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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:14 AM

jgeratic1

The masks were created from regular hardware store tape (beige colour) using Checkmate's method - laying strips of tape across a sheet of wax paper followed by taping printouts of the camou onto this and trimming.  That was another thing, peeling the wax paper off was a chore to get a corner started, and many times it would rip.

Same type of tape was used on the canopy, but definitely need to find something better as it tends to leave frayed edges on close inspection.  Next aircraft project will try some Tamiya tape.

regards,

Jack

Yeah, Tamiya tape is a lot more workable IMO than masking tape. I used the wax paper/tape/printout method when I was masking the bluenose on my P-51, and honestly I had exactly the opposite problem with the wax paper...it kept not sticking and wanting to slide out!

Also found that a good, sharp pair of scissors tends to make more natural cuts, especially round ones, than an xacto - or maybe that's just me.

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Posted by jbrady on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:48 PM

All shiny and ready for decals.

I tried using silly putty... well actually I couldn't find silly putty so I used something called "color putty" same thing I think. I found it tended to fill up the panel lines and had to be cleaned up. Thought of tracing paper but couldn't find any in this backward town. My brain never did go to wax paper. The last Spitfire I did I didn't use a mask. I used pinstriping tape. That was with my Badger 150 but I had to order a new needle for that. on this one I had to use my Badger 200 and didn't think I had enough control to go free hand... so the mask. I think the free hand came out fine.

   

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:39 PM

Prying the masking tape off the wax paper can be a challenge.  It you can't get a corner to lift, I've found that if you stick the scissors' point through just the wax paper, and pry it up, you can eventually cut through it to an edge, and then get a good grip to pull the rest off.  Some care is needed, since the wax paper can be prone to tearing.

And, like Doogs, I cut the masks with scissors, rather than a knife--the curved manicure type.

Thanks for the testimonial, Jack.  Great results on the Spitfire.  I like the light blue undersides.

Nice looking Spitfire, jbrady.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Casper the Chihuahua on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:57 PM

I've just found the weirdest thing. I was looking through the box for my upcoming 1/32 Mk.VIII Tamiya Spit and I noticed there are no dials printed on the IP decals in the kit even though they are clearly marked in the instructions.

Doogs, you built this kit. Were your intact?

Cheers

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:30 PM

Casper the Chihuahua

I've just found the weirdest thing. I was looking through the box for my upcoming 1/32 Mk.VIII Tamiya Spit and I noticed there are no dials printed on the IP decals in the kit even though they are clearly marked in the instructions.

Doogs, you built this kit. Were your intact?

Cheers

I'm not 100% certain since I used the Eduard IP, BUT I believe the way it works is that the gauge detail is actually printed on the back of the decals. So...wet them, apply them to the smooth side of the clear pieces, insert opposite side through instrument panel and you should be able to see the gauges through the clear "pegs".

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:47 AM

jbrady - you are quick, looks like you'll have another one done while I'm still on my first.

I'm not all that well familiar with American marked Spits, but the fuselage band looks narrow compared to how the RAF wore them.  Is this how your reference portrays it? 

regards,

Jack

 

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Posted by Casper the Chihuahua on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:03 AM

DoogsATX

 

 Casper the Chihuahua:

 

I've just found the weirdest thing. I was looking through the box for my upcoming 1/32 Mk.VIII Tamiya Spit and I noticed there are no dials printed on the IP decals in the kit even though they are clearly marked in the instructions.

Doogs, you built this kit. Were your intact?

Cheers

 

 

I'm not 100% certain since I used the Eduard IP, BUT I believe the way it works is that the gauge detail is actually printed on the back of the decals. So...wet them, apply them to the smooth side of the clear pieces, insert opposite side through instrument panel and you should be able to see the gauges through the clear "pegs".

Hey Doogs, yes I had another look at the instructions and the decals go on in reverse. So the detail must be obscured on the backing sheet. Thanks for that. I was thinking about getting the Eduard PE set but I think with the extra resin pieces I got it won't really be necessary.

Cheers

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Posted by jbrady on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:58 PM

Weathering and final bit should start tonight... love the markings of the 4th Group Spitfires.

   

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:24 PM

jbrady

Weathering and final bit should start tonight... love the markings of the 4th Group Spitfires.

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee442/jbrady29/Spitfire%20Mk%20V/IMG_0847.jpg

Ditto. To be honest, I think I prefer the US markings on mid-production Spits (V, VIII, IX) to their RAF counterparts. More variety, and the star just fits.

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Posted by jbrady on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:33 PM

jgeratic1

jbrady - you are quick, looks like you'll have another one done while I'm still on my first.

I'm not all that well familiar with American marked Spits, but the fuselage band looks narrow compared to how the RAF wore them.  Is this how your reference portrays it? 

regards,

Jack

 

No it's too narrow. Just got lazy and didn't feel like remarking it.

   

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Posted by jbrady on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:42 PM

DoogsATX

 jbrady:

Weathering and final bit should start tonight... love the markings of the 4th Group Spitfires.

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee442/jbrady29/Spitfire%20Mk%20V/IMG_0847.jpg

 

Ditto. To be honest, I think I prefer the US markings on mid-production Spits (V, VIII, IX) to their RAF counterparts. More variety, and the star just fits.

Not sure if you know this... the yellow surround on the fuselage is actually the outer yellow from the British markings. They painted the American cocarde over the roundel when the Eagle Squadrons were absorbed into Eighth Airforce. Since the American markings were smaller than the British they were left with the surround. The cocarde on the wings were the smae size as the British markings so no yellow surround.

   

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Posted by jbrady on Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:00 PM

I'm calling this one done... it's not perfect but it looks good on the shelf.

Captain Leroy Gover 4th Group 336 Squadron "Top Hat" October 1942

   

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Posted by ww2psycho on Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:05 PM

Wow I really like that! Amazing job!

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:16 PM

Nice job!

John

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, January 13, 2012 6:48 AM

jbrady let me commend you on a really outstanding Spit. That is some absolutely fine work. Thank You for sharing your build with us.

                                                              Joe

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, January 13, 2012 6:58 AM

Yes Nicely done jbrady!

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, January 13, 2012 5:28 PM

jbrady - another sweet build and nice crisp photos.  Toast

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, January 16, 2012 12:06 AM

This should by my final update for building.  Just waiting for tomorrow to get some daylight shots for the completed photos.  So here are last bit details done over the weekend.

A new pitot tube was required - lost the original when the paint was stripped.  Old Airwaves set to the rescue.  At the top end I left the tab from the attachement point on the PE fret and glue a section of 1.0mm hollow brass tube for better adhesion to the wing.  The whole thing is flat so I cut off the bottom and attached a hollow 0.3mm tube.

For the scuffing on the wing roots I used a light grey pencil crayon followed by a few areas with a silver pencil.

I  was able to drill out a hole in the antenna to pass some light weight EZ line through.  Actually the hole was a bit off center so the bit came through on one side which made it easier to attach the line.  Just had to hook it in place instead of trying to pass it through the hole.

For the patches on the gun ports my plan was to mimic this photo:

Originally was going to use some kind of cellophane sprayed with the appropriate colour but I wasn't able to tear them up to look like in the photos.  The paint would flake off and they also did not stick well.  Tried paper but looked out of scale and tearing the centers out just made a fuzzy mess.

So just painted portions of red on and scraped with the exacto blade to get some sharper looking tears.  Added a bit of thin grey lines to represent the frayed edges of the patches.

regards,

Jack

 

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Posted by ww2psycho on Monday, January 16, 2012 10:28 AM

Very nice job! Cant wait till you get full pics!

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, January 16, 2012 2:42 PM

It's an impressive Spitfire, Jack.  Weathering and wear look very convincing.  I like what you did with the gunports.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 16, 2012 3:05 PM

jgeratic1

This should by my final update for building.  Just waiting for tomorrow to get some daylight shots for the completed photos.  So here are last bit details done over the weekend.

A new pitot tube was required - lost the original when the paint was stripped.  Old Airwaves set to the rescue.  At the top end I left the tab from the attachement point on the PE fret and glue a section of 1.0mm hollow brass tube for better adhesion to the wing.  The whole thing is flat so I cut off the bottom and attached a hollow 0.3mm tube.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109940/23908188/400538555.jpg

For the scuffing on the wing roots I used a light grey pencil crayon followed by a few areas with a silver pencil.

I  was able to drill out a hole in the antenna to pass some light weight EZ line through.  Actually the hole was a bit off center so the bit came through on one side which made it easier to attach the line.  Just had to hook it in place instead of trying to pass it through the hole.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109940/23908188/400538336.jpg

For the patches on the gun ports my plan was to mimic this photo:

http://web.me.com/blairsaam/eBayAuctions/GarageSale_1305368344_39795.jpg

Originally was going to use some kind of cellophane sprayed with the appropriate colour but I wasn't able to tear them up to look like in the photos.  The paint would flake off and they also did not stick well.  Tried paper but looked out of scale and tearing the centers out just made a fuzzy mess.

So just painted portions of red on and scraped with the exacto blade to get some sharper looking tears.  Added a bit of thin grey lines to represent the frayed edges of the patches.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109940/23908188/400538334.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109940/23908188/400538335.jpg

regards,

Jack

Very nice work Jack! Yes

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Posted by Furyan on Monday, January 16, 2012 3:33 PM

jgeratic1

This should by my final update for building.  Just waiting for tomorrow to get some daylight shots for the completed photos.  So here are last bit details done over the weekend.

A new pitot tube was required - lost the original when the paint was stripped.  Old Airwaves set to the rescue.  At the top end I left the tab from the attachement point on the PE fret and glue a section of 1.0mm hollow brass tube for better adhesion to the wing.  The whole thing is flat so I cut off the bottom and attached a hollow 0.3mm tube.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109940/23908188/400538555.jpg

For the scuffing on the wing roots I used a light grey pencil crayon followed by a few areas with a silver pencil.

I  was able to drill out a hole in the antenna to pass some light weight EZ line through.  Actually the hole was a bit off center so the bit came through on one side which made it easier to attach the line.  Just had to hook it in place instead of trying to pass it through the hole.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109940/23908188/400538336.jpg

For the patches on the gun ports my plan was to mimic this photo:

http://web.me.com/blairsaam/eBayAuctions/GarageSale_1305368344_39795.jpg

Originally was going to use some kind of cellophane sprayed with the appropriate colour but I wasn't able to tear them up to look like in the photos.  The paint would flake off and they also did not stick well.  Tried paper but looked out of scale and tearing the centers out just made a fuzzy mess.

So just painted portions of red on and scraped with the exacto blade to get some sharper looking tears.  Added a bit of thin grey lines to represent the frayed edges of the patches.

regards,

Jack

 

 

Wow Jack thats really nice. Love the tip for the sliver pencil, think I might try that on my Hellcat.  hey I notice as well that you lightly paint over the decals.. is this correct or am I seeing things? 

 

Again, nice work _b

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, January 16, 2012 4:12 PM

Furyan - Yes, some areas of the decals were painted over out of necessity.  I did some light sanding to smooth the surfaces and that required another round of brush touch up.  While sanding some of the camou colours rubbed onto the squadron codes, so when I went back in with the brush you can see a couple different shades in the medium sea grey.  I've gone back and smoothed this out.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, January 16, 2012 5:13 PM

Alrighty completed pics, but first some history.

The mount I've attempted to depict here is that of Canadian pilot Keith 'Skeets' Ogilvie when he achieved his first kill.  Of the serial code I'm quite sure of.   The individual code "E" though is something I've concluded to after reading excerpts of 609 squadron diaries on the net:

On Sept 3rd he crashed landed L1065 coded PR-E due to a blown tyre. Both main wings were a write off. Two days later, on Sept. 5th, N3280 arrived from 234 Sqn. I'm guessing that this was a replacement and it adopted the PR-E codes. On Sept. 7th Ogilvie's log book states he flew N3280 in Red 3 position, which ties in with being an aircraft from A flight.

During the Battle of Britain 609 squadron became the first to achieve 100 confirmed enemy aircraft kills and Ogilvie would continue flying with them through 1941.  On July 4th of that year, he was shot down over France and would end up a POW for the rest of the war. 

He was part of the great escape from which a movie was made starring Steve McQueen.  Ogilvie was recaptured almost immediately, as were 71 of the 75 escapees. Soon after, 50 of the would-be escapees were executed by firing squad in nearby woods. Skeets Ogilvie's life was spared, perhaps due to the fact he was still wearing his RAF uniform.   He ended the war with  5 confirmed kills (along with 3 damaged and 3 probable) and the D.F.C.

regards,

Jack

 

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Posted by jbrady on Monday, January 16, 2012 6:28 PM

Outstanding work Jack.Your persistance and perserverance have paid off in a beautiful finished product. Thanks for the history lesson, I enjoyed that.

   

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, January 16, 2012 7:06 PM

Fantastic results, Jack.  It's a real work of art.  Congratulations.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:20 AM

Thx guys.

The build took a lot longer than anticipated and had to re-learn some things by making mistakes.  I guess I've been away from the workbench for too long regarding aircraft subjects.  Hopefully my next build for "That's Amore" GB won't be so problematic - but there too armour subjects is something I haven't done in some time so we'll see.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:33 AM

Jack - That is indeed a stunning piece of work. You should really be proud of the time and effort you put into it. It  was an absolute pleasure to follow your skills and knowledge.

                                       Thank You, Joe

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Posted by Texas Tbone on Monday, January 23, 2012 2:14 AM

If its not to late I would like to sign up to build a Tamiya 1/48 Spitfire Mk.1.  After a botched P51B mustang build going to consider this my first build.....Probably going to be asking alot of questions to get this build right so let me apologize ahead of time for picking the brains of members of this group build.  Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.....Thanks, James

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Posted by ww2psycho on Monday, January 23, 2012 4:44 PM

Youre in!

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