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Posted by jrb53 on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:09 PM

Macchi 339s were there.  One crashed on May 3 and the pilot, Lt. Benitez, was killed.  On May 28 another M339 went down due to a Royal Marine and a Blowpipe.  The pilot, Lt. Miguel, was also killed.  At the end of the conflict, three M339s were captured at Port Stanley.

Courtesy of "Air War South Atlantic" by Ethell and Price.  Great reference for anyone contemplating this GB.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:14 PM

Bish

Thats some plan. I can imagine the scene, Wideawke isn't a very big airport, and takes up a chunk of the Island. The 8 hour flight from acension to Falklands is bad enough. Never mind a return flight without landing.

Doubt sound abatement procedures were in force either. Bish you'll have to share your experiences down south. Must not be much of a social life, sheep run scared and all that. Pictures, battlefield stuff. I read that there are still minefields all over.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM

Bish

Ye, i bet the harrier pilot must have had a moment of thought. Especially as the RAF Canberras were flying from Chile, almost the same direction as Argentina. I am not sure what the score is with Chile. I get the impression they are not best friends with Argentina. Even now, RAF aircraft fly from the Falklands to Chile.

They are perennially in a snit with Argentina over the Beagle Channel. In 1978 they almost went to war, which led to Chilean support for the UK four years later. In 1984 they signed a treaty, after Papal intervention. But you can bet the animosities still exist.

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Posted by jrb53 on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:47 PM

Bish,

Since this is to be an anniversary GB, is there a reason it can't go from April 2 til June 14?  You Brits mobilized and fought the entire war during those 73 days;  don't you think we can throw a model together in the same length of time. Big Smile

Jack

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:36 PM

jrb53

Bish,

Since this is to be an anniversary GB, is there a reason it can't go from April 2 til June 14?  You Brits mobilized and fought the entire war during those 73 days;  don't you think we can throw a model together in the same length of time. Big Smile

Jack

I sure as hell cant. im a very slow builder. i like o treasure my builds. and usually it takes me a few days between building sessions to cool down enough so i dont throw things lol.

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:42 PM

High Planes Models here in Australia , manufactuer a very nice 1/72 Falklands Dagger .

included are a resin tub and instrument panel , nose cone and engine exhaust , with metal cockpit seat and landing gear struts , also so PE ;

I'll throw the Dagger in along side my two Wessex helicopters .

                                              John .

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:30 PM

Here's a kit that I'd like to find;

Here's one I'm also interested in...

I don't much fancy his SLR though.

or this...

Anyone experienced with either?

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:06 AM

Bish -- I don't see how I couldn't be in this one! Not long ago Iread the marvelous book Harrier -- Ski Jump to Victory, and it gave me a lot of feeling and respect for the whole situation. Sea Harrier or Harrier GR.3, possibly both -- not sure of the brands and scales at this point. I'll see what else comes along too.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:08 AM

jrb53 Thanks for confirmation on that. I still need to finish the equipment list on page 1. I ain't going to leave the Argies out. I did think about running the build over that period, but its just to short. When you take into account life getting in the way of things, and it would be nice to get the ship guys on board and those kits can take a while. So it was thought about, but just to short a time line.

I know what you mean though. Seems amazing that we can organize somthing, move 8,000 miles by sea and then re take the Islands all in 73 days. After being in the British Army for 20 years, i am amazed how we ever get anything done.

bondoman I have some pics from my second time there last year. That wasMay till August so middle of Winter. We are lucky in that we can get out and about with the job we do. This time i am hopeing to get to some of the battle Fields. There are alot of mine fields along side the round coming up to Stanley. From what i was told, even though the UK signed the treaty to get ride of mines, the locals are in no rush. You can't grow crops on the Falklands and the mine fields are on hill sides and areas of little use. The locals argue that why spend money clearing them when you can clear mines in countries that need the land for crops. Also, the mines tend to shift because of the boggy ground.

As for a social life, the camp we are on, MPA, is huge. They call the accomodation area the Death Star. We got all the usual stuff, bars, cinema, bowling and so on. But it can be pretty boring in the Winter when we got no work on. The nearest town, Stanley, is about an hours drive over a small gravel track. In the UK it wouldn't even be classed as a village, and thats the biggest town. I will get a few pics up of my last stint in a bit. Its not a place many people get to go or now anything about.

I had woundered if there was some dispute between the two countries over that area. That explains alot.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:24 AM

Helo H-34  I've not had any experiance with High Planes kits. Thats looks very nice. Someone is going to be busy.

bondo Now that would be a nice find. I have seen the 25th annerversary Vulcan kit, think it was on E-bay, but not that one. That SLR on the first figure does look a bit off, but apart from that looks like a nice figure.

Seeing as this is just a feeler and the GB is a long way off, i think we already have enough interest and a good variety. Figures, ships and aircraft and stuff from both sides. And i am sure we will get the odd post war build as well. So i think this will be a go.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:42 AM

 Heres a few pics from my tour down South last year. Due to it being Winter we didn't get out and about that much. And when we did, i forgot the bloody camrea, Typical. But seeing as this will likely be my last stint down there, i am going to make sure i make the most of it.

These first pics were taken on Sealion Island.

The locals

As you can see below, its pretty bleak. The only trees are those planted by settelers, and these are small and all bent to one side due to the hight winds all year round.

And the next were taken at MPA at the helicopter end of the base.

 

 Finally, the British War memorial in Stanley.

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:26 AM

Bish

Helo H-34  I've not had any experiance with High Planes kits. Thats looks very nice. Someone is going to be busy.

I have. The big positives are rare subjects and great service direct from the owner. The caution is that these are at the difficult end of the short run band. This one looks excellent.

bondo Now that would be a nice find. I have seen the 25th annerversary Vulcan kit, think it was on E-bay, but not that one. That SLR on the first figure does look a bit off, but apart from that looks like a nice figure.

Seeing as this is just a feeler and the GB is a long way off, i think we already have enough interest and a good variety. Figures, ships and aircraft and stuff from both sides. And i am sure we will get the odd post war build as well. So i think this will be a go.

Then it's a go. I have no decent figure experience, so I think I'll do a few practice this summer- maybe pick up a tamiya set to mess up first.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:40 PM

Hmmm?

I dragged a Sheffield type 42 destroyer out of my stash and was first surprised to see it had been boxed by Dragon as 'Falklands 25th anniversary" issue. But then I noticed it was a 2-in-1 model and the represented "other version" was the ARA Hercules. Of which WikiPedia writes:

The ship was ordered on May 18, 1970 and completed on May 10, 1976 at the Vickers Shipbuilding yard in Barrow-in-Furness, United Kingdom. She was delivered to Argentina and entered service on September 19, 1977. As built, she was identical to the initial Type 42 units being commissioned by the Royal Navy. The Argentine Navy upgraded the warship by enhancing her offensive capabilities with MM-38 Exocet missiles. The original boat decks by the funnel were modified in order to mount the launchers.[1][2]

In 1982, along with her newly built sister ship, ARA Santisima Trinidad , she was part of the escort of the aircraft carrier ARA Veinticinco de Mayo during the Falklands War.[3]

 

 

I think I'll be building this kit in 1/700th scale. But now I'm torn to pay homage to the loss of HMS Sheffield or represent the Armada de la República Argentina? I kind of think the ARA might otherwise be under represented? But I do have a "Batch 2", HMS Liverpool as well. Maybe I can backdate it and use the Sheffield decals? I might get to do both and that could be an interesting comparison!Cool

       

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:47 PM

Well it would be nice to see some Argie ships. I can imagine there will be a few Aircraft, but i guess ship kits would be a bit limited. If you can do both that would be great. If not, i am sure somone will do Sheffield. Either way, plenty of time to see how it stands.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:51 PM

Bish,

 I can probably pull off doing both even if I have to cast the appropriate parts from one to the other "Batch". I've also got the Invincible by Dragon in 1/700th so I'm thinking we'll get some ships into the GB too.Wink

       

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:55 PM

I take it that comes with a few harriers. So that would be ships and planes in one go.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:11 PM

^^^

Hey, you are correct! Harriers and copters too.Geeked

And, I just perused the instructions between the Type 42 Batch 1 and 2 and the sprues have the parts for either style. So, that's a go as well with little or no trouble to make up parts.Smile

 

 

       

 

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:26 AM

Here's a little bit of fun. The reason being this shows Vulcan with the Skybolt nuclear standoff missile on pylon mounts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEVdMgvUkaM

The planned B.3 had wing hardpoints for the Skybolt, to replace the Blue Steel missile which was carried in the bay, although the bay doors were modified etc. That block was never built althought he prototypes for the launch rails was created. Eight B.2 Vulcans were initially modified to B.2MRR (Marine Reconaisance) with long range LORAN. Of those eight, five were fitted with Skybolt rails to hold radiation collector pods fashioned from old Hawker Hunter drop tanks.

When Operation Corporate was in planning, the five Vulcans that had the Skybolt hardpoints, but more importantly the Olympus 301, were selected from 101 Squadron and repainted dark gray on the underside, for war.

Elizabeth, note that your beloved Concorde flew on Olympus as well, although a later version. When I was a kid a half century ago we lived in Bristol for a while when dad was in charge of the United Airlines Concorde purchase. He used to go out to Filton every day and I only went out twice, but I got to see the protos, the tie down test pad that had the road diverted around it, and did a bunch of corporate flights down to Toulouse and back on SUD corporate aircraft.

Back to the Falklands, the selected Vulcans were repainted and sent to Ascencion. I will look further and see how many were there at a given time, but I think there were three; XM597, 598, 607.

It's not up to this post to recount the Black Buck missions, but the most interesting ones for me are the anti radar ones.In at least the first two raids, two Vulcans were deployed, armed, and launched, although by Three I haven't found a definitive source except for Six so take your own conclusion.

One, Two and Three were iron bomb loads. They were all targeted at Stanley airport to shorten the runway and prevent long range resupply from Argentina, and in the first two raids were successful. In Black Buck One, the lead aircraft XM598 had a cabin seal failure and the backup aircraft . XM607 continued on. That's the one Airfix models.

Four carried two Shrike missiles, supplied by the US, but was aborted five hours out due to the failure of one of the Victors in the refueling plan to continue.

Five attacked a Westinghouse TPS-43 station with a range of 450 km that had been set up for theater control, and damaged it.

Six is a good study. It was a Shrike mission flown by XM597. It destroyed a Skyguard twin 35 mm Oerlikon cannon base, but could not refuel on the return leg due to a refueling probe break. It diverted to Brazil and was impounded. On the flight the crew jettisoned the paper work out of the access hatch and fired off one Shrike. The other hung up on the rails and was confiscated after landing by Brazil.

The aircraft and crew were repatriated,

The last Black Buck mission, number Seven, dropped air burst weapons over Stanley Airport that largely destroyed aircraft on the ground but did not do damage to the runways, as invasion was in progress.

I hope this is an inspiration for at least one Vulcan build. Although described as a large aircraft, it is about the size of a Boeing 737, which is a short haul airliner.

Like our host said, imagine Ascension at 0200 where six Victors go out, four Saphirres each  in full chat, a Vulcan with four Olympus, four more Victors, another Vulcan and four more Victors?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:40 AM

Thats a great account, thanks very much for that. I have only seen a Vulcan flying at an airshow and its an impressive sight. Though large by British standards, it of course doesn't compare with some of the aircraft the US has produced.

Had a chat with Vance about the dates for the GB. Theres more interest in this than i was expecting. And seeing as a few people are looking at multiple builds, i think we are going to extend this to a 12 month GB. Probably start date will be June 14th this year, ending June 14th 2012. That still allows time for those who have other GB's to wrap up and who need to gather supplies. And hopefully the builds will be spread out through the duration of the build.

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:53 AM

I very much agree . Better to get started sooner than later before the blush wears off. I would suggest as start of April 2 the start of Guerra de las Malvinas/ Falklands War and go a year.

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:00 AM

Ye, thats another possability, maybe even April 2nd this year till June 14th next year. Sort of takes in what jrb53 suggested but instead of 73 days its one year and 73 days. I think this has the legs for it seeing as this is just a feeler and there alot of responses. I have seen GB's start on less and turn out very good.

Lets see what other think and i will have a chat with Vance.

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:07 AM

Yes it has the legs.

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, January 13, 2011 6:06 AM

Early start suits me, I don't mind about the duration. I've ordered the gear I want for the Type 21. I'll commit to that.

I've always wanted to do the three V bombers er... refuelers, here's a chance to do two, but I'm not committing to these as yet. I do have a Victor somewhere deep in the stash though.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:03 AM

A long build suits me fine, the year and 73 days sounds great.

For those contermplating a Vulcan, I photographed one of the Black Buck planes at Hendon in 2006, and a few monrths ago got a decent walk-around shoot of XL 319 in the Yorkshire Air Museum, on the outskirts of Sunderland. She's in dire need of restoration but still impressive, and I got good closeups of landing gear and engines. It was easy enough, she's standing on a tarmac area in a lonely corner and you're free to wander under her at will. I'll gladly post my photos if anyone would like them.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:15 AM

Really looking forward to this one gang, now I just need to track down my kits before someone else does!

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:26 AM

Right guys, you asked for it, 1 year 73 days it is. Now we expect results.

If possable, i think it would be an idea to keep this thread running as well.  post referance pics and any accounts you find on here. I'll also post any pics i get that might be useful or interesting while i am down south on here. That will be the GB thread for build pics.

So Thunderbolt, get those Vulvan pics posted.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:40 AM

My pleasure, Bish, I'll try to get them scaled and posted tomorrow.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:01 PM

Start the GB just as soon as you like! I like to move back and forth between my builds anyways and wouldn't mind starting a ship anytime. IMHO to have the "anniversary" fall anywhere within the GB time frame is still good.Cool

       

 

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Posted by Gregbbear on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:22 PM

Hey Bish, I should have a little bit of room on the bench by October.  I would like to join.  I have no idea what I'm going to build.  I'd love to build a Avro Vulcan, but they seem rather hard to come by here in the US.  Resonably priced that is.  Maybe an Argie LVTP7?  Some cool possibilities anyways.

Cheers,

Greg

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:30 PM

Hi Greg. Not sure if you saw the ppost from earlier today, but we are going to start the GB earlier. Its going to ryn from Aptil this year to June next year. So you got tons of time. The LVTP7 would be awsome, i reckon we will have the odd Vulcan.

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