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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, August 7, 2011 3:24 AM

I took your advice on the deck. It doesn't look as good as the IPMS winners I posted, but that's to be expected. (If nothing else, I've never anything like this.) I used a razor blade instead of straight edge and aimed the paint right at where the blade angles toward the sharp end: tried to not to touch the deck with the brush at all or just barely. As the shading paint is very thin (probably 70% thinner) it flowed right down into the planks defined by the raised lines. (Didn't notice it before, but the lines are quite irregular. Not state of the art.) I gave it a final dusting with the base coat to tone down the contrast. Actually looks pretty good from about five feet - closer than most people look at my models. An improvement from the base coated deck. And I'm half done in two hours. Using the ultra thin masking tape took one wizard two months. In this case, we will not allow the perfect to get in the way of the good. (I wouldn't make perfect regardless.) Pics below are of the stern deck with shading and the bow without it.

When I get the deck done, I can start assembling the model - it's supposed to be a problem child. I'll be putting in brass masts, windows and PE. And no torpedo nets. Might get it done before Armistice Day.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, August 6, 2011 3:01 PM

Rob - agreed, you did an outstanding job on your armor build (I would have commented sooner, but been waiting to post an update on my current build but have nothing to report just yet).  Great technique(s) of making a monochromatic scheme look very interesting. 

Too bad about shelving the dio idea, but maybe the future will have more options figure wise.  Within a few short years will be the 100th anniversary of the start of the First World War.  I expect, or at least hope some of the more mainstream model companies will bring forth some new kits.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:50 AM

ERNEST, SMEAGOL - Thanks for the comments they are very appreciated.  Will be keeping an eye out for your Whippet.  Still hope to have one myself soon.  Squadron has all their Emhar kits, including the Whippet, on sale for almost half price.  Debating on ordering one.

Rob

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:55 PM

I'm excited about your project. That kit certainly is good enough to use as a basis for any level you want to take it to.

 

Here's a couple of thoughts your post "inspired".

I have a lot of success, at least I think, with painting the planks by hand. I start by painting the whole ting a base color, either a warm gray or a wood tan. If you round up four or five tan colors and put a puddle of each on a palette, then take a good thin pointed brush and a metal straight edge. Just hold the straight edgea 1/4" or so above the deck, and carefully lay down 30' long lines. i do a bunch of one color, then on to the next, and so forth. In less than an hour the deck looks pretty darn good. I've tried the micro tape method once, and I was unsuccessful. I left it on too long and it left residue when removed that was impossible to get rid of. others make it work.

I rig with uni caenis mono. It is only .002, which at 1/350 is a 3/4" cable, pretty realistic. It's so thin that it takes a knot very nicely.

You have a nice stash. You will like the CA-38. It has really classic lines too.

 

Best of luck,

 

Bill

 

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:29 AM

WingNut

If you don't mind, I would like to like to withdraw my Emher tank and replace it with the ICM Konig kit. I'll give general impressions and if there's any interest I'll add some WIP. No problem either way but it was ship time for me. I try to cycle plane, tank and ship. In practice because ships take a little longer they might slighted in the sequence. The result, no doubt, will mean I won't get any good at any of them, but each allows some neat history tripping and that's important to my modeling.

 

The Kit:

ICM is a Ukranian company that has gotten some fine notices on recent efforts. This kit doesn't quite qualify, coming out in 2000. There are about 500 parts and it is pretty complex. It has gotten decent notices at Model Warship because the people there are remarkably good and like model warships. And it is a styrene 350 scale WWI German Battleship. (Why not British? Who knows, but winners don't get modeled often - see the absence of CV-6 Enterprise in 350: we're talking the most successful warship in world history. Zvezda: the Russian great hope, is coming out with Dreadnaught, a ship with a very famous name and no operational achievements. It is, however, a WWI battleship. Odd that the warships of the late 19th and very early 20th century are better represented than those of the First World War.)  If one searches closely you can find horror stories about the kit's bad fits on mission critical components. I've never done a 350 and have a Hasegawa Mikasa & Yukikase, a Dragon Laffey, an Academy Graf Spee, a Tamiya Fletcher and a Trumpeter San Francisco in that scale. I thought I'd start with an old ICM. For reasons known only to the Creator half of my kits have been made in Eastern Europe and each has had its own special adventure: I am expecting more. The kit appears to be nicely molded and preliminary dry fits are okay. There's also a lot of excess plastic sticking around in all sorts of places.

Extras: I have White Ensign's PE set and some metal barrels for the main guns (inbound). The PE is actually fairly easy (if you think rails and ladders are easy) unless you walk the extra mile and then they become insane. For this kit I will be using Tamiya paints. I cycle paint types too, and have grown very fond of artist acrylics and mediums and other water based paints like Vallejo. But I've got Tamiya bottles galore and its time to use them. So far they are a delight.

I know there are gents out there that don't like ships. I do. Anyone that doesn't like a battleship is probably a tree hugger. I won't say that ships are harder than other models - a master modeler can making anything both complex and easy. However, for mortals, ships do pose some special problems. First, more than armor, ships are modular. Ship fans know this and thus ignore the "play by play" found in the instructions. ICM's instructions are ok (I much prefer crude to incorrect) but like most ships they will help you construct the kit in an orderly manner and leave you in a very bad way if you decide to paint the kit. But as we all know, painting modules will leave problems here and there to fix later. The better you plan the attack the less fixing will be required. The ship model heroes take this granted while the mortals find out the hard way.

You're hit with four problems that don't lend themselves to easy solution. First is the deck. Konig has a wooden deck. Unless you really love masking, you will paint the deck early. But how to modulate the color of a 28" long deck? ICM has raised planking (all my more modern kits are recessed). To get a helter-skelter shading you could make do with pastels etc or irregular colored areas. Or you could try to mask each plank individually with graphic tape (1/32" wide) and paint the deck three or four different colors. Or you can try to color the raised planks with a kind of wash and hope the lines keep the colors in-line. Haven't made up my mind, but that will be one of the first decisions. A good deck could make or break the kit. (I did come up with a cracker-jack base coat made of Tamiya deck tan, buff, white and flesh.)

Ships will probably need some kind of surgery. A guy from the Fatherland last week discovered that the ICM kit has funnels slightly too thick and they cramp the mid-turret. He has a good solution: cut everything above the deck in half and reassemble. Hmmm....or move the mid-turret to an angle and nobody will notice. (I chose option B.) The bridge will need a gash sawed out and some stock inserted to emulate an open bridge: that can be managed. (And if one manages it, you could put in some PE bridge instruments that will invisible no matter what.) Masts are a question. Even a large ship in 350 has very fragile top masts. Some folk live with a fragile universe. Some replace them with brass. I think I'll do that.

A ship must be rigged. But with what? Stretched sprue would work great if you kept plastic masts: it's a little less ideal with metal masts because something like Tamiya cement is out. CA or PVA. (Same problem comes up with railing.) Konig will need a fair amount of rigging. I'm thinking of mono, but sprue does work. And maybe some very thin wire for some stuff. We'll see. One build option is a no-brainer. If I wanted Konig to be in her Jutland configuration it would need a different mast (bought one from WEM) and a torpedo net. After examining the PE (over 100 davits the size of an ant's eyeball to support two shelves for the nets which you have to build yourself) it was obvious that I'll go for the post-Jutland version that did away with the nets completely. I seriously think that it would double the build time to assemble and rig the torpedo nets. Hardly worth it for devices that proved worthless in the war.

Weathering. Ship modeling presents the modeler with a problem without an obvious solution. Most people on this board model military subjects. A cursory look at photos or the real deal shows that military subjects show wear in a way that my Honda Accord does not. If you're looking at a weapon used in war, the more the harsh conditions will show up. (Throw grenades my way if you like, but I think most models even done by gents far more talented than yours truly are under weathered. Obviously one can postulate conditions that this would not be true. But if you want to model something that's been in the "thick of it", it's going to show.) But models are also display objects. It is tempting and possibly historically appropriate, to model something out the factory door. (If I ever do a Pea Shooter it will be gloss and almost no weathering.) Recently my roommate and I drove back from St. Paul to Berkeley. We drove into a small town that had a M-48 tank in the park. Although the beast was about 100 feet away, I had to point it out: maybe she's more used to tanks than I think. (Always surprising how many secrets exist inside a long marriage.) Anyway, you don't have a tank at most gas stations and I pointed it out. Her comment - "It's cleaner than yours." She was referring to my last effort - a very heavily weathered KV-2. She was right natch (natch) but the tank in Idaho hadn't come from the battle of Moscow. So the problem is making a nice display object or something that represents weapons in battle. When you spend weeks (or several months by the hard core) this problem is tripled. A WWI battleship is a very pretty ship, and at 350 scale it's big enough for people to see it. It is so tempting to follow the path of many ship modelers and do a "commission day" model. At fifteen feet away, where most people will see it, it would look great. But it wouldn't look like Konig in 1917. Under-weather the kit and it will look better. Be true to history and it's going to look pretty shabby. We'll see.

Eric

Below are the basics of the kit and how real decks look and are modeled: more to follow:

 

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:02 PM

How did I miss that?  Panzerwaffe, that Tank is a beaute!

 

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Posted by bufflehead on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:58 PM

PANZERWAFFE

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Rob - WOW!  What a great looking Mark IV Male!! YesYes  You really knocked one out of the park with this Great War steel beast!  I love your paint job and weathering....everything is first rate!  Now I have something to aspire to when I work on my Emhar Whippet a little bit later! Big Smile

wing_nut - I'm still here, haven't forgotten about the GB!  I have to finish up a couple of existing GB before I jump into this one!  Give me at least another month before you start seeing some WIP photos from me!Whistling

Ernest

Last Armor Build - 1/35 Dragon M-26A1, 1/35 Emhar Mk.IV Female

     

Last Aircraft Builds - Hobby Boss 1/72 F4F Wildcat & FW-190A8

     

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Posted by STFD637 on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 8:21 AM

Lets try this again!

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:00 AM

Can't see the pics Travis.

Marc  

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Posted by STFD637 on Monday, July 25, 2011 6:54 PM

Hey guys,

Wow I have been following this build as much as I can but the pages got built up quick. I have been hammering away at my other GB, but I did take some time out to get one of these little guys done. One quick correction 2 of my kits are Encore and not Roden.

This is the Dr. 1 from Encore. It was one of the econo kits I got from squadron for $4...I think. So far it has been fun. Little tweaks here and there. The detail for this little guy is amazing. I will let the pics show that. The hardest problem I had was matching the colors up. I went with a Tamiya RLM grey for upper surfaces and cockpit (minus the floor board and seat). I am going to us Tamiya light blue for underside of wings. After it is all togethter I will the "Streaks" with some Gunze RLM greens. Hope it all works. This is my first WWI kit.

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The wood is done with Vallejo paints. They actually worked great. Still working. More pics to come!

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:24 PM

MARC - Your comments are always greatly appriciated. great group build, I will be checking in to see the progress of the other builds. If I'm able to get my hands on a Whippet I may just put it in before the GB ends. 

WAIKONG - Thanks for your comments, you still have the best prop I've seen!

TD4438 - Thanks for the comments!

Rob

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Posted by TD4438 on Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:20 PM

Nice job on the Mk.I PW.

An excellant rendition of the Emden,bondoman. Toast The Iron Duke would be more than happy to sink her! Big Smile

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Posted by waikong on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:11 PM

Bondman, ships from that era - late 1890's to 1910 is so fascinating, good looking build.

PW, outstanding painting/weathering job! I wished that have one of those in 1/48.

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:50 PM

BMan that really looks great.  Not much of a ship guy bot I really am looking forward to the finale on that bad boy.

 

PW... real sorry to hear things are rough.  Hope it's not health related.  But glad to hear it's getting better.  That is one hell of a build. Really beautiful.

Marc  

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:35 PM

Hello everyone,

Please excuse my absence, it has been a really rough time here lately but things are starting to slowly get better.  Have not been able to get to the bench or even on line in awhile.  Have just put my workbench back togther and still have to reassemble my spray booth.

Anyway,  what GREAT work everyone has been doing!

TD, BONDOMAN - Iron Duke and the Emden are very nicely done.  Looking forward for the rest of the fleet to arrive.

WAIKONG - Very sharp looking DR1.  I believe that may be the best prop I've ever seen!

DOOGS, WINGNUT - What can I say....both of your builds are outstanding!  Really fine work all around!

Here is the finished update for the MK IV Male.  Originally had plans on putting it on a scene crossing a muddy trench but due to a sudden limitation of space that will have to happen at some other time.  So here she is.

 

Rob

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:46 PM

There's some great modeling going on here. I'm getting interested in the subject and have been doing a lot of reading abt the naval campaigns.

 

The Emden: this kit is everything it's reputed to be. I've only added the WEM PE set. I do plan to scratch build the 4.1 inch guns and shields, the only part of the kit that's a little sub par.

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:27 PM

OK lets keep the activity rolloing...

Jack nice work on that interior. And in 1/72 no less.  I took your recommendation and got the guy with the shovel from Model Victoria in Italy.  A beautiful casting.

 

I am having a go at making wood props.  Below if the 1st attempt with 3 plys of mahogany and basswood.  To the left is a 5 ply blank for #2 and the next pic is that one sanded to the outline and with the side view curve sanded in.  next will be the airfoil.

I have not decided whether to use this next detail on the last D.Va or a future build.  The little cups for the anemometer were too small and broken off anyway so I made new larger ones out of lead foil.

 

Marc  

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, July 18, 2011 6:08 PM

Hello Marc and everyone...

All quiet on the Fokker Dr1 front for the past couple weeks or so.  Like many parts of North America there is a heat wave here.  No ac means curtains drawn and lights out, so not ideal modelling conditions, specially for 1/72 scale. 

The cockpit is done, but getting it to fit created extra work - got a bit careless with the dremel tool.  Even at low speed broke through the surface in a few areas and have a few "melted" spots to patch up.  Right now am waiting for some 0.7mm brass tube that will be used for carb intake pipes located on both sides of the fuselage.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by telsono on Monday, July 18, 2011 12:23 PM

I came back from a week long vacation, but have gotten some work done. I should have photo's by the end of the week. The Harry Tate's (RE 8) fuselage is closed and painted, the horizontal stabilizer is afixed as well as the lower wings. As soon as I blend in the tabs (white metal) from the wings into the fuselage, I'll take some pictures.

The roden Tripe has had a bit of progress as well. Its a nice kit to work on. The simple seat bothers me, a good wicker seat would be nice, but I'll probably just keep it. . I'll present pix's of both.

Mike T.

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, July 18, 2011 6:14 AM

Great, looking froward to the update.

Marc  

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Monday, July 18, 2011 1:02 AM

I have been building the upper wing this last week. Have the center section mostly done.  The 2 outer sections are laminated and set with one sanded to airfoil shape.  The other side is still just the laminated evergreen. Will have photos and explanations when I get the wing finished.

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:01 PM

Very quiet in here. Just because I am a lousy moderatorWhistling and haven't been spending much time in my own GB doesn't mean you guys shouldn't be tinkering away.

 

But... I just finished my G40 bulldozer over in armer and will be starting on the WNW Roland soon. 

Marc  

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Posted by telsono on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:17 PM

Marc - thanks for the comment on my Harry Tate. One of the things that this kit had missing was the camera window on the bottom of the fuselage. I added the cut into the fuselage and will use some clear plastic to cover it later. The fuselage is closed up now, photo's will come late, as I just got home from vacation yesterday. The Sopwith Tripe is going along well, not that much problems so far with it.

Mike T.

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Do not fear mistakes. You will know failure. Continue to reach out. - Ben Franklin

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:03 PM

I see then now.

Marc  

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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:30 AM

I see the pics fine.

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Saturday, July 9, 2011 9:06 PM

Not sure why you can't see the photos.  I double checked the photobucket account and the album is set for public. It does work for me as well, and I know that it is pulling the pics from the bucket account.  You might check your settings in your browser.  Other than that not sure why it isn't getting the photo's other than occasionally 'bucket doesn't seem to work correctly, as in the site is down.  Ran into that once myself.

If you still have problems send me a PM and I will send the pics via e-mail.

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, July 9, 2011 11:55 AM

STV... yup just saw the a couple of weeks ago.  Did the have plastic kits then?

 

HE... getting red X's for the pics.  

Marc  

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Saturday, July 9, 2011 1:14 AM

I have a little more update on the Hannover build.

As you may remember I managed to really bugger up the upper wing in my "De-warping" experiments.

Yup pretty well shot!  Bang Head

So I decided that since I have some decent tools I can make a wing.  Part of the process should use the very same tool that messed the wing up (more experiments with success but more on that later)

Needed to lay out and figure out the sizes needed etc.  This particular plane has quite a curve to the airfoil and so I will make the form and then heat and laminate several layers of evergreen to get the basic shape.

So far, so good, now to make the form.

In spite of the minor goof up, it went quite fast and smooth.  Very little sanding was needed to smooth the surface and it stayed straight length wise and the curve is very consistent.  I didn't need a form the length of the wing. I only needed a form long enough to do the 3 separate sections.  I will start with the easiest center section first to get the procedure figured out, then I will do the 2 side sections.

More next time.  Toast

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, July 8, 2011 12:02 PM

Hey, dunno if you guys saw it or not, but I thought it was a cool little bit that fit here.  I just got back from vacation, while there I watched 'The King's Speach'  At one point the speach therapist guy helped the king of England (just before WWII) to do his exercises to help his stuttering by letting him work on the Bi-plane model his son was working on when he would do what he was told. 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, July 7, 2011 4:01 PM

Mike, real nice start on the Harry Tate

Looks like hat was a good trip to the museum and a beautiful restoration on the bench.

Marc  

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