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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:12 PM

Tal Afar Dave

Don Hammerini,

I am a late comer to this post, and am not really sure what a group build consists of.......may I be so bold as to request an under the wire admittance to this prestigious undertaking?  Just started getting back into the hobby after a long hiatus, and had started a few of my older Monogram kits.  These are the kits I just started working on:  F/A 18 C "Blue Angels," F/A 18 C "Chippy Ho" (missing directions.....any suggestions?) and possibly the P39 Aircobra or the most recent pop of the P38.

Just got on the boards tonight and found this group build; thought it would be a great way to get back into the swing of things and relearn the lost art of model building.  

 

Many Thanks,

Dave W. 

Welcome to the build and to the forums, Dave!  Boy, did YOU ever pick a way to pop a Group Build Cherry! Anyway, Group Builds are simply what they appear to be.. A group of modelers that are building kits with a common theme or standard, with a start date and end date for the completion of the kit(s)...  When you get done (or just joining up sometimes) you can then put the group build badge into your signature and let the whole world know that you don't get out much and have a lot of time on your hands, lol...

Just pick your kits and declare, I'll put you on the roster on page one, and you goit si months to finish up a minimum of TWO Monogram kits... Make sure you check with someone though, if you ain't sure if your kit choice is kosher for the build..

This one has some limitations, such as having to be Monogram kits that were first released prior to the Monogram/Revell merger in 1986... A lot of Revell kits are eligable though,since they only changed the boxes and not the kits... But then, many aren't, as you can see from my last post...

Anyway, as long as you declare your intent and get it in by midnight, you're good to go, and that's what you got... So if there are any issues, we'll talk through them.. You're in... 

Dunno about the Hornets, but they have to be pre-merger, meaning that they had to be Monogram kits with a copyright date of 1985 or earlier... One of the jet guys can sound off about it...

I'll put you down for the P-39 and P-38J though... If you want to do four kits, I'll just give you a double "TBA" slot for now... 

 

 

 

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:15 PM

Sorry Hutch... The 109's a NO-GO too... The ONLY 1/32 aircraft kits that are originallly Monogram's are:

F-51D Mustang

Phantom Mustang

Piper Tri-Pacer

F3F- Flying Barrel

Grumman Gulfhawk (civilian F3F)

 I put you in with the F-86 and a "TBA" though, so your slot's safe...

 

 

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:21 PM

Tal Afar Dave

The newbie again......also thinking about the first 'white box' version of Gabrieski's P47D or the more recent kit that includes the small fret of PE, pre-merger I believe and same kit as initial offering in mid 70s.......

Gotta love the old Monogram kits; with a little love and TLC, they still hold their own.  Does Revell make any kits in the USA anymore????

 

DW

As far as I know, Revell Germany in't actually Revell... They aren't part of Revell USA... But then, a lot of my Revellograms say "Made in China"...

As for the P-47, either of those will do...  The white box is the 70's release... The "High Tech" Jug is ok too, even though it's post-merger, 99.9% of it is pre-merger...

 

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Posted by hutchdh on Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:25 PM

Hans von Hammer

Sorry Hutch... The 109's a NO-GO too... The ONLY 1/32 aircraft kits that are originallly Monogram's are:

F-51D Mustang

Phantom Mustang

Piper Tri-Pacer

F3F- Flying Barrel

Grumman Gulfhawk (civilian F3F)

 I put you in with the F-86 and a "TBA" though, so your slot's safe...

 

 

 

Hmmmmm...guess I'll have to look in the back of the stash for something else....I've blown through most of my other Monogram stuff..

Hutch

 On the Bench: 1:48 HobbyBoss Ta152-C; 1:48 & 1:72 Hasegawa F-104G NATO Bavaria

In queue: 1:48 Academy F-4B & a TBD Eric Hartmann bird

Recently completed: 1:32 Trumpeter P-51B

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:44 PM

OK, cockpits are done paint wise...now to get them installed...Hmm

F-86

F9F

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 PM

Hmmmmm...guess I'll have to look in the back of the stash for something else....I've blown through most of my other Monogram stuff..

No sweat.. Like I said, your slot's locked in, so you got some time...  A lot of Revell's current 1/48th stuff is ex-Monogram. That's to say, Revell, not Revell-Germany, however.. Chances are, if it's in a dark blue box, it's a NO-GO... 

Also, dunno if you caught my post about "Monogram Classics"... But some are in boxes with the classic Monogram box art, but are NOT pre-merger Monogram molds... Like the "Monogram Classic P-51B"... It's a "Blue Box", but it's a reproduction, as it were... The model itself is the new-tooling P-51B/C, and not the Jim Howard "Ding Hao!" kit from the 60s, although the decals for it are in there...   So you CAN build Jim Howard's P-51B, you just can't build his "Classic" P-51B...

Kinda pizzed me off... I don't usually get caught like that, lol...  Stickin' to "White-box"...

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM

Sweet work on the panels, Stik-man... Hammer likey..

 

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:11 PM

Ok, sounds great.......looking forward to it! I've been collecting decals and references for awhile; love those WWII fighters by Monogram. Just cracked the vintage 70s cellophane, and gagged at the smell of the stagnant box air! lol......but, inside, there was one of those tri-fold catalogue of Monogram's kits. Will have to post a pic for old times sake!  Will probably tack on a P-47 as well......looking forward to it!

 

DW

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:16 PM

Awesome Len, thanks so much for the info!!  

 

Dave W.

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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Posted by lewbud on Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:37 PM

Some vintage divine scale plastic for ya'll to peruse.

F7F on/off the runners and the wings are glued together to start things off.

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 The same for the F8F.

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 As I'm building the F-82 for the Night Fighter GB, I'll add it to the roster as well.  Will post pics of it when I start her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by The Navigator on Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:31 PM

Hi Hans, longtime lurker here and decided to do 1st GB. So can I sneak in under the wire with the 1/72 Bf-110 and 1/48 F8 Crusader? If all goes well, I may throw in a car or 2 as well. 

Thanks,

Mike

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:46 PM

Sure thing, Nav... I'll lock in your slot... Way to pop the GB Cherry..

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Posted by swingr1121 on Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:49 PM

WOW!  I'm gone for a little while and this place just explodes with stuff!  Builds are looking great everyone!  I just had to show some proof that I've done something to "start" before the deadline.  It's not much, but at least it's something, right?

 

Just started some shading on the interior of the B-25 and the P-40.  Also, started to add some ballast to the -25 so she's not a tail sitter and filled that nasty hole in the seat of the -40.  Enjoy!

 

 

Mike

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:55 PM

Hey, Hammer!!  Do you think you should post the completed pic on the front page?  It would make it easier for people to see how awesome the Monogram kits can be without having to slowly shuffle through all the posts. 

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:57 PM

Wow... We got 37 would-be Mafiagrams on this build, and one earner who got "made" before the cut-off date for a total of 38... 

Wonder how close that sits for a member-participation record? 'Course, it's about number that FINISHES this build, not who signs up for it...

 

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:59 PM

Would a better comparison would be percentage who finish a build?

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Posted by The Navigator on Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:02 PM

Don Hammer, I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your group build... on the day of its beginning. And I hope the first kit is a masculine kit. I pledge my ever-ending loyalty.

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:04 PM

CallSignOWL

Would a better comparison would be percentage who finish a build?

Don't Smeagol me, Owl...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:06 PM

You're welcome, Nav... Just consider it a favor I was happy to do for you, and that I may, one day, ask you for a favor...

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:09 PM

Hans von Hammer

 

 CallSignOWL:

 

Would a better comparison would be percentage who finish a build?

 

 

Don't Smeagol me, Owl...

 

I wouldnt dare, my precioussssss

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Posted by kermit on Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:17 PM

Don Hammerloni,

As i told you guys already the B25 is a no go as i seemed to have misplaced a complete fuselage half to the carpetmonster somehow (Tongue Tied dont ask...still wondering myself)... I am also a bit tight this month so my second build should be something  from my stash...

Could you, if i may be so bold as to request this big favor, put me down for the Monogram 1/48 black box Mig15? Picked it up at the online LHS for only 9.95 but it's a great kit to build. Bit outdated but still looking good when finished

You have six months to complete both builds from the day you started build one right?

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:48 PM

Sure Kermit... Must be one helluva deep pile carpet.. Yeah, you got six months from the start-date of the first build you start, or the 31st of March, whichever comes first... In your case, six months from the day you started your F-82..

Now, for the favor.. One Monogram MiG-15...There.. It is done..  Your favor has happily been taken care of... You know the rest...

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:54 PM

I glued the cowl together on the f11-,c and the spats and wheels together on the  P-6e, so that makes four started.

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Posted by the real red baron on Friday, April 1, 2011 4:03 AM

boy i wish i could participate in this group build one problem my LHS doesnt stock monogram kits

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 1, 2011 7:41 AM

the real red baron

boy i wish i could participate in this group build one problem my LHS doesnt stock monogram kits

Unheard of, in my experience...

I guess I may have to see what the owner/manager is thinking and help him see his way clear to increase his inventory of manufacturers... Am I to understand that he stocks NO 1/48 Revell aircrraft kits that are ex-Monogram kits? 1/24 cars? Ships? Armor? Sci-Fi?  I find it difficult to believe that there isn't a single Monogram/Ex-Monogram kit in the entire store, in any genre...  Too bad you missed this one Red... Woulda been both fun and helpful for you...

It would be.. unfortunate, were something to happen to that place...   We'll just have to make him an offer he can't refuse...

But, all is not lost.. You can get plenty of Monogram kits on-line, both in on-line shops, and Ebay... In fact, I get most of my Monogram stuff via Ebay.. so don't give up hope.. If this build turns out to be a successful one, it WILL happen again, and you can take your shot then... Meanwhile, start praticing your scratch-building ideas... The easiest scratch-built part to make is a radio antenna, both the suspended-type, and whip antennas... Well, technically, it's "Thermo-forming", which also sounds better than "Sprue Stretching", lol..

From there, you can easily move to slightly more difficult tasks, making  seats, instrument panels, intake gates, vanes and screens, etc... The sky's the limit... I HIGHLY recommend that you try and find a copy of How to Build Dioramas by Shapard Paine.  Shep built the absolutely incredible dioramas for Monogram, using theor kits and many of their figures too,  back in the 70s.  You can view some of his incredible work here:

http://sheperdpaine.atspace.com/index.htm

And:

http://sheperdpaine.com/monogram/index.htm

Untill you are able to get a copy of the book,  you'll find many useful tips & tricks there, in the diorama tip sheets that used to come with the models ranging from scratch-building to figure conversion & painting, washes, dry-brushng, resin/plaster parts-casting, vacuum-forming, etc., and each sheet has tips that, while being in a armor dio, carry over into the other genres as well.. 

Before I got the book, I used the tip sheets every build (even if the build I was on wasn't a Monogram kit), and that's what started me on the path to becoming what I'd call a "serious" modeler (for lack of a better term) and "Gizmologist/Imagineer"... Print those tip sheets out if you can, too...

IMNSHO, Shep's book is the "Modeler's Bible"... Thousands of modelers my age got their start because of Shep's work for Monogram, and that's the time-frame, when I was about your age,13 and just kept going... The firecrackers finally were relegated back to only being used for Independence Day and New Year's Eve... Started winning awards at competions too, with my first 2nd Place win, along about a year later in 1973, lol..... Wink  Bought the book first edition) in 1977, I think... 

 I don't have it anymore, but I do have a copy of the Second Edition I bought a couple years ago to replace it, and still use it... Why attempt to commit all that stuff to memory when a book is better anyway...  There are used copies of both editions on the 'net, at AmazonDOT com, and at  also at Barnes & Noble DOT com as well as "our" own Kalmbach Publishing here at FSM... But the used copies are a lot cheaper, lol... (Sorry Aaron/Matt/Mark/Megan, et al ...  It's nothin' personal, ya know... It's just business...

I gotta help the kid save a few bucks in order for him to be able to... *snap*  buy a subcription to FSM... Yeah, that's it... That'l work.... A subscription...) Again, It's just business, not personal...

 

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 1, 2011 7:44 AM

bondoman

I glued the cowl together on the f11-,c and the spats and wheels together on the  P-6e, so that makes four started.

Updating now, B-Man... Looking forward to seeing your stuff as I haven't built those kits since they were on the shelf at the drugstore back in around 1968... Right next to the .19-cent 1/4 oz bottles of Testor's and Practa 'Namel...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 1, 2011 7:49 AM

That done... Now. The hard part...

Gentlemen and Lady Owl..

 I regret to inform ya'll that I'm dropping out...  I bit off more than I can chew with this build, and I just continue to monitor the group, from afar...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 1, 2011 7:49 AM

APRIL FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Friday, April 1, 2011 7:58 AM

haha, verry funny Hammer! You totally got me on that one!  Hmm

 

And I think one of the reasons RRB cant get Monogram at his LHS is the same reason my LHS doesn't stock Airfix kits.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 1, 2011 8:07 AM

haha, verry funny Hammer! You totally got me on that one!

As for Red, he lives in Australia, which I I just found out... Didn't know that until I read a post from him in DoogATX's GB thread... That might be the main issue, when Monogram kits are imports, lol..

Fill out those damn profiles, folks! Well... at least add a location so we don't waste time explaining how to get a kit or paint or whatever, and then find out y'all aren't even the same hemisphere...

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