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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:53 PM

An F-16 based in Korea doesn't really fit.

There was mention of Norwegian F-16s though, or possibly they were Dutch...  Anyway, they engaged some of the Backfires (?) early on, IIRC...  Can't check it out to make sure.. That's in the part of the book I'm missing... But no, no USAF F-16s were in it...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:01 PM

Oh, yeah.. Put me down for a Tamiya T-62A from one of the Soviet "B"-units.. Probably Polish...

was gonna do SFC Ken MacKall's 11th ACR M1A-Nuttin',  but when I went to look for it, I discovered it was one of the missing kits from last summer's burglary... 

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:03 PM

Put me down, subject TBD. I have a lot to choose from.

 

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Posted by BigSmitty on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:09 PM

I'm in...

At a bare minimum, I'll be doing a Hasegawa 1/72 P-3C "Penguin 8".  I looked up all the VP squadons and detachment listings, found a det that was at Keflavik in 1985 (as opposed to the dets going to sunny Rota).  Kit doesn't have those markings, so I will probably bash some markings together, I have a ton of spare decals.

If I can find a decent 1/350 Knox FF, I'll build the Pharris, after getting it's bow torn off.

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:26 PM

You could probably put me in as a mabe.

I do have several aircraft that could fit the Cold War erea (and possibly the time the book covers) but I've never read Red Storm Rising, or any other Tom Clancy novel, so I got no clue what aircraft/ vehicles were used .

I'll try to get myself a copy, and read it over. Afterwards, I'll make my choice of kit (if I have any that will work) If I don't have any kits in my stash that are mentioned in the book, I'll choose another kit and plea my (it's) case.

 

  

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:01 PM

I've never read Red Storm Rising

GASP!

Wow...

It's far and away Clancy's best work, next to Without Remorse...  

 Red Storm  Rising is basically World War Three... Arab Terrorists manage to destroy the USSR's largest Oil refinery, which in a few months plunge the Soviet Union into darkness, no electricity, no gas, no harvests, anything that needs oil, is gonna be outta fuel or un-makeable leaving Ivan in big trouble with a starving population.  So they decide that in order to keep that from happening, they must take over the oil fields in the Middle East by invading Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, et al...

In order for this plan to be successful though, they must first eliminate all NATO Forces in Western Europe, and do it before the US can mount REFORGER. So they launch an elaborate  maskirovka (masquerade)  which involves unrestricted sea, air, and land operations in Western Europe and  the Atlantic Ocean, although they pull ALL their ballistic missile subs (Boomers) into port, so they're out of the fight. They don't want to go nuke or, on land,chem/bio..

In the beginning, they're pretty successful, going through the Fulda Gap into West Germany, and they put a damn-damn on the US Navy's Atlantic Fleet as well, invading Iceland with little resistance after a surprise attack on the USAF there, leaving the SOSUS line with huge gaps in the North Atlantic, through which Ivan's attack subs can go through undetected.  They, along with the Red Air Force, raise hell with the merchant shipping trying to make it to port in England and France, and the US is stuck doing REFORGER and about the same speed it used in WW2, while the forward-based units of the US and NATO are getting their collectives azzes kicked, and it looks like NATO is gonna lose this one...

Not to write an entire synopsis, but if you can build whatever was "painted green" and shoots at you when the Cold War goes Hot in the mid-80s, that's the deal..

It was one helluva scary book if you were a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine in the 80s...  It also should have been the FIRST Clancy novel made into a movie, but there's no way it could have been done in 100 minutes... It'd have to have been done, at a minimum, af a trilogy, like Star Wars was done initially... Would've taken 12 years to make, and would have actually covered a time-frame of about a real-world month, which is about how long the novel-time lasted, not counting the initial terrorist attack and the ramping-up to war... That took about six months, IIRC... But the actual "shooting war" was less than a month.. 

Anyway, US armor would be without "A"s anywhere, except for M60s and M113s, lol.. New armor, it would be mostly Bradleys and Abrams' without an "A" anything, and not a lot of them... The Stealth fighter in the book was based on the Testor's F-19 and called a "Frisbee" in the book by the pilots..

The fictional "Soviet" Testor's Stealth Fighter, the "MiG 37B Ferret-E" didn't show up in the book...

Tamiya's "Modern Armor Boom" of the late 80s was due to that book too, IMHO...

Basically, you can build anything that would have been floating, flying, or rolling in the early 80s, NATO or Warsaw Pact...  But no F-15Es, no F-117s, B-2s, Challenger IIs, or that kind of stuff..  Just 70s and early 80s military stuff...

Maybe someone will do the "Order of Battle", lol...

 I'll make my choice of kit (if I have any that will work) If I don't have any kits in my stash that are mentioned in the book, I'll choose another kit and plea my (it's) case.

It's probably the easiest route to just ask that, yeah... Rather than listing what CAN be done, just pick some kits out you want to do and ask if they can "play"...

 

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:55 PM

The curse of two of my favorite books being on the third world war in the 80s is that I can't keep them straight (the other one is Team Yankee, by Harold Coyle; a MUST READ for all modern period modelers).  

I will most definitely be in this one, with at least one, possibly two kits (one would probably be the Testors F-19 mocked up as one of the 'Frisbees of Dreamland')  If I do a wingy-thing, it would be a definite break of the mold, because I simply don't build planes.  I can't remember, are there any western or soviet air defense weapons in the book?  I know that there are some air defense weapons at Keflavik (American?  but Soviet for sure.)  I know Shilkas, Stinger MANPADS, and Vulcans appear in Team Yankee, but its escaping my memory for Red Storm.

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Posted by cdclukey on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:44 PM

All participants up to now have been added. Now, for housekeeping traffic...

Hans von Hammer
There was mention of Norwegian F-16s though, or possibly they were Dutch...  Anyway, they engaged some of the Backfires (?) early on, IIRC... 

Yep, Norwegian. One of them jumped the MiGs sent to Iceland and some others tried for the retreating Backfires that mauled the Nimitz battle group.

BTW, as for those burglars...I hope they hang the bastards.

Railfan-- Hans is right...it's probably more efficient to just ask. However, just off the top of my head we have the F-14, F-15, F-16,F-18, F-8 (French Navy), B-52, P-3, Jaguar, Tornado, MiG-29, A-10, F-111, F-19 "Ghostrider" stealth fighter, IL-86, IL-76, Hip, Hind, A-7, Blackhawk, Seahawk, Sea King, Lynx, Backfire, Badger, Bear.

Beav-- I'm really, really hoping for an F-19.

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:01 AM

Ah yes the F-8E (FN)... I have one of those...Hmm

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:02 AM

Ditto on Harold Coyle's Team Yankee ...

A must read for fans of DATs...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:05 AM

I can't remember, are there any western or soviet air defense weapons in the book?

I'm sure I remember ZSU-23-4s at the bridge site the Frisbees took out, and I think there was more than one reference to the M247 Sergeant York DIVAD...

Any of you ADA guys here remember THAT white elephant? Tamiya sunk a bunch of money into that kit, followed by Academy, and then the Army axed the program..  After the Army sunk about 6.5 billion (with a "B") into it for 12  tracks (with 41 more in the pipeline) in it as well...  Back then, "What if" builds didn't get done as much, so when the Sgt York "died", so did the kit sales... Wish I'd grabbed a couple now...

Seems that when it was demonstrated in front of all the Pentagon Brass and key members of the SenateArmed Services Committee, the automated fire-control system, which was designed to home in on the spinning rotors of a hostile helicopter, decided that, rather than engaging the drone helicopter target, the whirling blades of a latrine exhaust fan about a half-mile away was a more enticing target and the twin 40mm Bofors turned the latrine into kindling... One gun also engaged a tree after evaluating its threat level and picking it as a target rather than a another drone.

In Red Storm Rising, the Sgt York lived up to its name though and blotted some Yak 28 Brewers and Il28 Beagles from the sky, although those were some Soviet-satellite country's aircraft, and not USSR... 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:02 PM

At the Soviet bridging site I do recall ADA assets being listed, but not the type (got an SA-6, SA-13, and ZSU-23-4 in the stash...). I need to pull the book off the shelf and read it again. Sounds like a good excuse to me.

Did Clancy mention the Sgt York in the book? I dont remember that part...Hmm

 

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Posted by beav on Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:46 PM

Hmm, well, SGT YORK is still our misfit baby (as are all of our developmental systems see: THEL, SLAMRAAM, MEADS, and some of the more archaic anti-ICBM systems, SPARTAN, SPRINT, etc.)  My personally favorite SGT YORK story is that they couldn't get the computer to transition from tracking a high speed jet to tracking a stationary hovering helicopter.  Besides, by the time SGT YORK was even really conceived gun AA systems were definitely on their way out.  Vulcan and Chaparral only came about as quick fixes before a more permanent SHORAD system, Avenger could come into play...which in itself was an interim until SLAMRAAM could be fielded.  20 years later and we still haven't got something from that program.

I think you can definitely put me down for an F-19, but I'll need a full reread to pick out the ground system that I want to build (maybe a soviet truck of some sort that would figure in the scene where the Frisbees blow up the Western Commander's column after bombing the underground POL site.

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:09 PM

Thanks for giving me a little background on the book, Hans. I'm hooked now. I've got to get myself a copy soon.

Now knowing what I know about the equipment used in the book, I can say definately that I'm going to be in for this build.  I'll find a good kit to build this weekend.

  

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Posted by Medicman71 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:44 PM

Yep. That was the book that got me hooked too. I just picked up Clancy's new book..."Dead Or Alive". I have a Tomcat that i'm using in another group build that I can use here. Been a while since I read the book. Was there specific Tomcat squadrons mentioned?

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Posted by BigSmitty on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:09 PM

For F-14 Tomcat squadrons in the mid-80s for Red Storm Rising, use either VF-84 or VF-41, as they were the 2 F-14 squadrons on CVN-68 at the time.  Could possibly use hi viz (late 70s/early 80s) markings but by that time most squadrons had been ordered to tone down markings (gray on gray blah schemes).

If you can't find those, any kit with a tail code starting with an "A" is good for an Atlantic Fleet F-14.  PACFLT squadron tail codes all start with "N".  Hasegawa's long OOP "F-14 Atlantic Fleet Squadrons" was awesome, as it had decals for 8 or 9 different LANTFLT squadrons.  Might be able to find it on ebay quite cheap.

Here's a set of pretty definitive VF-84 markings through the years, from Afterburner decals... not worth $20 in my opinion, but a good reference.  You'll see low viz to hi viz and switching back and forth through the years.

 

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Posted by Medicman71 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:43 PM

Hmmmmm. Doesn't look like my Tomcat will work then. I'm doing a VF-1 Wolfpack Tomacat. And I really don't want to do yet another "Bones" F-14. Not that I don't like the markings (I love them really), it's just that everyone has done that squadron too many times.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:10 PM

VF-1 had a long association with USS Enterprise. She was transferred from Alameda to Norfolk in 1989 so potentially she could be a game player. I dont recall her being in the book.

Carriers I recall off the top of my head are Nimitz, Saratoga, Foch, and IIRC America. There are probably more listed.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article on the book for those who have not read it. Spoiler Alert!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising

 

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Posted by cdclukey on Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:33 PM

Hans-- I've read The Ten Thousand, but not Team Yankee. The Ten Thousand definitely did not light my fire.

Beav-- To answer your air defense question, there are SA-6s defending the bridge the Frisbees hit, and SA-11s and ZSUs on Iceland. If I come across any others as I go through the book, I'll let you know.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:22 PM

The last book of Coyle's that I read was "More Than Courage". That one I really enjoyed.

I pulled Red Storm off my shelf this afternoon and am skiming thru it right now to see what hardware is listed. So far I have a good little list going.

 

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Posted by beav on Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:14 PM

Awesome guys, thanks.  I might get a SA-6 going too; who knows!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, January 14, 2011 4:36 AM

cdclukey

Hans-- I've read The Ten Thousand, but not Team Yankee. The Ten Thousand definitely did not light my fire.

Team Yankee was Coyle's first novel and as far as I'm concerned, the best one at that... No females in line units either...

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Posted by beav on Friday, January 14, 2011 12:18 PM

Team Yankee was by far the best.  I enjoyed some of the others, but Team Yankee was the most original.  I've got a wargame that allows you to control down to the platoon level, its funny because the 'Team Yankee' in the game is structured exactly like the books'.  10 M1s, 2 M901s, and 1 Mech platoon.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:45 AM

 

OK, so last nite I skimmed thru Red Storm Rising and tried to jot down all the different equipment types listed in the story. Needless to say there is a LOT!!! In some cases, Mr Calncy never got down to specific types. And of course he left out all the different support type vehicles in use at the time that had no active role in the story. But here is a list of stuff by types...

Ships:

USS Nimitz, USS New Jersey, USS Kidd

USS Saratoga, USS Iowa, USS Bunker Hill

USS Independence, USS Ticonderoga, USS Tarawa

USS America, USS Vincennes, USS Guam

USS Coral Sea, USS Wainwright, USS Saipan

USS Inchon, USS Newport ,USS Charleston

USS Groves, USS Nassau, USS Sims

USS Yorktown, USS Ponce, USS Caron

USS Pharris, USS Gallery, USS Midway

USS Talbot, HMS Battleaxe, HMS Illustrious,

Subs:

USS Groton, USS Key West, USS Providence

USS Narwahl, USS Chicago, USS Boston

USS Pittsburg, HMS Trafalgar, HMS Torbay

HMS Osirus, HMS Oberon, HMS Superb

HMS Sceptre, HMNS Kobben,

Soviet Ships/Subs

Kiev,  Kirov,   Kresta II Class

Sovremenny Class, Udaloy Class, Krivak Class

Grisha Class, Mirka Class, Juliet Class

Echo Class, Tango Class, Foxtrot Class

Victor III Class, Papa Class, Akula Class

Oscar Class, Charlie Class, November Class,

Natya Class

 

That's just the ships...

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:03 AM

 

For Aircraft the list is even longer:

NATO Fighter/Strike/Recon/EW:

F-19, F-111F, Tornado GR.1/ADV, F-15

F-4, F-16, EA-6B/A-6/KA-6, A-7

F8E(FN), F-14, S-3A, FB-111

RF-5, Jaguar, A-10, Alpha Jet

Mirage (F-1C or 2000 not specified), F-104G, F/A-18

AV-8 TR-1, RC-135, EF-111

 

Bombers/Patrol/Transport/:

E-3A, P-3C, C-141, B-52H

C-130, E-2C, KC-10, C-5A

Nimrod, Shackleton, C-9,

 

Helicopter:

SH-2F, Lynx, CH-53E, AH-1J/T/W (not specified)

AH-1S/AH-64 (not specified type), UH-60, SH-60

 

Warsaw Pact:

MiG-25 Su17/24/25 (fighter bomber not specified), Tu-16

Tu-22, Tu-22M, MiG-23, MiG-29

MiG-21, Il-76, An-22, Tu-95

Il-86, A-50, Il-38

 

Helicopter:

Mi-8/17, Mi-24, Ka-25

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:11 AM

 

And the shortest list- the ground vehicles:

NATO

M1 Abrams MBT, M-109 SPG, Leopard II MBT,

German Wheeled APC (Poss Fuchs), German Tracked APC (Poss. Marder)

Challenger MBT, Chieftan MBT, Bradley Fighting Vehicle,

Roland SAM,

 

Warsaw Pact:

T-80 MBT, T-72 MBT, T-55 MBT

BMP-1 IFV, BMD-1 AIFV, BTR series APC (60/70/80 not specified)

Unk type MLRS, Towed 152mm Gun, ZSU-30 SP AAA

SA-6 SP SAM, SA-11 SP SAM,

 

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Posted by beav on Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:07 AM

Which company makes the best M2/M3 for the era?  I know Academy and Tamiya have some out there, and that they need to be modified to represent current (or actual, in some cases) vehicles, but are any prepared to build for Red Storm straight out of the box?

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Posted by cdclukey on Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:24 AM

Stikpusher-- Great list,thanks for doing it. Could you add the IL-86 to the Pact aircraft list?

Hans-- I might check Team Yankee out. Lord knows most writers can't be judged by one novel.

Has anyone read General Sir John Hackett's  The Third World War? I understand it was the basis for Coyle's scenario in Team Yankee. There is some brilliant thinking in it but the problem is he wrote a real snoozer. Some of his battle predictions are quite optimistic and some of his political predictions are way too pessimistic, like Jamaica being a second Cuba. The one that really bit him in the butt was Iran (important parts of his scenario turn on Iran remaining a staunch ally of the West in general and America specifically), but almost nobody saw Khomeni's revolution coming.

As for women in line units...yeah. Too many people, even military professionals, don't realize that these restrictions aren't about what's between the soldier's legs, it's about what muscles are in the soldier's upper body. To quote R. Lee Ermey, "I want the Marine next to me to be able to pick me up and haul ass if I get wounded."

Note that the above is not an invitation to talk politics, folks.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:30 AM

Which company makes the best M2/M3 for the era?  I know Academy and Tamiya have some out there, and that they need to be modified to represent current (or actual, in some cases) vehicles, but are any prepared to build for Red Storm straight out of the box?

There's that "best kit" thing again...Bang Head Stick out tongue 

Nothin' personal, Beav... It's just that that question gets asked so often that there oughtta be a separate forum just for that question... Wink

That's gonna be pretty subjective and specific to the modeler, Beav.. But in this case, the Tamiya M2 "A-Nothing" (# 3632 ) kit is about the only "best kit" out there for the RSR-era... IIRC, the M2 kit form Academy was made using Tamiya's molds...

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:33 AM

Has anyone read General Sir John Hackett's  The Third World War? I understand it was the basis for Coyle's scenario in Team Yankee. There is some brilliant thinking in it but the problem is he wrote a real snoozer. Some of his battle predictions are quite optimistic and some of his political predictions are way too pessimistic, like Jamaica being a second Cuba. The one that really bit him in the butt was Iran (important parts of his scenario turn on Iran remaining a staunch ally of the West in general and America specifically), but almost nobody saw Khomeni's revolution coming.

Oh yeah... Read it before any of the others, and it was indeed Coyle's inspiration for Team Yankee.

And ditto again on the "Snoozer".. It was a "future history" textbook more than any kind of novel... Took me a while to get through it... Kept dozing off...

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Posted by beav on Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:10 AM

Hans, I'm so glad that I committed that faux pas which made you bang your head against a 'wall'.  I'm relatively unfamiliar with modern US Armor and the kits of said equipment...so perhaps I should have left best out of my sentence.  

Anyways, I did not intend to start up that conversation here, so, my sincere apologies. Wink  And Hans, I have thick skin, and I usually always say, or do something stupid and regrettable at work everyday...you could say I'm used to it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:28 PM

CD, I have updated the list and added the Il-86 as you requested. I also added the Il-38 May and A-50 Mainstay (they were identified by NATO codename in the book and not by nomenclature). Another point, The ZSU-30 never was a production vehicle in service. I dont know where Mr Clancy based his info for that system, but the the 80s the vehicle used in that role was the ZSU-23-4.

I read Hackett's book. I also have the companion book he wrote. The Third World War, The Untold Story. It has more of the battlefield scenarios that the first book was lacking except for in it's opening chapter. Of interest is that it follows a Soviet Motor Rifle Lieutenant thru much of the "war". It was written a few years later and it ties up some of the loose ends of the original book.

Another Novel that came out in the late 80s and was of the same vein was called Red Army, by Ralph Peters, a former US Army intel type. His novel was one heck of a read focusing exclusively on the Soviet side.

 

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Posted by BigSmitty on Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:11 PM

There needs to be some hard and fast rules about what was and what wasn't in the book...

USS Enterprise and VF-1:

Any carrier aircraft are not based ON that carrier, rather Naval Air Stations on each coast (and NAF Atsugi in Japan).  The planes and squadrons stay even if the carrier shifts homeports.  Enterprise was still at NS Alameda in 1988 so she wouldn't fit.  VF-1 was based at NAS Miramar in San Diego and always has been, until disestablishment.

USS Midway

Midway was the US Navy's only forward based carrier at Naval Station Yokosuka in Japan, from the early 1970s until she was replaced in June 1992 by the USS Independence.  I know this because I was on USS Bunker Hill (also stationed at NS Yoko) when we escorted Midway to Pearl Harbor to do the crew swap.

USS Bunker Hill

Bunker Hill is another story.  She was never stationed on the East Coast (although she was built at Bath Iron Work in Maine and commissioned in 1986, right about the time the book came out).  Since she was the first ship in the Navy to utilize the Mk 41 VLS (Vertical Launch System), Clancy probably included her in the book.  From her commissioning until late 1998, she was forward deployed to NS Yoko as well.

Units that need to be added to the "Master List"

M2 Bradley (Tamiya 35132 is the initial variant best suited to RSR as HvH alluded to)

USS Reuben James FFG 57 (CO of Pharris transferred to RJ after Pharris took one on the bow) She would probably not have had the extended stern for handling the SH-60s (RAST gear, etc) in the mid 1980s as it was just being retrofitted on the earlier hulls, even though the "prototype" SH-60F was being carried by RJ in the book.

I have RSR on my iPad since I couldn't read much of my dog-eared 1st ed of the book.  However, sure makes it easy to search for specific terms and getting our list squared away.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:29 PM

USS Midway is mentioned tangentily in the story. It is said she is the only carrier battle group out in the Nothern Pacific at the time and "would probably not have the moxie" to go after Kanchatka/Vladivostok alone. As for many of the other ships mentioned that are Pacific fleet units (USS Tarawa and USS New Jersey among them, which I used to see often at the old Long Beach Naval Base here), the book mentions a large transfer of Pacific Fleet ships to the Atlantic. As far as Rueben James goes, were the OHP Frigates built and commisioned in the order of their hull numbers? If so, she was one of the last of the class to be commsioned, wiki showing 1986, and only four more after her in the US. Wouldn't she have been built with the extended stern? USS Enterprise I mentioned earlier as conceivably she could have been transferred with VF-1 aboard to the Atlantic- not listed in the book, but just in response to a question.

Let me check the list again, I am fairly certain I put the M2 down along with the M3.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:47 PM

As for women in line units...yeah. Too many people, even military professionals, don't realize that these restrictions aren't about what's between the soldier's legs, it's about what muscles are in the soldier's upper body. To quote R. Lee Ermey, "I want the Marine next to me to be able to pick me up and haul ass if I get wounded."

No kiddin'... I got a daughter in the Army  (Blackhawk pilot now,  and she's getting ready to switch to Apaches next fall), she's all of 5'4" and 120-25 pounds...  No way she's ever gonna haul a 6'1", 210 lb guy out of a hole that's five feet deep he & she both are wearing 40 lbs of body armor and battle-rattle...   Not without her Blackhawk, anyway, lol.. Those gals who BM&W about wanting Combat Arms opportunities really pizz her off too...  The Israelis tried it, and they failed...  Miserably...

Was a funny exchange about it, regarding males and females in combat arms, in Harold Coyle's book,  Trial by Fire, which introduced us to the Infantry's first female Platoon Leader, 2LT Nancy Kozak...  Seems that in the book, we were invading Mexico (for reasons not necessary to telling  this little tid-bit) and the invasion Force was driving their AFVs there from Ft Hood (Shades of OIF-1), when Kozak was rather suddenly and crudely reminded that females are on a certain... biological cycle, and was also reminded that when she had hurriedly packed her gear, she'd forgotten about packing something for that rather personal need females are subject to on a monthy basis...   The story starts here:

Kozak thought that Supply Sergeants in line-units, especially those in Infantry Companies, weren't likely to anticipate the need for such an item and wouldn't have packed any "Feminine Hygene" products in the sundry packs that he'd loaded on his truck two days ago for his soldiers'  personal needs (which is exactly what Staff Sergeant Marty Flynn considered them all to be, "his" Soldiers).  She figured that the stuff he'd pack in them was more likely limited to things like writing paper, envelopes, pencils and pens, a dozen pairs of cheap sunglasses, boxes of travel-sized sunscreen, lip balm, bug dope, toilet paper, band-aids, soap, disposable razors and shaving cream, depilatory (for black troops who couldn't use razors due to shaving profiles), foot powder, and a couple dozen other little but handy items,  etc.. But no, not a chance of something that specific to females. And she sure didn't want to have him dig up a box just for her from the bed of a combat-loaded truck on the side of the road, in front of the male dismounts in the Bradley's troop compartment.  She was having enough trouble fitting in without having THAT take place.

       If Kozak had put aside her embarassment about it, engaged her brain-housing group, and simply asked Sergeant Flynn if he could help her out, she'd have discovered that he did indeed pack sanitary napkins, but not because he was actually that prepared, but rather because he knew that those items were excellent at absorbing blood, and as one of the only two NCOs in the company that was a combat veteran (First Sergeant Felton C. Griffin being the other), he expected blood, and a lot of it, in the next few days and wanted to make sure that "Doc" Dykstra, the platoon's medic, had more than just the dozen or so field dressings for his aid-bag.   

      Kozak called out on the Bradley's ICS to Specialist Mark Talbert, the Bradley's driver, to break convoy and pull into the little Circle- K she'd spotted from the up in the TC hatch.  "Driver, right turn,  head up the ramp."  Talbert gunned the M2 and drove up the ramp of  Interstate 35's frontage road, where they pulled into the parking lot, noting the surpirsed exspressions on the faces of the people who were there getting gas, grabbing some beer, milk and bread, or whatever they needed to pick up on their way home from work, not knowing yet that the soldiers were on their way to war.

"Have the dismounts stay in the track, Sergeant Wilkes.", Kozak dropped down inside the Bradley and then lowered her voice a bit and talked directly into the Sergeant's ear,  "I'll be back in a minute. I gotta get something kinda personal."   She noted Wilkes initial puzzled expression, and then said in an even quiter voice, "My 'Aunt Flo' just showed up, unannounced."  Staff Sergeant Marty Wilkes, a native Texan, and the only married man in the squad,  immediatley recognized the "code" from Kozak. He quickly nodded his understanding and answered, "Yes Ma'am, but make it quick or we'll have a helluva time getting back where we're supposed to be." Kozak doffed her CVC helmet and grabbed her cap, then dismounted the Bradley.

In the back of the Bradley, the dismounts were talking (now that their "Lady El-Tee" was out of earshot), as grunts do, about her and why she suddenly had to break convoy, stop, and run inside a C-Store they'd come across. 

 Private First Class Nick Mannelli was an 18 year-old, smart-azzed Italian kid from New York, New York, "The city so nice they named it twice", he always said to anyone that asked him where he was from, as if his accent didn't tell you right away.  Mannelli was a good soldier,  but hadn't yet developed the tact that was now being required of all the males in the company (and the entire battalion for that matter) since the arrival of the first female Infantry Officer in the entire U.S. Army some six weeks ago.   He also didn't care who heard him either, so he'd spent a lot time with a floor buffer in the Orderly Room, and the Old Man's and First Sergeant's offices.

    Wilkes remarked, " Manelli, you dope... I'll make it simple for y'all to understand. The El-Tee is on the rag  and needs some Kotex."  Manelli answered, "Ah.. So that's what that smell was."  Some laughter broke out and his buddy, Specialist Bobby Smith, a big, bear-like,  likeable kid and the squad's SAW gunner from some little farm-town in Nebraska and whom everyone, even the First Sergeant, called 'Smitty',  said to Manelli, "What, Brooklyn? You ain't never smelled a b*tch in heat before?"  Even more laughter broke out, at Mannelli's expense, since he (alone) considered himself a "real player" and a ladies man.  "Yeah, sure. Lots of times, Manelli retorted. "But never in a Bradley..."

I know the set-up was alittle long, but that's the way Coyle wrote, and it was rather funny...

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:57 PM

beav

Hans, I'm so glad that I committed that faux pas which made you bang your head against a 'wall'.  I'm relatively unfamiliar with modern US Armor and the kits of said equipment...so perhaps I should have left best out of my sentence.  

Anyways, I did not intend to start up that conversation here, so, my sincere apologies. Wink  And Hans, I have thick skin, and I usually always say, or do something stupid and regrettable at work everyday...you could say I'm used to it.

Don't sweat it, Beav... I wasn't offended at all, so no apologies needed... Just givin' ya a little static, hence the other smilies too...  Didn't want to razz ya too hard and give you the wrong impression of ME...  I'm just normally a bit curmudgeonly, and am often refered to as,  "Your Azz-holiness"... But I still like to joke around here...

  I was serious about it being the most often-asked question but only jokingly said it should have its own forum though..  Well.. Sorta jokingly..., well.. Maybe... Nah... I meant that part...Wink

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Posted by beav on Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:38 PM

Hans von Hammer

 

 

Don't sweat it, Beav... I wasn't offended at all, so no apologies needed... Just givin' ya a little static, hence the other smilies too...  Didn't want to razz ya too hard and give you the wrong impression of ME...  I'm just normally a bit curmudgeonly, and am often refered to as,  "Your Azz-holiness"... But I still like to joke around here...

  I was serious about it being the most often-asked question but only jokingly said it should have its own forum though..  Well.. Sorta jokingly..., well.. Maybe... Nah... I meant that part...Wink

Heh heh heh, its all part of my grand plan Hans...what that is...I don't really know.  I'm thinking I should pick up some of those books mentioned earlier in the thread, it'd give me some good reading about the 'good old days' (remember I work in air and missile defense) when I would have been able to push the 'Auto' button on my control console and obliterate every hostile track in the sky...I think the way it works now is I need a two-star general standing over my shoulder before we tell the computer to engage whenever it feels like it...(which I guess is good...)

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:56 PM

I'd like to join this Group Build - Red Storm Rising is one of my favorite books.  I've just picked up the Hasegawa F-14A Atlantic Fleet Squadrons from Sprue Brothers which should fit the requirements of this build.  Thanks!

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Posted by satch_ip on Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:07 PM

Hey Hans, good luck to your daughter.  My oldest boy just returned from Afghanistan with the 7th Marines.

As for your point, Iraq and Afghanistan have shown us that no women in Combat Arms doesn't mean no women in combat.  The fluid nature of modern irregular warfare means than anyone in theater may be immersed in heavy combat albeit for a short time.  From all accounts I've heard, the women have acquitted themselves well.

This is in now way an endorsement of women in the Combat Arms for the very reasons you state.  But the distinction is becoming less relevant in the GWOT.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:53 PM

This link will be most helpful. It lists every carrier deployment along with their embarked air group during the time period covered by RSR ( and many other years)

http://www.history.navy.mil/download/dictnry/Appendx3.pdf

Then one just needs to look up that particular air wing to see what squadrons were part of the wing during the time period.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:32 PM

And I found this site which lists Carrier Air Wing compositions and deployments.

http://gonavy.jp/CVWf.html

One other point I have come across. USS Independence, one of the US Carriers named as a paricipant in RSR, was in SLEP, an extended overhaul, from Feb 85 until June 88.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:26 AM

satch_ip

Hey Hans, good luck to your daughter.  My oldest boy just returned from Afghanistan with the 7th Marines.

As for your point, Iraq and Afghanistan have shown us that no women in Combat Arms doesn't mean no women in combat.  The fluid nature of modern irregular warfare means than anyone in theater may be immersed in heavy combat albeit for a short time.  From all accounts I've heard, the women have acquitted themselves well.

This is in now way an endorsement of women in the Combat Arms for the very reasons you state.  But the distinction is becoming less relevant in the GWOT.

Glad to hear that your Marine made it home safe.. I know the feeling, I had both kids deployed at the same time a couple years ago...

Thanks for the well-wishes...  I'd flown with her before I retired from the Green Machine (on flight drills as an observer), and although I might be biased, I think she's a helluva good stick, for sling-winger...  I frankly don't want her in Guns, but I understand her desire...

 Let me be clear about it though, I don't worry about her safety in Slicks vs Guns, just that I know she'll get a lot more flight-time in 'Hawks (Even more in Sh*thooks) than Apaches... And at this point in her career, flight-time is more important... However, the Guns offer her a much quicker and easier way to get a commision than she will as a Warrant, so it's a trade-off, I guess..  She now wants a company command someday, and she won't get one as a warrant officer, knowwhutImean? 

While I know that there's no clear line between women in combat anymore, that's not the real issue.. It's females in Combat Arms that I've always been against, and for not only the reason that Ermy says (and that's a GOOD one), but as with anything that the Army does (or worse, what civilians want it to do), I ask two questions: "Does it increase our Lethality?" and, "Does it increase our Survivability?"... If the answer is, "No" to either question, then leave it be, dammit... And no senator or representative, looking to increase his/her chances of getting the female voters, ever honestly deals with those questions... 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:44 AM

Now, back to the GB... Stik's list didn't include that T-62A (although I have no idea why Clancy didn't mention them, yet put T-55s in there)... The Poles and East German units would have been equipped with '62s, I'm sure...  Even the "Russian-proper" B-formations (reservists) should have been equipped with them...

I'm doing an M109A3 155mm SP Howitzer for the "Have Gn, Will Travel" GB...  Think I'll just do a "Crossover"...  Pretty sure that they had Alpha-3s in Germany at that time, as I was a Section Chief on one Stateside (2 AD) during the book's time-frame...

 

 

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Posted by beav on Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:51 AM

Hans, heres a theory, by the time the T-55s and the Poles showed up, weren't they fighting Reserve 'C' units?

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:12 PM

Hans von Hammer

Now, back to the GB... Stik's list didn't include that T-62A (although I have no idea why Clancy didn't mention them, yet put T-55s in there)... The Poles and East German units would have been equipped with '62s, I'm sure...  Even the "Russian-proper" B-formations (reservists) should have been equipped with them...

The list is  full of holes for ground equipment. Now trying to lock down an exact time for the book makes it worse with old equipment being retired and other new stuff coming on line. On the US side it mentions a National Guard Armored Division (only one I know of was the 49th out of Texas) which would likely be equipped with M-60A1s or M48A5s, along with M113s, M109A1/A2, M110A1, etc. At the time of the novel, my Regular Army unti, the 5th ID was part of III Corps, the Stateside Corps slated for REFORGER to reinforce NATO in just such a scenario. We were a Division 86 unit with mostly older equipment: M-60A1/M113A2/M901A1/M-109A3/M-163A1, along with some newer stuff such as the MLRS. Other stuff in widespread use but not named, M-60A3 MBT, M-106 SP Mortar, M-577 Command Post Track, Gamma Goat, M-151A2 1/4 ton truck (AKA Jeep, not MUTT), CUCV, M35A2 2 1/2 Ton Truck, Gore, M-578, M88A1, M-728 CEV...

and on the Soviet/WARPACT side there are just as many omissions: T-64 MBT, T-62 MBT, BRDM series, SA-13, ZSU-23-4, 2S1, 2S3, BM-21 MLRS, BMP-2... plus a whole lot more....

 

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Posted by beav on Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:11 PM

I don't think Clancy was writing a full-on scenario, hence the omissions.  What we could do is set a likely date range for the build, ie 1985-1987 or something from which people could choose their model.  

Another note, when did the NATO three-tone scheme take over from that other one (that I cannot remember the name of)

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:15 PM

This is a great group build idea!  I cannot resist it.  So put me down for an Eduard Su-17 and a Monogram EA-6B Prowler, both 1/48.  It's been years since I read the book, but I'd have thought there would be an E2 Hawkeye in the book, but I didn't see it on the list referenced. 

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Posted by Kugai on Sunday, January 16, 2011 4:10 PM

While I've signed up for a number of group builds already, the 1q7 months would give me some time to pull something from my "already started/priority" stash that's under 50% complete, but there's a catch.

Would the Italeri/Testors F-19 kit work for the planes referred to as the "Frisbees from Dreamland" or some such in the book?  It's the closest I can think of to matching the description Clancy gave in the days before the Nighthawk was declassified.

If not, I may officially sign up later with something more conventional.

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Posted by beav on Sunday, January 16, 2011 4:52 PM

@ Aggieman, I KNOW hawkeyes have to be in the book; carrier battle groups cannot function without them.  I bet they weren't mentioned by nomenclature which is how the list was compiled.

@ Kugai, the F-19 would be the correct kit to build; Italeri/Testors were grasping at straws and I think its one of those goldmine kits that have been made...that is until what F-117s really looked like was revealed.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 16, 2011 5:04 PM

Aggieman

This is a great group build idea!  I cannot resist it.  So put me down for an Eduard Su-17 and a Monogram EA-6B Prowler, both 1/48.  It's been years since I read the book, but I'd have thought there would be an E2 Hawkeye in the book, but I didn't see it on the list referenced. 

Hawkeye is on the list under E2C. Blink and you'll miss it.Wink

 

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, January 16, 2011 6:57 PM

Hawkeye is on the list under E2C. Blink and you'll miss it.Wink

Apparently I blinked a bunch because I literrally never saw it.  Went back and checked again and there it is crystal clear.

Depending on how the builds go, I may add the Kinetic E2-C Hawkeye kit I recently got as well to this GB.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, January 16, 2011 7:24 PM

On the US side it mentions a National Guard Armored Division (only one I know of was the 49th out of Texas) which would likely be equipped with M-60A1s or M48A5s, along with M113s, M109A1/A2, M110A1, etc. At the time of the novel, my Regular Army unti, the 5th ID was part of III Corps, the Stateside Corps slated for REFORGER to reinforce NATO in just such a scenario. We were a Division 86 unit with mostly older equipment: M-60A1/M113A2/M901A1/M-109A3/M-163A1, along with some newer stuff such as the MLRS.

Well, that helps a lot.. Dayum.. I'd forgotten all about the 49th being mentioned by name, lol.  The 49th AD  was the only National Guard Armored Division that had all of it's units in one state.  It was HQ'd at Camp Mabry, Austin, TX, but their MATES (Mobilization And Equipment Training Site) was at North Ft. Hood and I was in a artillery battery in the TXARNG (C Btry- 4/133 FA in Seguine, TX) from '84-'88, when I went back to the RA (The 80s Oil Boom was over *sigh*)... We were capstoned to III Corps too...

Indeed, we had the M-60A3, M113-series, M109A2/A3s, M548s, M110s (one GS Battalion), ADA was Chaparalls &  M163 SP Vulcans, ENgineers had SEEs, CEVs, and trucks,  ARVs of both the M88 and M578 variety, Gamma Goats, CUCVs (including some M880s), GOERs, HEMTTs,  M151A2s, M-35A2s, 5-tons,  everything an RA armored division would have in the mid-eighties, in other words (The exception was that there were no FAASVs in the 49th, all FA battalions had M548s. )...  There were also  two Air Cav Troops in the 1/124th CAV (E & F Troops) with OH-58Ds , UH-1(H?), (E Troop), and AH-1(S?) Cobras (F Troop)...

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Posted by Medicman71 on Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:43 PM

Well it looks like my VF-1 Wolfpack F-14A won't work. Hmmmmm. I guess i'll have to see what I have in the stash. I have a S-3 Viking but i'm planning to do that in the Centennial of Naval Aviation markings so i'm not sure. I do want to join the GB, just gotta figure out what to do.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 17, 2011 12:10 PM

Check out those links I posted on P.3 for listings of VF squadrons that are possible for use here.

I started properly RE reading Red Storm Rising yesterday. I found two other Sovier Sub classes (Charlie and November) and a Minesweeper (Natya class) named that I had missed on the skim thru. They are added to the equipment list of page 2. another thing I read was it mentioned USS Chicago being commisioned only a few months before the story begins in January. A quick check on USS Chicago shows that she was commisioned on 27 Sept, 1986, so theoreticaly, RSR takes place in 1987.

Sorry if I am jumping your handle here CD, but that time, subject, and book is sort of a passion for me.

 

 

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Posted by Medicman71 on Monday, January 17, 2011 12:20 PM

I checked Stikpusher and they're not there. Thanks anyway. I do have a Su-25 in the stash I could do. Will that work? I believe I saw it there on the Order of Battle.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 17, 2011 3:32 PM

beav

Another note, when did the NATO three-tone scheme take over from that other one (that I cannot remember the name of)

The NATO camo three color scheme started appearing around summer' 86 or so IIRC... Before that the Army and Marines both used the four color MERDC schemes that were "adjustable" to the area and time of year. IE: Spring/Summer Verdant, or Gray Desert. Also there was at least one, and possibly more experimental camo schemes is use. As well as lots of stuff in overall Forest Green 34079. I know in 1987, in my Mech Inf Battallion MERDC Camo, NATO TriColor Camo, Experimental Four Color Camo, and Forest Green were all there.

 

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Posted by beav on Monday, January 17, 2011 5:10 PM

Wow that really opens up the playing field for paint options.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:22 PM

I found and added another ship to the list that I had previously missed. USS Talbot, a Brooke Class FFG. In case anybody has the old Monogram kit in their stash...Whistling 

 

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Posted by cdclukey on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:59 PM

OK, given the trouble we're having deciding what's in and what's out, I'm going to modify the rules.

As Stikpusher pointed out, it would appear the book takes place in 1987. So, let's do this: If the subject you want to build would have been in service in the proper location in 1987, it's in. If it's mentioned in the book, it's in. If you really have to, you can go back to 1985, which is about the time Clancy would have had to start writing it.

So, in the book (even if the book conflicts with reality) or in service in Europe or in the Atlantic. USN Pacific fleet stuff can be included (they come through the Panama Canal midway through the book) if the ships they're associated with are home ported in San Diego or Pearl.

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Posted by Medicman71 on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:31 PM

Soooooo. Does this mean I can use the VF-1 Tomcat? If not i'll use my Su-25 Frogfoot.

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Posted by cdclukey on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:50 AM

I'd say go with the Frogfoot.

 

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Posted by Medicman71 on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:28 AM

Ok, that'll work. It's the Revell 1/48 Su-25 Frogfoot. I'll add some stuff to it as well just not sure what yet.

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:32 PM

My F-19 arrived in the mail today, and its looking good for a kit that is as old as I am!  The Model Master paint brochure was dated 1988...

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Posted by cdclukey on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:36 PM

Where can you still get one of those?

Mind if I ask how old you are?

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:40 PM

I got mine off of ebay (and they are DEAD CHEAP).  I missed out on a bundle of the F-19 plus that crazy Soviet Stealth Fighter.  

And, I would be 22 (hence I'm as old as that brochure, young bachelors have to have a hobby you know...)

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Posted by cdclukey on Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:46 AM

I looked around after I asked you that question,and would you believe that Revell Germany is still making new kits of it in 1/144? Found one on ehobbies and another one on Amazon. Still, no school like the old school.

As for bachelors and hobbies, you bet. Keeps you out of the bars, and keeping out of the bars keeps you out of the delivery room. :-)

General announcement: Sometime between now and the end of the weekend I'll be back by to update the participant list. And if you're in the Midwest, you know tonight will be an excellent night to stay the heck away from the outdoors and slap some glue on something. Enjoy your builds!

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Posted by BigSmitty on Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:34 AM

I need to make a change to my build.  I'll start with Tamiya's 1/35 M2 Bradley IFV, 3rd ID markings.  I already have the kit, and can't justify spending close to $40.00 for a 25 year old kit for a GB.

Just for clarification, this is NOT the M2A2 ODS Bradley, but the 1985 Tamiya M2 issue with the interior.

Maybe later down the road I can find an Orion on the cheap for "Penguin 8".

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Posted by cdclukey on Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:10 PM

Noted, Smitty.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:54 AM

stikpusher

 beav:

Another note, when did the NATO three-tone scheme take over from that other one (that I cannot remember the name of)

 

The NATO camo three color scheme started appearing around summer' 86 or so IIRC... Before that the Army and Marines both used the four color MERDC schemes that were "adjustable" to the area and time of year. IE: Spring/Summer Verdant, or Gray Desert. Also there was at least one, and possibly more experimental camo schemes is use. As well as lots of stuff in overall Forest Green 34079. I know in 1987, in my Mech Inf Battallion MERDC Camo, NATO TriColor Camo, Experimental Four Color Camo, and Forest Green were all there.

Ditto... We were still painting stuff in NATO camo as late as 1988/89... New tracks and wheels were coming from depot with the overall Forest Green, and the "Paint by Numbers" sheets were handed out to the OMS's to paint over the green and MERDC-camo'd vehicles.... "My" 1/4-ton (I was an Engineer Battalion NBC NCO  at that time and had a "hack" 1/4 ton of my very own, lol), which was initially assigned to me in MERDC-camo, got a NATO paint job by me personally, as did all the small-wheels (1/4-tons and CUCVs)...  We (the drivers, that is)were given these cockamamee "NATO Paint Kits" that had a paint-gun/trigger assembly that snapped onto a regular rattle-can...

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Posted by beav on Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:53 AM

'Nato paint kits'?!  sounds like fun!  At least the enemy will be able to sort our battalions important equipment from the our trucks-diferent camo schemes.  We're running 50% desert on our conventional stuff (trucks, HMMWVs etc) and Nato on the systems (radars, launchers etc).  Echo co. the maintenance people have some vehicles in flat green rolling around yet.

Our Nato schemes go really well with the yellow safety paint that they've put everywhere to make sure soldiers don't trip when climbing around...

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:29 AM

Yes, that was one of those eye opener moments, after training all that time Stateside about camouflage and tactical concealment, etc. then upon arival in West Germany and drawing our vehicles from the POMCUS site all the road safety stuff they had. After all Konrad on the Autobahn had to be able to see us as we moved with our reflector tape, whoopie lights, lack of foliage, etc. Train like your gonna fight? Not if the Greens have any say in the matter, which in 1980s West Germany, they did.

 

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Posted by cdclukey on Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:52 AM

Just got a call from the LHS...HMS Trafalgar is in port. I'll go get her today.

I have a dilemma now. Build her as HMS Torbay (featured in the book, with four kills and her captain is an integral part of the planning of Operation Doolittle) or HMS Trafalagar, which is only mentioned and unfortunately dies an ignominous death. But there's something about the name ship of a class, especially one with a name like Trafalgar. But I prefer the ducted props that all the boats after Trafalgar have. Hmmm...guess I'll figure it out after I have the kit in my hands.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, January 22, 2011 3:14 PM

I faced the same dilemma when I bought the kit not too long ago. I built mine as HMS Torbay (not quite finished yet, but soon), because yes, the ducted screw does look cool and of course after reading about Torbay in the novel. But the kit does have several other options- planes extended or retracted, periscopes/antennas extended or retracted, jackstaff(the bow and stern flagpoles to  a guy like me?) up or down, as well as the screw options. Well since they cost about $10 a sub, why get only one...:kinky:???

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:04 PM

beav

'Nato paint kits'?!  sounds like fun!  At least the enemy will be able to sort our battalions important equipment from the our trucks-diferent camo schemes.  We're running 50% desert on our conventional stuff (trucks, HMMWVs etc) and Nato on the systems (radars, launchers etc).  Echo co. the maintenance people have some vehicles in flat green rolling around yet.

Our Nato schemes go really well with the yellow safety paint that they've put everywhere to make sure soldiers don't trip when climbing around...

Yeah, it was a hoot alright... Trying to camo a desert yellow CUCV under a Woodland net in white Ft Hood caliche, surrounded by brown mesquite and green cedar, lol...

During Desert Storm, our battalion's howitzers and tracks were still painted in the NATO camo, and the wheels were tan...  Dunno why they even bothered with painting the wheels..   Anyway... When we got back to the states, all our howitzers went to depot and we never saw them again, we got new green howitzers (heard they came from the POMCUS stocks in Germany since the Cold War was over) and FAASVs, and they were still that way when I left in 92... Before that time-frame(in late 80's), the only desert camo'd stuff I ever saw in the States was the 24th Mech's iron, and some units from the Arizona ARNG, 'cept they were painted with that wierd Desert MERDC, rather than the regular straight Desert Tan the 24th had... Oh, and the OPFOR at NTC... 

After DS, it was, like you said, easy to spot the important stuff on FTXs since nobody repainted anything...  I knew it  wasn't gonna happen anyway, I said so, lol.  The day we left  SA in '91 and everybody on the plane was hootin' and hollerin',  I told my guys not to be too happy, since we were gonna be going back in a few months...

Turned out I was wrong, but only about how long it would be before we had to take some of the same ground (and then some) we'd already owned once, but not about going back... 

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Posted by beav on Sunday, January 23, 2011 3:03 PM

We did a brigade run past a bunch of the paladin and MLRS units' motor pools the other day.  It was slow, downhill and boring so I took the time to admire their M88s, M109s, and M270s.  I am shocked that apparently, some of the extreme weatherers are vindicated by a few vehicles that are floating around out there in active duty garrison units.  There was one M88 that was faded almost white, had massive oil streaks all over the side, and the tracks were all rusted up.  No silver drybrushing on that beast!  An M109 I saw looked like it had been drybrushed with a dark tan around all the high edges.  Wow, never seen junk like that before.  That and in one fire unit of paladins I was able to discern at least three different shades of desert camo!

There is a NG unit in my hometown that still rocks the MERDC woodland on some of their trucks, CONEXs, etc.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:19 PM

The MERDC schemes were notorious for color shift and fade. But yes, modern stuff is much more prone to extreme weathering due to its' long service life. After all the time span for usage of most WWII stuff is much shorter. A 76mm M4A1 Sherman would only have a combat service life max of less than a year from first use in July 44 to VE day in May 45, for example.

 

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Posted by beav on Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:30 PM

But for all that, the MERDC schemes are cool.  I still think my favorite camo scheme of all time is the NATO tri-color, and I'm glad that all my equipment is green, black, and brown.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 24, 2011 1:04 AM

Yes they are. They were very versatile and blended well in the intended environments, their shortcomings were not major. The whole reason for the switch to NATO Tri Color was primarily to make it harder to identify the nationality of equipment by camo alone. But seeing as how not all NATO countries adopted the Tri Color camo, that goal was not completely met.

 

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Posted by beav on Monday, January 24, 2011 7:16 PM

psh, opsec, who needs it anyways.

I know I saw a piece of equipment in someone's motorpool today that was MERDC woodland.  I was impressed, they probably didn't even know they had it.

Hans, you would appreciate this.  Today we had some people out in the motor pool taking photos and using a measuring tape for reference.  The first thing that I thought was wow, someone is going to make a new mold of a HEMMT, but then I went up and talked to them.  It was so bizarre that I had to get it checked, but here it was.  No, they were not in the model making business.  They were from Raytheon who has a contract to produce a first-person view computer game for systems maintainers.  Yes, thats right, they are going to train mechanics on how to fix faults or broken bits on a computer game.  

What happened to just learning by doing?  If they are struggling for broken stuff to fix, they should just go down to the DOL/Railhead area where they've got the vehicles that need to be reclaimed/refurbished.  I should really bring my camera to that lot and get pictures that would put extreme weatherer's to shame for not going far enough.

Anyways, unless I'm blind, this build has kicked off hasn't it?

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, January 28, 2011 12:44 PM

They were from Raytheon who has a contract to produce a first-person view computer game for systems maintainers.  Yes, thats right, they are going to train mechanics on how to fix faults or broken bits on a computer game.  

What happened to just learning by doing?  

The sims are pretty realistic, don't require vehicles, and can train a couple dozen strudents at the same time on the same task... Can't get that many guys onto one piece of actual equipment... Much easier and cheaper to do a virtual repair job on 24 virtual vehicles rather than having 24 real ones sitting there to play with.. 

You're too young to remember the TEC (Training Extension Course) tapes we used to have for that same purpose... THOSE were pretty bad, lol...  Even the docs (Doctors, not the Doc) had 'em, and did virtual Triage and wound treatment on tapes and later, laser discs with this "light pen thing" that you touched the screen with...  That was bacck in the mid 90's when I firs saw those things.. Everything from the aforementioned medical stuff to helicopter aviaonics to Patriot fire-control stuff...

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 28, 2011 1:10 PM

"The only way  to train a man to carry 90 lbs up and down hills is to have him carry 90 lbs up and down hills."

Charlie Beckwith

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, January 28, 2011 3:09 PM

"Here lie the bones of Ranger Jones

A graduate of this institution.

He died last night, in his first firefight,

Using the School Solution" -Epitath on the tombstone outside the US Army Ranger School HQ building at Ft Benning...

However, the "Train as you Fight" creedo doesn't apply much to the Wrenchs at their schoolhouse...   Not a lot of vehicles get a new neutral safety switch installed or a transfer case replaced under fire, ya know...

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 28, 2011 3:33 PM

Well considering that my mechanical aptitude really needs hands on to learn a skill (the SINGARS instructor and repair courses re-inforced that to me a few years back) I guess I am one of those hard old school cases...Whistling As long as it works effectively, go for it.Yes

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:02 AM

Heh.. I'm just kinda "Hit it with a bigger hammer" type... With commo, I was like Andy Griffith's character Will Stockdale in "No Time for Sergeants" (If you haven't read it or seen the movie, you're missing a helluva funny thing)... He was having problems with the radio in a B-25...

"Whenever my Pa had a problem with our old radio, he'd just open the back, spit in it, and then give it a big Whomp! on the side"

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Posted by Buffirn on Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:58 AM

I think I am going to build a few different things.  I'll start with a Hobby Boss Oscar and head on out from there.  Some tanks, some planes, sounds like a good time.

 

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Posted by cdclukey on Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:04 PM

Beav is correct, we have kicked off! Stand to and start building!

Buffrin, welcome aboard. An Oscar will be a fine addition, let us know what else you're doing as you decide.

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Posted by JMart on Saturday, February 5, 2011 6:52 PM

Oh I like this idea! I loved RSR. I do (very mildly) disagree with Hans in that I do not think it should have been the FIRST Clancy book to be made into a movie. They should make a movie NOW, when the CGA are state of the art and all the battle scenes can be reproduced just like the book. And yes, RSR and Without Remorse are his best; now, he has gone the way of the (Stephen) King.

 

In terms of OOB, there was a wargame made based on the book (both board and computer WG, IIRC). The game had a comprehensive OOB.

 

Cdclukey – yes, I read Hackett’s work; more formal and academic than a straight “fiction” book, but very good (and dry) nevertheless for what it is. Oh, and whatever you do, do NOT get the ARII HMS Trafalgar (1:700), VERY inaccurate.

 

For RSR, Clancy actually had a co-author, Larry Bond of “Harpoon” naval warfare simulation fame. Larry Bond also wrote some solo books, of which the first three are “up there” with RSR, before the quality dried up rather quickly (avoid his sub-based books!).

 

Some good alternative history discussion regarding RSR:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=97087

 

Oh, about the GB  lol ….  You can add me with an LA Class sub (ARII 1:700 scale), maybe something else down the road.

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:15 AM

I do (very mildly) disagree with Hans in that I do not think it should have been the FIRST Clancy book to be made into a movie.

I only said that because it was, A: Far and away my favorite of all the Clancy works, and TWO: That it would have been better to do it while the Cold War was still happening ang the USSR was still in existance.... There's a big part of the potental audience that doesn't know what either the Cold War or the USSR is, since it (RSR) took place before they were born, lol.. But I wholeheartedly agree with you that, with modern Computer FX, it could be something that blows away the audience... I'd even shell out the big bucks to go to the theater on this one, something I haven't done since Saving Private Ryan was released. Prior to that, I hadn't been in a theater since Platoon, lol...

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Posted by beav on Sunday, February 6, 2011 2:18 AM

Its funny, you know; Harpoon is actually my favorite video game of all time.  I was playing it this morning.  I killed three soviet carriers in short order with my two carrier air wings.   The scenario was set in the middle east, but there was a definite TU-22 Backfire threat, and they were led in by Bear D's.  Sound familiar?  Anyways, I defeated that threat by forward deploying an E-2C Hawkeye AEW aircraft in the probably direct flight path to my fleet (the computer isn't too bright) and blowing them out of the sky before they could get a good read on my fleet.  Why didn't they do that in the book?

To kill off their surface units, I deployed probably over 60 aircraft armed with harpoon ASMs, I then mimicked the Russian tactic by overloading their short range defense weapons with targets.  Nobody could hope to defend against 40 A-6 Intruders armed with Harpoon 1Cs (that formation in the game carries 160 antiship missiles...hehehe)  First went the Krestas (oddly there was a KGB Kresta III in there too, another Clancy-used unit) followed by some of their AAW ships, then the CGs, CVs, and the CVH.

Anyways, getting off topic here, I'm working to finish off my SP Arty GB build, then I'll be starting my Frisbee.  I'm trying to think of ways to get it look more 'Red Storm Rising-ish'  Maybe I'll add some external hardpoints and some rockeye cluster munitions.  Remember, these kits were designed before people figured out that a stealthy aircraft aren't stealthy when you're carrying several large trashcans underneath.

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Posted by beav on Monday, February 7, 2011 8:02 PM

Alright guys, since everyone else is being so slow with starting, I'll post some pics of the kit prebuild.  For being as old (or older) than I am, I'm impressed.  The molding is clean with no flash, and few seam lines or pin marks on visible parts.  Oddly its been made in black plastic, but thats nothing grey primer can't solve.

That last one appears to have washed out, but I promise all my other pics won't be as terrible...I need a new camera...

The best part of this kit is the 'historical info' section, the little stealth technology whats-its they add in all over the place.  This thing even has technical specifications, pretty good for an aircraft which probably never existed.  Oddly its got the same GE F404 engines the original F117As had, and similar armament.

I'll add in a few of the fun bits from the instructions.  Sensitive information redacted of course.

UNCLASSIFIED

/////////////////////// XX "Helpful Hints" XX \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

(U) The F-19 model has several building options and you should become familiar with them. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 2 Types of canopies are included-one for training flights, the other for "hot" secret missions.  The Testor 1/48 scale F-19 Stealth fighter is based upon years of extensive research.  All specifications were obtained from unrestricted public sources.  Because it is a model only commonly known stealth concepts are shown.  No critical full scale internal componesnts are depicted and no classified systems are disclosed.

///////////////////////XX END XX\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

UNCLASSIFIED

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Posted by beav on Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:00 AM

Hey guys, I don't have my copy of the book around.  I'm pretty sure it goes into some detail about how the Frisbee appeared on the outside.  What I need is color scheme (I'm pretty sure it was flat black like the F117) and if any specific markings or their absence is mentioned by Tommy C.  I've got the fuselage halves glued up and a lot of the seams are filled and sanded with most of the cockpit painted up.  Unfortunately I had a predictable accident with my superglue and that will necessitate more sanding.  I've ordered a UMM scriber tool to add the panel lines which are nonexistant (but shown in the Testor's instructions sheet).  All in all this is a pretty mean looking aircraft, and I wish it were real!

EDIT

Oh yeah, I'm looking at armament options to replace the toylike Maverick guided missiles in the kit; I know that the Frisbees are sent on missions with various air-to-surface weapons; guided and unguided, and some air-to-air weapons.  Anyone remember what these are specifically?  I'm debating display options and an in-flight with weapons bay doors open might be cool.

EDIT2

Heres a picture!

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:43 PM

I just re read the book a couple weeks ago to get myself prepped for this GB. Clancy describes the GB as the kit looks ("churchbell shaped from above" and with"oddly drooping toward teh ground wingtips"). No markings are mentioned but he did describe a black and green camo paint scheme. Ordinance listed as used include Rockeye CBUs, Durandel anti Runway bombs, AIM-9M Sidewinders and the AGM-122 Sidearm (converted AIM-9C).

 

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Posted by beav on Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:11 PM

Awesome.  I think I'll go out and arm it up for when they shot down the IL-38 May.  There are also these neat masks at hobby lobby which provide a neat disruption look that I can use for the green camo.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:05 PM

Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. For the green I would suggest 34092 which was in use on teh "Europe I" scheme prevelant at that time. AIM-9Ms (which are identical to AIM-9Ls in appearance) were the load out for that mission.

 

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Posted by beav on Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:08 PM

What color is that?  Does it match up to any Tam or MM acryls?

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:22 PM

MM Acryl makes it, FS#34092 Euro I Dark Green #4729

 

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Posted by beav on Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:31 PM

Ok, thanks!

The quest for accuracy on a nonexistant aircraft continues!

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Posted by Buffirn on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:02 PM

I just finished rereading RSR.  Now I have way too many ideas for projects.  On the bright side, I have a herd of 1/72 armor that now has a purpose.

 

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Posted by beav on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:12 PM

An alternative "neat idea" would be a bunch of 1/72 or 1/144 soviet vehicles being bombed by a frisbee.  Force Perspective for the win.

For displaying my bird, I think I might see what she looks like vertical with weapons bay open or transitioning to vertical (doing that would require me making up locations for ailerons and cutting them out, and reattaching them)  There are these airfoil/spoiler/airbrake things in the wings, but those alone wouldn't cut it.

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Posted by kg4kpg on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:39 AM

Could you add me to the list please, gonna do the Testors 1/48 F-19 as a two-seater.  Now I have the urge to pull that monster book off the shelf and read it again.  My all-time favorite book.  WOnder if we'll ever see a movie done???

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Posted by kg4kpg on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:09 AM

Hans von Hammer

Ditto... We were still painting stuff in NATO camo as late as 1988/89... New tracks and wheels were coming from depot with the overall Forest Green, and the "Paint by Numbers" sheets were handed out to the OMS's to paint over the green and MERDC-camo'd vehicles.... "My" 1/4-ton (I was an Engineer Battalion NBC NCO  at that time and had a "hack" 1/4 ton of my very own, lol), which was initially assigned to me in MERDC-camo, got a NATO paint job by me personally, as did all the small-wheels (1/4-tons and CUCVs)...  We (the drivers, that is)were given these cockamamee "NATO Paint Kits" that had a paint-gun/trigger assembly that snapped onto a regular rattle-can...

I remember all the paint by numbers sheets.  And I can't speak for other motor pools, but on the M109's we touched up the camo by brush most of the time, so no soft paint lines there.

I read this book when I was in Schweinfurt, 87-89.  I'd read when we were out in the field and get a few minutes of privacy (and daylight) to relax and immerse myself in the story.  How often do you get to be at a place where a story takes place (finctional or not).  When I went to Special Weapons and started trsaining with the little nuke arty sheel, it was easy to imagine lobbing one at the East Germans as they tried to pour through the Fulda Gap. 

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:51 PM

Welcome to the build!  I'm going to be really interested to see the differences in our aircraft.  Are the planes in the book two-seaters?  I can't remember...  I also know its going to be a pain to jam another cockpit in that airframe; its insanely small.  

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:48 PM

Yes, in the book the F-19 is a twin seater.The rear seater is a WSO.

 

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:07 PM

I'm still incredulous as to how a second seat could fit in this airframe that testors/italeri put out...

Of course it would make sense that Tom Clancy wouldn't be working hand in hand with Italeri when he made up his aircraft for the book.  

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Posted by kg4kpg on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:54 PM

So far the only problem I'm having with the second seat is that it is so shallow in that area.  Using the wedge canopy the back-seater with only have a couple small side windows I'll cut out.

Someone was talking about using the Euro Dark Green and black...how would that be applied I wonder???

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:21 PM

A SWAG says something like the Europe I wraparound schemes that were inuse all over teh Air Force at the time. F-4s, A-7s, A-10s, A-37s etc. all had varitions of the scheme.

Monogram made a pretty wazoo looking F-19 kit also.

 

 

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:23 PM

Cool, I can't wait to see it turn out.

My plan is to use a stencil from hobby lobby to create a special disruption pattern.  I'm thinking it'll have a black base coat, very dark grey wavy lines applied kind of like the black lines would on a NATO pattern truck, snakey with a hint of mickey mouse.  Over these will be the stencil.  Its advertising has it being used to create diffusion patterns around a conventional painting to help with depth etc.  It is basically a plastic sheet with random cutouts in strange squiggly shapes.  I'll just shoot the green paint (whatever color I do go with) through this and it will help break up the black paint.  The goal with the three layers is that a forest at night is not black, it has trees and contours.  Hopefully the wavy lines and the diffusion green would help hide it better against this backdrop.  The underwing paint color may or may not be a very dark blue (not mentioned in the book, but hey, it makes some sense, and for all intensive purposes it might as well be black).  I don't like the idea that the plane would have a conventional paint scheme applied in black and green, after all; these planes were supposed to be something special.  

Apparently (according to the military channel, who are known to be unreliable when it comes to the invasion of Poland) the F117 had a really neat night camo, but that was nixed because higher ups thought it would look better in black, no matter that there is no sense in a straight black scheme...

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:45 PM

I would not bank too heavily on that info. Supposedly the black paint used on the F-117 has certain radar absorbing properties. It is not a standard Flat Black.

 

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:58 PM

Stick out tongue gotta love the military channel.  Any chance I could get that paint for my car?

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:11 PM

LOL! Yeah I suppose you could get some from the Lockheed plant here in Burbank.

 

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Posted by kg4kpg on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:37 PM

stikpusher

A SWAG says something like the Europe I wraparound schemes that were inuse all over teh Air Force at the time. F-4s, A-7s, A-10s, A-37s etc. all had varitions of the scheme.

Monogram made a pretty wazoo looking F-19 kit also.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/stikpusher/online%20photos/MonogramF-19BoxArt.jpg

 

 

I just got one of these the other day for I think 8 bucks, maybe 10.  Opened it up and it looks pretty sharp.  Has some room for scratch work to be done.

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:50 PM

That Monogram kit is pretty wild looking, I will have to say though that I adore the looks of the Testor's version, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo awesome.  Its really a shame they aren't (are they? I saw a black helicopter shadowing me the other day...) real.  I may have even thought about joining the air force if they had something that cool looking.

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Posted by kg4kpg on Friday, February 18, 2011 8:05 AM

Okay, got some early cockpit work done.  I used the kit pit for the front and a rear seat from an old Revell F-14 pit for the WSO.  May not fit the technology invisioned for the plane but it was all I had in the spares box.  The only problem I'm having now is a bang seat for the rear as the wheel well makes it very shallow.  I'll just trim most of the bottom off of the seat I use.  Won't show anyway.  For the canopy I masked the frame, drilled out holes all the way around then connected the dots with a #11 blade.  Added a few dots to my fingers and blood drops to the frame as well. :D  I still have to clean it up a little then figure out how to glass it in without tons of clear glue showing in the end.  I have some good, clear plastic to cut for it.

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Posted by beav on Friday, February 18, 2011 10:43 AM

Wow!  Thats looking fantastic!

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Posted by kg4kpg on Monday, February 21, 2011 9:33 AM

Okay, cockpits are done but I had to use two different seats.  The rear just didn't have enough room for a matching seat.  With the WSO in there it doesn't show so much anyway.  I put some weights in the nose even though I don't think it wil need it, and glued the tail pipes in place.  Should be a quick finish now.

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Posted by dupes on Friday, February 25, 2011 7:56 PM

Man, you guys are killing me...one of my favorite books of all time! I'm actually due for a re-read - sure I could come up with a comprehensive list of units while I'm at it (if nobody else has already!)

Next June is PLENTY of time to get something done...subject TBD!

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Posted by dupes on Friday, February 25, 2011 7:58 PM

BTW - that Monogram F-19 looks totally badass! Thought I had at least laid eyes on all of their kits once...that one totally got by. Maybe I can dig one up at the spring shows? Hmmmm.

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Posted by Buffirn on Monday, February 28, 2011 2:25 PM

I got my Oscar II done finally.  It is a simple yet good kit.  No fit problems.  There are only 10 parts without the periscopes. 

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Now, I just need to get to work on the 1/72 scale tanks I have in my stash.

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Posted by Finn on Monday, February 28, 2011 3:44 PM

This is a very interesting thread. I loved the book and read it twice in the nineties.

May I add another couple of combattants to the lineup; I saw that Leopard II was listed. At that point in time at least Norway was still operating the Leopard in its original guise. I know because a good friend of mine managed to turn one 360 degrees sideways when falling down a slope....

We also still had the MG42 as our standard MG. Maybe we still have! I also know that our HV - Home Guard - woud have used MG34 - complete with eagle and swastikas! Those troops would have been the first to see action in case of an invation.

We also uses M-113 with 20mm guns or TOWs.

In the air we were still operating F-5 in bothe single and twin seat configuration beside our F-16.

I found the read a chilling experience...

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Posted by kg4kpg on Friday, March 4, 2011 9:41 PM

Okay, I'm done with my two-seat Frisbee.  Have a look.  Chris

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Posted by dupes on Saturday, March 5, 2011 1:35 PM

Ha haaa, sweet! Going to a couple of shows this month...need to see if I can score one.

Almost done with my RSR read-through. Been taking notes the whole way - man there's a lot of modeling potential in there!

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Posted by JMart on Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:30 AM

Kg- Frisbee looks good! Congrats on the finish.

 

Buff – nice job on the Oscar; those HB kits not too bad and can be had cheap from overseas vendors like LuckyModels.

 

The idea of RSR actually came from a huge Harpoon scenario from Larry Bond, IIRC. Hans – you are right..amazing how many younglings do not even recall the Cold War.  I do hope RSR makes it into a movie, or a mini-series. Larry Bond wrote his own books, the first 2-3 as good as RSR.

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, March 6, 2011 2:04 PM

Nice work Kg4!Yes I really like how you added the rear seat for the WSO.Smile Did you arm it also?

 

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Posted by dupes on Monday, March 7, 2011 10:42 AM

Stikpusher - compared my notes to yours on page 2...you got a couple I missed! Assuming the Ka-25 was inferred at some point (vs specifically mentioned)? Same with a couple of others: the M109 and AH-64.

To be added to the list:

USS Prevail (the minesweeper), MiG-31, Su-27, and ZSU-23.

Interesting that he calls the MiG-25 the "Foxfire" vs Foxbat...also changed Eastport, Maine to Eastpoint, for some reason.

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Posted by autovomatic88 on Monday, March 7, 2011 12:35 PM

So I am thinking about jumping in. I have.... a 1:48 mig 21PF revell. Mig 23S 1/72 Thinking about making a dio with this one. Then 1:350 typhoon, akula, delta IV, Kilo, Alpha. So I am thinking about it. I just finished up a p-51 mustang 1/32. Not too bad for hand painting. Still need to fine tune my approach to model making. Off too decaling. When I get done this will be my first in depth model I have ever made.... Only took 3 years to build. School, job and marriage seems to occupy ones life. 

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:29 PM

I did manage to score a Testors F-19 this weekend (cheeeaaaaap) - no luck on the Monogram Stealth offering, though. Rare Plane Detective was at the show and everything...thought he'd have one for sure.

Looking at picking up some aftermarket for the RoG/Zvezda/DML T-80UD I've got. Thinking it would be pretty appropriate for this GB.

Anyone else still around?

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Posted by autovomatic88 on Thursday, March 31, 2011 3:22 PM

I am still breathing. Sitting in park... I just got the book but I am reading Hunt for Red October at the moment had too. Lol. Then I am thinking about getting an airbrush, compressor and booth. so I am taking my time. I almost bought that model of the 80TU Should of. At the moment I am thinking 1/72 Mig but I might do a Mig 21 in Foil. Start big I guess. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 4, 2011 5:09 PM

The keel was laid on USS Chicago today. I built the hull before work. Next up is seam filling and clean up. I will take and post pics on that tomorrow...Whistling

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 8:29 PM

Major seams cleaned up and recribed lost hull detail. I still need some filler in a few spots but overall the worst is gone...

and a close up of the area that sets Chicago apart from my last Los Angeles Class SSN, USS Dallas- the VLS tubes in the bow

More to follow soon...(eventually)Whistling

 

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Posted by Kugai on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:45 AM

Censored, I'm away for a bit and thought I'd check in and someone else has done the Frisbee I had in mind for this!  Oh, well.

Good job on the 19.  Were the crew names from the book or decals that came with the kit?  ( Just want to know what to expect on the sheet when I do get around to building one, even if it's not for this GB )

I'll try to think of something else to build and come back later.  Too bad that the Russians in the book didn't have a counterpart for the Frisbees ( that I remember, anyway ).  I have the MiG "Ferret" in the stash somewhere that would've worked.

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Posted by JMart on Thursday, April 7, 2011 5:29 PM

nice start Stik; you are a building machine!

I am still a few weeks (and WIPs) from starting this one...

Does anyone know if the

*spolier alert*

 

....  sub Tomahawk attack was done sub-surfaced, surfaced or submerged? I dont have the book anymore... I am talking the scene in which the handful of attack subs bombard a Soviet base with crusie missiles... I want to (attempt to)replicate that scene with a LA class sub, cracking thru some ice... but cannot remember the scene! Super Angry

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:04 PM

That part of the book is done submerged. The subs did not fire thru the ice, but from an open water area at perisccope depth. USS Chicago is one of them.Wink Remember the war was in summertime

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:18 PM

I have just been on a build kick on my days off lately... between all the family duties and obligations... Today was some minor progress. Did some more seam sanding and added putty to fill the low areas on the hull and sail. Tomorrow will get that sanded smooth, attach the sail, some other parts, and probably be ready for initial  painting on Thrusday.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:02 PM

Here is Chicago with all parts attached except masts/scopes and screw. Now all ready for painting.  And of course once painted I need to add a load of SLCMs in the open hatches.

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:37 PM

I sprayed on a coat of hull red on the lower hull today. Getting there...

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:50 PM

Here is USS Chicago's current state:

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:23 PM

and how she looks as of this afternoon with a base coat of Polly Scale Grimy Black

Still have a bit more painting to go on the bow sonar dome before the decals can be applied...

 

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Posted by Buffirn on Friday, April 29, 2011 2:37 PM

That is looking good!  I really like the Polly S Grimy Black.  It answers so many questions for rubber and faded black.

Jim

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 29, 2011 5:56 PM

Yes, I do love those Polly scale colors. My last few subs I used Scale Black which has a bit more bluish hue to it. I just applied some MM Acryl Marine Colors Dark Gray 5D for the fading on the bow sonar dome. Have to do a bit of regular black on the upper portion and she will be ready for gloss coat then decals.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, May 6, 2011 6:53 PM

And here is USS Chicago as of this afternoon. All basic colors applied to the hull. Overall hull is Polly Scale Grimy Black and Model Master Acryl Marine Colors Anti Fouling Red. Lighter "faded" area on bow is MM Acryl Marine Colors Dark Gray 5D, and fresh black area is Tamiya Semi Gloss Black

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, May 22, 2011 10:06 PM

I added the Chicago Bulls logo to the bow. Unfortunately  even with me using Solvaset I was not able to properly center it. I will try to float the log with some Micro Set alter and hopefully be able to center it properly...

 

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Posted by dupes on Monday, May 23, 2011 12:00 PM

For real? They threw a Bulls logo on there? How'd they pull that off?

Also, how big a logo was that? I imagine pretty large.

Nice build!

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, May 23, 2011 1:09 PM

I dont know the "how" of it, but yes, it was for real...

 

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Posted by autovomatic88 on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:59 AM

I read it somewhere. I am not sure where though. When it was in dry dock when the bulls were amazing in 89 and 90's in the Jordan era. One of the workers drew this on the bow with chalk. To so homage to Chicago and there Bulls. 

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Posted by Buffirn on Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:39 PM

Here are the 1/72 tanks that I finally got finished.  I started building them last March and just finished dirtying up the last one Friday night.  I hope you like them.  I still need to build a T-62 and a BMP.  I'd better get to work!

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:16 PM

Oh those are nice! memories!!!Hmm

 

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Posted by cdclukey on Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:38 PM

Woohoo! There are some great builds going on. Thanks for keeping the thread moving.

HMS Trafalgar (and she will be Trafalgar, not Torbay) has a fully assembled hull (photos to follow soon) and will be built with all the scopes, antennae and planes sticking out.

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Posted by cdclukey on Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:49 AM

Hey folks, don't forget that FSM has put up the workbench review for the Academy Reuben James. Looks like it's a great kit.

 

HMS Battleaxe to USS Reuben James: "What the devil is a Reuben James?"

USS Reuben James to HMS Battleaxe: "At least we don't name ships after our mothers-in-law."

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:38 PM

I know that this GB fizzled out quite some time ago, but... I have pulled my USS Chicago off the sidelines and will be finishing her up in the next few weeks... better late than never I suppose.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:12 PM

So in the recent past I finally found some good refernce photos of the VLS tubes and thier colors, so I added the Tomahawks into the tubes and painted them up- different than indicated in the instruction sheet (yeah I know, imagine that with Dragon instructions) I also noticed that the kit VLS tubes are in the wrong configuration compared to a real Los Angeles Class Flight II... we wont go there...

next up was a gloss coat of Future

then I applied the decals earlier in the week here

and I have been working on the scopes/masts

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:47 PM

Man Stik, you're persistent.

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:27 PM

I think procrastination is a more appropriate word here... over 2 years past due...

 

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