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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:05 PM

The Pucara was destined to be fitted with rockets & napalm as far as I am aware, although only 3 napalm tanks ever made it from the Goose Green arms dump, being dropped on, but missing 2 Para!

One triple rack on the centerline with 3 x LAU-3 type (19 rocket), or

2 triple racks on the outboard pylons, again each with 3 x LAU-3 type (19 rocket) pods.

The napalm tanks (centerline I think) look like;

http://img18.imageshack.us/i/napalmgoosegreen.jpg/

A centerline ferry tank as used on the A-4 may also have been fitted;

 

For some good general info & comprehensive details on the aircraft & camo patterns used, have a look at these;

http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revista/notas/pucara/Pucarae.htm

http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revista/notas/pucara2/Pucarae2.htm (paint & camo info)

http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revista/notas/pucara3/puca3e.htm

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:44 AM

Hey Bish, yes, that seems to be the best picture I've found as well.

Milairjunkie - what can I say, if it's not a Sidewinder or a Sparrow I'm lost! So if I'm loading for a ground attack run, napalm tanks could actually be built up from scratch fairly easily, and a little splash of red indicator marking. For the rocket pods (after a 2-minute search!) I found this one opened up:

but is that the same unit that is mounted x3 here?

The LHS that is closing down soon (sigh...) I think has a box of Hasegawa modern US ordnance, I'll have to take a peek at it & see what is actually included.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:08 AM

The 3 on the Pucara look more like the one on the aircraft in the back ground. The one in the fore ground looks fatter and shorter and looks like it carries more rockets.

There are a number of those Hasegawa sets and at least one carries rocket pods, but all mine are at home so i am not sure which one you might need.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:12 AM

That's what I was thinking too Bish, it's not a great photo (of the pucara) but I'm seeing more like 7 rockets in those pods, not the 19 in the big pod. They were often flown with end caps to improve the aerodynamics anyway from some references I've found.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00 AM

I agree, two on top, two below and three across the middle. I am pretty sure the hasegawa set includes end caps both front and rear. I think this is the set you need, notice the pods on the Kfir

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/HAX7201

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:06 AM

I think that pic is an A/C from Sri-Lanka.

 Here are a couple of Argentinian pics;

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/Pucara1.jpg

http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=41517&st=0

The Wiki pic of the Pucara has a three canister in front of it which are LAU-60's - it also has the napalm tanks as found at Goose Green. 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:13 AM

Bish, that kit looks like it has similarly-sized pods, it could work. Milairjunkie, no the other pic wasn't Argentinian, just seemed to be a decent view of the area. The links you just posted also show the pods capped off on either end, which would make sense until they were in need of launching them. My kit is also in 1/72, those 2.75" rockets suddenly turn into something around 1mm diameter... my eyes aren't that good!!! So I may want the caps in place anyway.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:08 PM

a-ha! Bish, that picture is available in a much larger size on Wikipedia. I can actually zoom in on one of the rocket pods... which has a tidy little sign in front of it reading "LAU-60", a 19-rocket version.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:26 PM

So it does. I knew you could make it bigger, but never spotted the labels, DOH. That looks similar to the pod you found whcih also has 19 rockets. So it looks like it carries both the 7 and 19 rocket pod. I am guessing the LAU-60 is American, but i don't recall if its in any of the Hasegawa sets.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:34 PM

Milairjunkie mentioned triple-mounts (And I must have missed his mention from a few posts back regarding the type in the picture!)... maybe they had the option of mounting a single -60 or three of the smaller unit that carried 7 rockets as seen in the Uraguayan version that I found?

I think I'll be going for the -60s (with end caps) if I can either find or fabricate them.

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Posted by el_jere on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:50 PM

Hi there guys

I would like to join the GB, I like to model Argentinian subjets and have some of the Malvinas war like the A-4C(I still have to model an A-4B and Q)

1/48 Pucara,

a 1/72 Super Etendard

1/48 Canberra

I can maybe build a 1/48 Super Etendard or if I got one Hasegawa A-4B/C I will build a Fuerza Aerea or Armada Skyhawk.

Or maybe a Dagger if I got an Eduard or Hobbyboss Mrage kit!

Or a 1/48 revell or Hase Learjet 35!

There is so much subjets to choose! LOL

If any of you need some info on Argentinian planes I got plenty

best regards to all

 

Jeremias

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:04 PM

WOW - el_jere may have an entire Falklands/Malvinas collection all by himself!! Your Etandard - is that using one drop tank + an Exocet on opposite pylons? I'd never seen one like that. Great looking aircraft, and we probably will be asking for information along the way. Welcome aboard, I'll add you to the build list on the main Group Build page.

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Posted by el_jere on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:02 PM

LOL I´m still far far away from having the Malvinas Air War collection that I want, maybe I hve 20 more Argntinian subjets to build and then the Harrier and Sea Harrier and the British helicopters

Here a couple of pictures of the SUEs during the war, the Exocet with the wing tanks is a common sight here.

I have tons of Super Etendrd details pics, ask what you want.

best regards

 

Jere

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:30 AM

Jeremias it's time you came by. I knew you would and I need some help. I am thinking to go on a ground war modeling theme. I've lined up a couple of sets of British troops, but not any from Argentina. Scale 1/35.

The Canberra is actually take-your-breath wonderful. I have not seen that model before. How many Exocets did Argentina have at the start of the war? The SUE's got five, correct? But what about the type 42 ships? Did they have more?

Please put up links to Argentine modelers of the Malvinas/ Falkland war and so on. A list of these sites would make this group build a much better thing.

Hey for the hosts:

There were also two each ex Sumner and Gearing Class destroyers deployed by the ARA

 

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:06 AM

bondoman

How many Exocets did Argentina have at the start of the war? The SUE's got five, correct? But what about the type 42 ships? Did they have more?

5 AM39 air launched Exocets seems to be correct, an additional 2 MM38's were taken from a destroyer & used on a improvised land based launcher - From memory the Argentinians had some headaches with this as support was not forthcoming from Aerospatiale, but one did manage to hit HMS Glamorgan.

With regards to how many other MM38's they had, I would imagine about 18 to 22 remained loaded on various ship, plus whatever reserve stock they had. Luckily for British forces, Stanley was taken 2 days after the strike on HMS Glamorgan, not allowing any further use of the MM38 - Although I suppose getting further supplies onto the island would have been difficult for the Argentinians.

I can quite clearly remember the panic in the UK media when it was realized that ship launched MM38's were successfully being used, it went from "No Exocets left" to panic.  

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:18 AM

el_jere  Would love to have you on board, some amazing models you have built. Would i be right in saying you are from Argentina.

bondo I still have to finish updateing the front page of this thread, i will be sure to add those to the list. Thanks.

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Posted by el_jere on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:27 PM

Bish

el_jere  Would love to have you on board, some amazing models you have built. Would i be right in saying you are from Argentina.

bondo I still have to finish updateing the front page of this thread, i will be sure to add those to the list. Thanks.

Thanks

That´s correct, I´m from Argentina

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:57 AM

Glad to have to aboard. Don't think i have seen any of your builds before, but those ones you post are excellent.

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Posted by el_jere on Friday, January 28, 2011 6:31 PM

Hello  to all,

I was very vry surprised whn a minut ago a friend show m a scanned pag of th reader gallery of this month FSM magazine and my Pucra was in it!!! I ws never told by FSM people hat the model was going to be in the mag...

I´m happy and confused LOL

regards

 

Jeremias

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, January 28, 2011 7:45 PM

haha - congratulations Jeremias! Glad to know we have a famous modeler in our group!  Wink

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:48 AM

O, nice one, congratulations jeremias.

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Posted by el_jere on Monday, January 31, 2011 5:56 PM

Thanks a lot you guys, now I have to chase the check that they still haven´t sended bcause that is my 1/48 Special Hobby Fiat G.55

LOL

Regards

Jeremias

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 31, 2011 6:02 PM

They really should offer the option of a kit - we all know that's what those payments get turned into anyway!

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Posted by el_jere on Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:11 PM

VanceCrozier

They really should offer the option of a kit - we all know that's what those payments get turned into anyway!

 

LOL that´s right

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Sunday, February 6, 2011 9:37 PM

Hey guys, just letting you know that ill be heading down to ashburton on the 25th of Febuary.

They have a Harrier Gr.3 down there that you can get real up close and personal with.

If anyone wants any detail photos of anywhere in particular, let me know and ill do my best to get what i can.

The cool thing about the Harrier is its actually a falklands war veteran. Full working condition (except for a couple bent turbine blades) Just cant fly it due to CAA regulations.

PM me with any photo requests and ill do my best to get them.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, February 7, 2011 12:47 AM

Terrific, Scorpiomikey! That reminds me, i photographed the GR-3 and Pegasus engine at Hendon in '06, the lighting conditions were attrocious but I managed to get a few decent shots of the underside showing plenty of detail around the landing gear and Aden pods, I can post them to add to the melting pot of research data.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:51 AM

managed to get down to Stanley for the day yesterday, Tues. Had a good wonder around the town, out to Gipsy cove near the airport, and up to Mount Longdon. Thought i would share a few of the photos that i took, hopefully some may be of interest to you guys.

Along the shore line is this WW1 memorial.

And on one side of it is this plaque. Bondoman, is this the battle that the ship you are building was sunk.

 

But also came across this in the catherdral. Theres a number of plaques in there relating to various wars and other who have died. But this is from a different naval action to the one above, just over a month earlier

Moving onto WW2, also in the catherdral is this Ensign carried by HMS Achilles during the battle of the River Plate.

 

Up by Gipsy cove we found a WW2 gun covering the entrance to Stanley harbour, apparetnly one of 14 guns around the islands. The information plate said there was also a searchlight base, that we could not find, a generator hut, some path remains. We also found what looks like a small accomadation building foundations about 50m back from the gun.

My knowledge of WW2 British Artillery is not very good, i am guessing that this is a 4.5icnh gun. It didn't say up on the site, so any info would be welcome.

 

Moving onto 82, there is of couse the war memorial in Stanley

 

hen we traveled up the road you can see in the pic above and out of Stanley heading west. We crossed the back of Mount Longdon and came across some Argentinian positions.

This doesn't have any obvious appatures for firing or observing out of. There was an old cable real in front of it, and further out is what looks like Mortar pits. I am guessing this position was used to cover Longdon.

One of those peaks out to the front is Mount Kent. If you look at the high ground on the left, the Two Sisters, there is another ridge line just below it, hard to make out on these pics. That ridge line is Mount Longdon. Not a very high feature, but it does cover the main valley into Stanley.

A close up of the plaque on the photo above.

 

On Longdon itself, there is alot of debris. Ammo tins, wooden boxes, pickets, and gun mounts, some that look like they are for .50cal. There are also alot of small pits, but this are common all over the Islands. Some of those on Longdon could have been shell scrapes or fire positions, its alos possable they were dug for the peat, its really hard to tell. And most are now full of water. Towards the forward edge of longdon we found what i think is a 105mm recoiless rifle. Unfortunatly we were running out of time. One of the civvies helicopter guys down here was in 3 para back in 82 and assaulted Longdon. He said that about 50m infront of this 105 are some more trench positions. We are planning another trip some time soon.

And finally, the view from the back of Longdon towards Stanley. This was alot smaller back in 82, but hopefully you can see how important Longdon is to defend the main route to Stanley.

 

Hope you guys enjoy those and find them useful, or at least informative.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 11, 2011 8:02 AM

I have done some more updateing on the first post, working on the Argentinian navy, still some more to go. Please feel free to point out any errors or anything i have missed.

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Posted by el_jere on Friday, February 11, 2011 9:53 AM

Great pics!

Thanks fro sharing

Regards

Jeremias

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 11, 2011 10:02 AM

Thanks, will try to get some more as i get around the Islands. There is alot of stuff on camp, including a Phantom, but i want to get permission before i start posting pics of that.

Got a hell of alot of penguin photos though.

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