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Posted by Aaronw on Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:21 AM

I'll keep October open for this, the Falklands war was one of the first events I remember closely following in the news. I've got a RN Harrier with Falklands decals, but I'll wait until we are closer before commiting to anything specific. 

 

The Vulcan at Castle is right by the parking lot, so quite visible from the road, I think you could get some decent photos even if the museum were closed when you go by. I was impressed by the size of it, while not as big as a B-52 the delta wing more than makes up for any shortage of wingspan.

Try to give yourself some time if you do head out there, they have a nice collection with several unusual planes including a B-18, B-23 and B-36.

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:55 PM

I'm in to try to get out to Castle. These days getting to a museum on an active base is REALLY difficult. Castle is not active but I think still belongs to the Government.

I can't find the GB site. Have you two set it up yet?

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:52 AM

Thanks Bondo. Nice to see so many of these were saved from the srap heap. And the Norwich one is listed, i'll get some pics next time i am up there.

Thanks OWl, nice pics. You reckon we can get pics of every Vulcan on that list.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Friday, January 14, 2011 10:20 PM

These might not be the greatest pictures, but here is a Vulcan that is on display at the SAC museum here in Nebraska.

 

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, January 14, 2011 10:17 PM

Here's a list from the www that might be accurate of the Vulcans on display:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100520122717AAqrK89

There's one in California and a total of three in the US; so it's not impossible that some of my fellow Colonists may be able to go see one.

There's a short sequence in "Thunderball" that includes flight footage and some interior stuff.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, January 14, 2011 4:02 AM

Great pics Mike, thanks for posting. That first one is certainly looking the worse for wear. It can make a grown man great looking at the stat some of these aircraft can fall into. And what a differance between the one on Yorkshire and the Hendon display with all the bombs layed out.

There used to be one at a small Aviation museum in Norwich, but not sure its still there. It could even be the one from Yorkshire as i seem to recall that was ex black buck.

I am planning on doing a Matchbox, yes you read that right, Matchbox, Chinook that i have had in the stash for years.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, January 14, 2011 1:29 AM

Here's XL 318 preserved at Hendon:

What a difference between the two planes and such a shame 319 isn't supported by the sort of funding it takes to preserve and present these aircraft properly.

Pucarra pics coming shortly...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:59 PM

I'm shooting for a Harrier first - have wanted to add one to the collection for quite some time, but the  Pucarra is my second, hoping to find both. Special Hobby produced one in 1/72 scale if memory serves,

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:42 PM

Sure is Vance, she never fails to impress. If I could get hold of an Airfix kit I might even consider one myself, though I've found myself thinkiing about he Pucarra, and just remembered the same museum had one of those too. Very poor condition, still wearing her Argentine paints, I got a few shots and I'll post them here. I wonder if anyone makes a Pucarra kit these days??? And an Argie LVTP would also be a most interesting project, I agree. I have a couple in the stash...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:35 PM

Some great pics Mike - that Vulcan is a large machine isn't it - hoping to see a few built here!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:10 PM

and now, the conclusion...

 

There, I hope that answers some detail questions and helps get the creative juices flowing for a Black Buck build or three. XL 319 is in poor repair and the mess does tend to obscure the way she would have looked in service. I'll seek out my photographs of the Black Buck plane preserved at Hendon and post those also (not many and not so good, the light in there was terrible...)

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:01 PM

As promised, here are the Vulcan shots, XL 319 as she is today in the Yorkshire Air Museum:

 

That's twelve, not sure if there are any limits on posting capacity so I'll post these and come back for the other dozen in a few minutes...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by paul_toz on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:26 PM

I'm just in the middle of building the Dragon 1/700 Sheffield. It can also be built as the Coventry and the Argentinian Type 42's. It tells you which bits to cut off or miss out for the various differences. 

Dragon also does the Batch 2 and 3 in separate kits, so there's no need to get too crazy with the modifications. 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:30 PM

Hi Greg. Not sure if you saw the ppost from earlier today, but we are going to start the GB earlier. Its going to ryn from Aptil this year to June next year. So you got tons of time. The LVTP7 would be awsome, i reckon we will have the odd Vulcan.

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Posted by Gregbbear on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:22 PM

Hey Bish, I should have a little bit of room on the bench by October.  I would like to join.  I have no idea what I'm going to build.  I'd love to build a Avro Vulcan, but they seem rather hard to come by here in the US.  Resonably priced that is.  Maybe an Argie LVTP7?  Some cool possibilities anyways.

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:01 PM

Start the GB just as soon as you like! I like to move back and forth between my builds anyways and wouldn't mind starting a ship anytime. IMHO to have the "anniversary" fall anywhere within the GB time frame is still good.Cool

       

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:40 AM

My pleasure, Bish, I'll try to get them scaled and posted tomorrow.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:26 AM

Right guys, you asked for it, 1 year 73 days it is. Now we expect results.

If possable, i think it would be an idea to keep this thread running as well.  post referance pics and any accounts you find on here. I'll also post any pics i get that might be useful or interesting while i am down south on here. That will be the GB thread for build pics.

So Thunderbolt, get those Vulvan pics posted.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:15 AM

Really looking forward to this one gang, now I just need to track down my kits before someone else does!

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:03 AM

A long build suits me fine, the year and 73 days sounds great.

For those contermplating a Vulcan, I photographed one of the Black Buck planes at Hendon in 2006, and a few monrths ago got a decent walk-around shoot of XL 319 in the Yorkshire Air Museum, on the outskirts of Sunderland. She's in dire need of restoration but still impressive, and I got good closeups of landing gear and engines. It was easy enough, she's standing on a tarmac area in a lonely corner and you're free to wander under her at will. I'll gladly post my photos if anyone would like them.

Cheers, Mike/starhawk379

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, January 13, 2011 6:06 AM

Early start suits me, I don't mind about the duration. I've ordered the gear I want for the Type 21. I'll commit to that.

I've always wanted to do the three V bombers er... refuelers, here's a chance to do two, but I'm not committing to these as yet. I do have a Victor somewhere deep in the stash though.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:07 AM

Yes it has the legs.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:00 AM

Ye, thats another possability, maybe even April 2nd this year till June 14th next year. Sort of takes in what jrb53 suggested but instead of 73 days its one year and 73 days. I think this has the legs for it seeing as this is just a feeler and there alot of responses. I have seen GB's start on less and turn out very good.

Lets see what other think and i will have a chat with Vance.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:53 AM

I very much agree . Better to get started sooner than later before the blush wears off. I would suggest as start of April 2 the start of Guerra de las Malvinas/ Falklands War and go a year.

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:40 AM

Thats a great account, thanks very much for that. I have only seen a Vulcan flying at an airshow and its an impressive sight. Though large by British standards, it of course doesn't compare with some of the aircraft the US has produced.

Had a chat with Vance about the dates for the GB. Theres more interest in this than i was expecting. And seeing as a few people are looking at multiple builds, i think we are going to extend this to a 12 month GB. Probably start date will be June 14th this year, ending June 14th 2012. That still allows time for those who have other GB's to wrap up and who need to gather supplies. And hopefully the builds will be spread out through the duration of the build.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:26 AM

Here's a little bit of fun. The reason being this shows Vulcan with the Skybolt nuclear standoff missile on pylon mounts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEVdMgvUkaM

The planned B.3 had wing hardpoints for the Skybolt, to replace the Blue Steel missile which was carried in the bay, although the bay doors were modified etc. That block was never built althought he prototypes for the launch rails was created. Eight B.2 Vulcans were initially modified to B.2MRR (Marine Reconaisance) with long range LORAN. Of those eight, five were fitted with Skybolt rails to hold radiation collector pods fashioned from old Hawker Hunter drop tanks.

When Operation Corporate was in planning, the five Vulcans that had the Skybolt hardpoints, but more importantly the Olympus 301, were selected from 101 Squadron and repainted dark gray on the underside, for war.

Elizabeth, note that your beloved Concorde flew on Olympus as well, although a later version. When I was a kid a half century ago we lived in Bristol for a while when dad was in charge of the United Airlines Concorde purchase. He used to go out to Filton every day and I only went out twice, but I got to see the protos, the tie down test pad that had the road diverted around it, and did a bunch of corporate flights down to Toulouse and back on SUD corporate aircraft.

Back to the Falklands, the selected Vulcans were repainted and sent to Ascencion. I will look further and see how many were there at a given time, but I think there were three; XM597, 598, 607.

It's not up to this post to recount the Black Buck missions, but the most interesting ones for me are the anti radar ones.In at least the first two raids, two Vulcans were deployed, armed, and launched, although by Three I haven't found a definitive source except for Six so take your own conclusion.

One, Two and Three were iron bomb loads. They were all targeted at Stanley airport to shorten the runway and prevent long range resupply from Argentina, and in the first two raids were successful. In Black Buck One, the lead aircraft XM598 had a cabin seal failure and the backup aircraft . XM607 continued on. That's the one Airfix models.

Four carried two Shrike missiles, supplied by the US, but was aborted five hours out due to the failure of one of the Victors in the refueling plan to continue.

Five attacked a Westinghouse TPS-43 station with a range of 450 km that had been set up for theater control, and damaged it.

Six is a good study. It was a Shrike mission flown by XM597. It destroyed a Skyguard twin 35 mm Oerlikon cannon base, but could not refuel on the return leg due to a refueling probe break. It diverted to Brazil and was impounded. On the flight the crew jettisoned the paper work out of the access hatch and fired off one Shrike. The other hung up on the rails and was confiscated after landing by Brazil.

The aircraft and crew were repatriated,

The last Black Buck mission, number Seven, dropped air burst weapons over Stanley Airport that largely destroyed aircraft on the ground but did not do damage to the runways, as invasion was in progress.

I hope this is an inspiration for at least one Vulcan build. Although described as a large aircraft, it is about the size of a Boeing 737, which is a short haul airliner.

Like our host said, imagine Ascension at 0200 where six Victors go out, four Saphirres each  in full chat, a Vulcan with four Olympus, four more Victors, another Vulcan and four more Victors?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:11 PM

^^^

Hey, you are correct! Harriers and copters too.Geeked

And, I just perused the instructions between the Type 42 Batch 1 and 2 and the sprues have the parts for either style. So, that's a go as well with little or no trouble to make up parts.Smile

 

 

       

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:55 PM

I take it that comes with a few harriers. So that would be ships and planes in one go.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:51 PM

Bish,

 I can probably pull off doing both even if I have to cast the appropriate parts from one to the other "Batch". I've also got the Invincible by Dragon in 1/700th so I'm thinking we'll get some ships into the GB too.Wink

       

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:47 PM

Well it would be nice to see some Argie ships. I can imagine there will be a few Aircraft, but i guess ship kits would be a bit limited. If you can do both that would be great. If not, i am sure somone will do Sheffield. Either way, plenty of time to see how it stands.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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