PM

I've got Bruce Culver's V. 3 of Panzer Colors which deals entirely with Camouflage. (I brought up some of this stuff before and irritated some armor fans because they claim that new information on Wehrmacht camo indicates a more tidy universe than portrayed by Culver and Terrence White. I'm only the messenger here.) According to Culver the "3 Color" scheme by 1944 began to come undone very quickly because tidy tanks required the adequate supplies of the colored paste (paint) and preferred petrol mixing medium. Tidy tanks, Culver claims, became less important as the year went on and that late in the year "many" were sporting a simple Dunkelgelb. He also says that in 1945 very few tanks delivered received any paint in the field to add to Dunkelgelb. Crews did, however, always use foliage and mud from 1939-45. This was true in all armies. When you look at books like Culvers or Whites it's pretty obvious that the biggest weakness among armor modelers is not trying to duplicate foliage. (I plead guilty here - I really don't have a clue how to go about that.) Also snow and "whitewash" which were widely used and handled very differently depending upon the time and army. There's a lot more of that on models. I did see a couple of really sweet pics in Culver's books that showed a Tiger I given a proper coat of white paint - no stinking whitewash, but real live paint. it's a bloody white tiger. Also lots of neat effects when combining snow camo on Panzergrau vehicles.

If the Eastern Front GB stays on, I'd like to pair a Marder III and a T-34/42 both in snow camo suitable for the Stalingrad and/or Operation Mars.

Eric

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 2:49 PM

kermit

Doogs,

Consider it doneYes La-5 out, LaGG 3 in. Kinda like it since i like how they lookSmile Sorry you are having troubles in time management...maybe in round two if there should be one?Wink

Richard

Not so much time management as my eyes being too big for my stomach! Went on a bender of signing up way too many kits for GBs before realizing it takes me a good 5-6 weeks to get anything built, and there are only so many weeks in a year...

The La-5 would definitely be game for a round 2. Or maybe the La-5FN I've added to the stash (it's even got a resin AM engine along for the ride!).

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Posted by kermit on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 2:33 PM

Doogs,

Consider it doneYes La-5 out, LaGG 3 in. Kinda like it since i like how they lookSmile Sorry you are having troubles in time management...maybe in round two if there should be one?Wink

Richard

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 2:24 PM

Hey kermit - would you mind removing my second La-5 for this build. It just ain't gonna happen in the time, especially with other GB commitments going on.

Instead, could you put me down for ICM's 1/48 LaGG-3? The local contest's theme this year is "1941" and I figure a janky Soviet fighter might be a fun entry...

 

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Posted by taxtp on Monday, February 28, 2011 5:48 PM

Hi Richard,

There are others far more qualified to discuss late war German AFV camo, so I won't. However, I think I can answer most of your questions with this link. I'm doing option M, immediately above the decal sheet.

https://picasaweb.google.com/bisondecals/Instructions148#5376346694448985826

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by kermit on Monday, February 28, 2011 11:56 AM

Tony,

I simply love the look of that panther!Yes Very nice pe and aluminum goodies and a clean build sofar. One thing puzzles me sofar though... Forgive me for asking a possibly stupid question but isnt the yellowish color the base paint for later war german armor stuff?Embarrassed I am sitting on the edge of my seat though and very curious about what you will do nextWink

Stik,

OMG.... i can't believe you are not in urgent care after that fiddly work... It looks amazing and undoubtedly will enhance your model greatly! The day you enlisted the 129 i had to google some pics to get familiar with this plane. I never heard of it before. Found this great picture of an interesting camo scheme though that makes me want to build one in the future:

Julez,

That's one pretty looking schnitzel!Yes Makes me think of that revell K4 in 1:32 scale (ex hasegawa) that i have in my stash......Eats Great work buddy. Keep them pics coming!

Eric,

Thank you for posting this most delightful piece of information. It was like watching a docu and very interesting. Almost makes one overlook the posting of some wonderful model pictures.... Almost....Big Smile Great work there!

Richard

 

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Posted by taxtp on Monday, February 28, 2011 7:27 AM

That's a very good read Eric, thanks for posting it.

Since it's late at night here, just a quick update on progress on my 1/48 Panther, maybe a target for the aforementioned IL-2.

You can see in the first one that the airbrush didn't quite cover some of the wheels, I'll touch them up with a brush tomorrow.

Since the last update, the model has been primed, the base green, and a light shade for the upper surfaces has been sprayed, and the wheels painted.

The tracks are also primed and are on the way, although not photographed here.

Cheers

Tony

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, February 28, 2011 6:59 AM

Normal 0

Included here are some pics of an Eduard FW-190A5, in Ost camo, and a Zvezda LA-5N. I've said what can be said to defend these meager efforts on respective posts in the Air Forum. If you’re in a hurry or are up to something productive, you can skip the verbiage below and check the pics. For those with an interest in the Eastern Front , I'd like to give a kind of perspective of the extraordinary change that took place in the air war there during the summer of 1943. I should note that these two aircraft of these types could have met in August of 1943. (The FW appeared in late 42 and was produced until June 1943: the LA-5N began delivery in March 1943.)

Until the battles of Kursk-Orel in the summer of 1943 it’s hard to argue that the Soviet tax payers got their moneys worth from the Red Air Force. It had suffered badly from the disarray of the purges and Stalin’s desire to start rearmament too quickly. Soviet aviation did have skilled engineers and Stalin was fascinated with aircraft. (There were design labs in the Gulag: that was Stalin.) So in 1941 you had a mixture of obsolescent aircraft and prototypes with serious teething problems. Tactics were unimaginative. Radar and communications third rate. No wonder the Luftwaffe had a field day until late 1941. The best the VVS could do was try to fight the LW over Russian lines. In this line they had some success in making life hot for German bombers, recon planes and transports. (The vital LW transport fleet was pounded in both the winters of 41-42 and 42-43 when the Germans tried to airlift supplies to armies – a desperate operation.) A lot of engineers left the Gulag during 1941 and by early 1943 they were beginning to turn quirky prototypes into very good aircraft. The first good Yaks and LA s came into service in the spring of that year to join the redoubtable IL-2.

There is always an advantage in starting late. In the Soviet case, tactical realities cleared up the kind of doctrine squabbles that characterized other air forces. They were there to protect the Red Army and, if possible, attack German ground forces. This removed the issue of bomber interception or escort. (The Germans periodically launched massed terror bombardments of Russian cities – Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad all probably lost more civilians than did London. They did not, however, carry out a sustained strategic bombing campaign. The MIG fighters were designed for high altitude work and consequently had little to do during the war. The postwar period was more productive.) This fact greatly simplified design, production and maintenance. Designers concentrated on creating small, simple, nimble aircraft that performed well at under 15,000 feet and required little range. The weight saved could be used to provide adequate armor and good armament.

With the Luftwaffe under pressure in late 1942 Berlin began to deploy FW-190s to join the BF-109s already operating in the East. On paper both German craft were superior to Soviet counterparts. And when Soviet radar was crude (or not there at all) and communication crude the LW had crucial force multipliers that had largely disappeared by 1943. The LW was best able to exploit their technical edge when they were on the attack. Typically this meant that fighters would escort Henschels, Stukas or twin engined bombers. They could keep their altitude advantage and pick off Soviet fighters as they attacked the bombers. And because the Soviets operated so crudely, attacks were usually small and uncoordinated. So the LW had altitude they could turn to speed: the decision of when to attack and often numerical superiority at the point of combat. This was a good place for German fighter pilots. They strafed ground positions but as long as Henschels and Stukas were around, they weren’t expected to do heavy lifting in ground support. The only problem – and it was serious – was that if a fighter went down over Soviet lines, the pilot was a loss whether killed or not. But things worked well and LW aces became numerous. There was a fly in the ointment that came back to bite the LW in the face however. Today we think of fighters or the spare Stuka when we think of the Luftwaffe. During the early stages of the war, the LW’s main role was tactical bombardment so bomber construction had priority over fighters until 1943 when 8th Air Force got Speer’s attention. The bombers got the best of the aircrew and the best ground crew. (Odd that except for the JU-88 all the German bombers were duds.) So considering the size of the LW, the German fighter arm was very small through 1942. This helped explain why so many high scoring aces developed in the LW. Early in the war their opponents were inferior, as the numbers began to change that meant the better LW pilots were living in a “target rich environment.”

When the Red Army burst through German lines in early August 1943 the chickens all came home to the Nazi roost. The LW had lost badly during Citadel and weakened it proved incapable of slowing the Red advance in a meaningful way. This of course changed the role of fighters on both sides. Now it was the Russians that were escorting attack planes and with growing strength. In the fall of 1943 a tactical nightmare developed for the LW. Soviet IL-2s and other bombers almost overnight began to make life very hard for German ground forces. The Feldherr’s spearhead was shrinking but it still contained hundreds of thousands of vehicles. If the increasingly large Red “Air Armies” attacked German line infantry there were thousands of horses. And thousands of artillery positions. Dozens of airfields. And scores of one of the Ils’ favorite targets – German tank parks. From the point of view of a Soviet IL2 pilot this was an amazingly target rich environment. And starting in mid-1943 they had escorts with them that, if anything, were superior at the low levels at which the IL2 operated than their German enemies. There were no safe jobs in anyone’s air force. I think it safe to say, however, that Soviet forces did not weep at steep casualty figures. So when the numbers of LA5s and Yaks began to swell, Soviet fighters were expected to join in the dangerous fun of ground attack. (The German Army had excellent anti-aircraft: it was one of the key components of Blitzkreig. German fighters were not pinned to protecting ground forces – German flak was given that job within reason.) The Euros liked canon on aircraft. It was a mixed bag when it came to strafing. The American .50 caliber MGs spit rounds out in prodigious quantities and were perfect at attacking any “soft target.” (Entire squads could die in a few seconds if caught in the open.) The 20mm canon, however, could make tinker toys out of any soft skinned vehicle and had a real shot at doing damage to a AFV, especially the growing numbers of Stugs.

So here’s the deal. The Wehrmacht is getting pounded. Their flak is killing Red planes, but not enough of them. They demand protection. The Soviet attackers are perfectly willing to let German planes keep altitude advantage and try to “cherry pick” the spare Soviet plane because that will leave the door open to attack German ground forces. But if German fighters come down and stay down long enough to defeat a Soviet attack mission, that meant they would have to fight Russian fighters on their turf. And that meant losses. And losses were bad because the Germans were already outnumbered.

It was a tough world that got worse. In late 1943 the Germans created a new Air Force (Reichsflotte) for the defense of Germany. The allies were in Italy. This meant that many of the already limited number of German fighters in Russia were being sent West. In addition, because the VVS was growing in capability, the Germans began to realize something already clear to the US: the day of the light attack bomber was over. In its stead would be a proper medium bomber like a B-26 or a fighter bomber. (A fully armed P-47 carried as much ordnance as a HE-111 during the Battle of Britain. And there were thousands of them.) Hence there were screams from the Feldherr to attack Russian forces with tactical air. With Stukas and Heinkels becoming dogmeat (unless conditions were just right) that meant that German fighters were pressed into the Jabo role. By 1944 the most important tactical aircraft was the FW-190, especially the F variant.

The upshot of all of this was that more and more IL2s were getting through. And this was one of the prime reasons that the German Army increasingly lost the ability to stabilize the front. If you need to defend ground with numerically inferior forces, flexibility and mobility are crucial. It was exactly these factors being assaulted by Russian air power after 1943. The Red Air Force was never had the numbers of planes required to dominate their enormous theater the way the allies ruled the skies over their battlefields. But if you found a Guards Army it would have an Air Army with it. Together they killed Germans. They also added greatly to what Clausewitz so brilliantly called “friction.” It was a downward spiral for the Germans with no possible solution. And if they had their uber-aces, the LW also had shocking loss rates in both East and West. And as their strength waned, their fuel began to dry up and the junior birdmen had less air time than new Russian pilots much less American.

The FW-190A5 and the LA-5N were both small aircraft. But they played for high stakes. And the Russians won. Fortune favored the big battalions no doubt. But after mid-1943 the Red Air Force was very good. No error.  

Eric

 

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:24 PM

Julez, I had to go to work after that! Surprise That cured my head...Stick out tongue

Your 109 is looking pretty good there!Smile

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Sunday, February 27, 2011 7:53 AM

Hey i have some pics.....

 

I went ahead and got the undersides ready for flat clear...

 

The next one shows the uppersurface and those PITA tulip markings which i still have to add white borders on....

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Sunday, February 27, 2011 6:12 AM

Nice Stik.. I can see how the kit engine would have looked before you added the push rods....

Have your eyes uncrossed yetToast

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, February 26, 2011 4:06 PM

A little progress to report today. Since the kit engines on my Hs-129 are so horrid, and will be fairly visible when on the completed build, I decided to detail them a bit. One unique feature on the real Gnome Rhone radials are the push rods.The kit has none and they are rather [prominent and unique as seen here.

So I added two for each cylinder from thin rod styrene. 14 cylinders per engine, 28 rods per engine, 56 in all... enough to make my eyes blur and hands shake...

anyways I thought  that I had taken pics of the bare engines, for before comparison but apparently I did not or they did not come out well, so I only have a couple pics as they appear now.

now for some paint on this kit...

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Julez72 on Friday, February 25, 2011 11:02 PM

YesYeslooking sweet Tony....

 

 

 

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Posted by taxtp on Friday, February 25, 2011 3:39 PM

Hi all,

Here's a couple of progress pics of my 1/48 Panther, with judicious use of some photoetch and a turned barrel.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by kermit on Friday, February 25, 2011 10:17 AM

Ozzman,

You got itWink Have fun m8!Yes

Richard

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Posted by ozzman on Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:50 PM

kermit, can you please sign me up for a Dragon 1/35 king tiger (porsche turret)

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Posted by maxfax on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:58 PM

Kermit: It looks like it will be a straight forward kit. There are very few parts as compared to some other Dragon kits I built. I'm still debating on doing a whitewash on it.

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Posted by kermit on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:15 PM

Hey Rob,

Just added your build to the list. I love SU-100's!YesYes Is the Dragon one any good?

Richard

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Posted by maxfax on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:52 PM

Hey Kermit,

I'd like to do another for the GB. I would like to add a Dragon 1/35 Su 100 OOB except for Fruil tracks. I'm going on vacation to Costa Rica at the end of this week so I will be getting started in early March.

Thanks

Rob

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Posted by Julez72 on Monday, February 21, 2011 9:46 AM

Ozzman,  Yeah thats a tough oneTongue Tied it was a project that only progressed as far as a wooden mockup due to the unavailability of the Panzer V chassis....

Richard, thanks for adding the 109K, i'm moving pretty quickly with this one, just spent 2 hours masking and cursing the so called tulip markings on the nose....Cryingi wish i had the decals...

 

 

 

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Posted by ozzman on Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:19 PM

I have a question, I recently bought cyberhobby's Flakpanzer V Coelian. Would this be considered an eastern front vehicle? if so, please add it to my list. thanks.

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Posted by kermit on Friday, February 18, 2011 8:31 PM

Guys,

Just came back from my month long visit to the US..... time to sort out the mess on the rollcall listWink:

Skaggs, marked the t34 as finished

Bufflehead, added your T26 and towed F2 to the list

Ozzman, marked your flammpanzer as finished

Taxtp, added your Panther

Julez, added your Bf109K-4

I do hope i've got it right sofar. If i failed to notice any of your builds announced and/or finished please say so and i will correct the problem!Smile

Your jetlaggy host,

Richard

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Posted by ozzman on Friday, February 18, 2011 12:35 PM

That's a great looking T-34! 

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Posted by ozzman on Friday, February 18, 2011 12:32 PM

Here are yet more WIP pictures of my T-34/76 I gave it a coat of primer (Testors burnt umber) gonna paint it today probably.

 

 

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Posted by ozzman on Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:54 PM

Here's still more WIP pics of the T-34/76:

 

 

In that one I tried to replicate abuse on the fenders with some fire, but it got a little out of control

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Posted by ozzman on Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:06 AM

that looks really cool. By the way, do you think I should remove any of the front fenders, or would that be overdoing it?

 

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Posted by taxtp on Friday, February 11, 2011 6:40 AM

Hi,

Here's a quick update on my 1/48 Panther:

Whilst the decals I have ordered have arrived, the barrel and photoetched set have not yet, so the main construction is held up for a few days.

The link and length tracks are about 50% detached and but there are a lot of ejection pin marks to erase. I'll occupy myself with doing that over the weekend.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by bufflehead on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 11:25 PM

Hmmmm....ozzman, I think the Zvezda mold is also used on the Italeri and Revell T-34 kits.  I built the Revell kit about three years ago but didn't have any fit problems.  Especially not with the lower and upper hulls mating properly.  Too bad about that gap...any way to clamp them together for a better fit??

ozzman

I am working on my T-34/76 and to do replicate damage I removed both of the back fenders. Can I still attach the rectangular fuel tanks without them? Also. should I remove the front fenders?

As for the fenders and fuel tanks - I think the rear fender helps support those rectangular fuel tanks....I'm not sure they would stay up for very long without the fenders.  Perhaps that's why they later developed the cylindrical fuel tanks that are mounted to the rear hull sides instead! Hmm 

Here's a WIP photo of the Revell T-34 I built.  Although I replaced the kit fuel tanks with some aftermarket replacements, you can still see how the tanks are supported.  The trays hold the tanks and the trays are mainly supported by those straps from the top and also the supports on the rear engine plate.  The fenders probably prevent the tank assemblies from bouncing around too much ...???

Anyway, that's my humble opinion!  Hope this helps!

No problem with the front fenders!  Seen many T-34s missing those!

Ernest

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