ARMOR - Towed Gun Group Build (ends 7/1/04)

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn Joe, I don't think the Tamiya gun needs much in terms of AM -- it's a nice little model in its own right. Interesting how even the older artillery kits hold up. The Tamiya 88, while showing its age a bit when compared to the newest kits, still builds up very handsomely.

QUOTE: Originally posted by jkeller Larry, thanks that reinforces my decision not to add any PE detail etc.....Looking at the Eduard PE set for the 25pdr I couldn't see any added detail. I'm not to familar with building artillery pieces so I wasn't really sure.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn QUOTE: Originally posted by jkeller Larry, thanks that reinforces my decision not to add any PE detail etc.....Looking at the Eduard PE set for the 25pdr I couldn't see any added detail. I'm not to familar with building artillery pieces so I wasn't really sure. IMO Eduard is a mixed bag. Some of the stuff is good, other stuff is flat-out wrong, and yet a set set of stuff asks you to remove perfectly good kit stuff and replace it with etch stuff that's just too thin to be in scale. Etch to replace clunky plastic detail? You betcha! Etch for the sake of etch? No thanks.

QUOTE: Originally posted by ddayomaha Well I finished my 7.5 cm howitzer, It's going to be knocked out in a dio!

QUOTE: Originally posted by ddayomaha I'm thinking that since I just finished a Panther late, I'm going to haveit driving by it! There is the tanks commander but I might put in a couple more figures.

QUOTE: Originally posted by zokissima Well, even though the gun was finished a while ago, the Demag pulling it is finally done as well. Took me about three tries to build a colapsed canvas cover for it, and it still didn't look like I wanted it to.

QUOTE: Originally posted by jratz A Mack NO showed up today -- now I have a choice of two prime movers to not finish by the end of build !!!!!! I've also got a spare 155 & an 8" in the stash now, so all the things I learned in this build are gonna get applied in a better job later on.

QUOTE: Originally posted by jlwilliams Question Here!! Were the barrels of german antitank and anitaircraft guns painted or left a natural finish? I am doing the tamiya pak 34/35. It appears to have a painted barrel with the breech left a metal finish. I am also building the italerai flak 43. The instruction sheet appears to show a painted barrel. The artwork on the box shows a metal finish. So far my research has been inconclusive on these two weapons.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn Originally posted by jratz John, big favor time. I'm assembling the manual hoist at the back, and they don't show you how to thread the chain through it. I'm baffled! Does the TM tell you how to do it? Most helpful, are there pictures? (Hint hint!) Any help greatly appreciated. I'm stuck at the hoist at this point. Larry: Go back to page 35 in this thread & find my message with the "pintle" links. See if #2 & #3 help you any. If not, I'll rescan & put 'em up again .... John Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 1:05 AM Oh yeah, there it is! Thanks. I'll look at it in more detail in the morning. Reply Edit wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Friday, June 11, 2004 6:34 AM Well, I finally got the gun shield on the Pak 40. some goofus had glued that lower tube thing on the back of the shield a bit inboard. so the shield would not go on straight. eventually, i cut the end off w/ the sprue nippers and all was well. the Fred Flintstone approach, but in that spot, you'd never be able to tell. the crew has been primed. last night i painted their boots. more to come on them this weekend. then i put some more pieces together for the limber & gun carraige for the Quad. the bad news is, i had to bring the camera i have been using back to the office. not sure if that is the end of the loan or not, but no pics for a while now. Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 8:44 AM Ed, we look forward to seeing pics of that Panzerknacker done! Sounds like it's coming along nicely. We all have setbacks -- it's how you overcome them that counts! Reply Edit wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Friday, June 11, 2004 10:21 AM well, the camera part is the problem now! but i will either find another to borrow, or break down & buy one. :-) still have to get the crew painted. Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 4:25 PM Hi everyone! I've recently been corresponding with Larry about his Mack and he invited me over to the group. Unfortunately with my current schedule I'll never make the GB, but it is on my project list (Mack NO with a 155mm Long Tom). The reason I popped in was to offer help with your chain hoist rigging Larry. Hopefully this picture will help. http://home.mindspring.com/~mopony/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/hoist.jpg I've read all of the posts from page 1 and have a question; Jratz, could you summarize the changes need to backdate the M59 to an M1? I am aware of the sheave mounted over the cradle (found a GREAT pic on an Aussie site of one also!). I have the PSP wheels, but have changed course for the Masters Productions set. The casting on my PSP set was very good (seems I got lucky!), and I was going to settle for the 5- hole rims. That plan has now been changed! Thanks and great job by everyone so far! John p.s. Larry, I'll get that 8" pic off to you. It's on another computer right now and I'll have to copy it. Reply Edit wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Saturday, June 12, 2004 5:15 PM Hi gang! really too nice of a day to work much on the Pak, but i did put the sunshine to use! i got the camera back for the weekend, so here are some progress pics. i know the light/reflector still needs to be painted, and the figures are more 'started than finished. they just have base coat for uniforms and skin. and yes, they are not wearing their helmets! anywho: i did the camo stripes w/ a microbrush. muzzle end w/ pastel chalk, wash is a watercolor using burnt seinna. or is it umber? well, it was brown, anyway mud on wheels is a few shades of Tamiya brown and some coffee grounds. also, the ammo is not ready for the loader. and, yes, the one wheel is up in the air. either one wheel is up, or one of the legs . . . i am hoping to get it squared away on a base / mini dio. i am thinking the ends of the legs get dug in, so i should be able to sort it out then. Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by JKWilson Hi everyone! I've recently been corresponding with Larry about his Mack and he invited me over to the group. Unfortunately with my current schedule I'll never make the GB, but it is on my project list (Mack NO with a 155mm Long Tom). The reason I popped in was to offer help with your chain hoist rigging Larry. Hopefully this picture will help. http://home.mindspring.com/~mopony/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/hoist.jpg I've read all of the posts from page 1 and have a question; Jratz, could you summarize the changes need to backdate the M59 to an M1? I am aware of the sheave mounted over the cradle (found a GREAT pic on an Aussie site of one also!). I have the PSP wheels, but have changed course for the Masters Productions set. The casting on my PSP set was very good (seems I got lucky!), and I was going to settle for the 5- hole rims. That plan has now been changed! Thanks and great job by everyone so far! John p.s. Larry, I'll get that 8" pic off to you. It's on another computer right now and I'll have to copy it. John (Wilson): Great picture of the Mack NO hoist !!! Larry: It's better than I can do out of the TM !! John (Wilson): My "backdate the M59 to an M1" comment was pre-Masters Prod resin set, which I think you have. The two big issues on the gun itself were the wheels/tires and the "out-of-battery" mechanism. The former is fixed by the Masters Prod detail set, as is the latter by the bracket/sheave. Up till then I was gonna (actually did) make the retracting rings which were an MWO allowing a guy with a hand winch to jack the gun in/out of battery. All the other issues on the gun and those on the limber (which you won't need with the NO) were simply correcting a few things on the kit, mostly on the limber but also adding brake-lines. I kept the M5 Limber from the kit rather than use the M2 Limber in the Master Prod set because I had already put the work in. I think you've seen most of it in our posts. Reply Edit tigerman Member since March 2003 From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA Posted by tigerman on Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:40 PM Looking good Ed. Those microbrushes come in handy, don't they?  Eric  Reply wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:32 PM Eric, they sure do! i liked the control, and no brush marks. Reply Dwight Ta-ala Member since July 2003 From: Philippines Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:12 PM Ed, great work on that PAK and the figures, too. I pressume that the figures are sporting the new shaved off, stealth headgear. LOL. Just kidding. Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:50 PM John R. Thanks for the information. That eases my mind that I haven't overlooked anything for the backdate. While I'm still unable to make the GB, I did say the heck with the other projects on the bench and started another! That Mack NO kept calling me from the box and I had to give in! ;) I keep hearing a muffled sound from the Long Tom box too! John Reply Edit wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Monday, June 14, 2004 6:52 AM Dwight, thanks! yes, i noticed while taking the picture that the crew gets a lot more cover from the shield this way! not much work done this weekend. went to the race at Pocono yesterday. i did get the engine & transfer case from the Quad painted. does anyone have an opinion (HA!) :-) on what the best Tamiya color for German Helmets is? and do you think that Field Grey looks 'too green' ? i altered the tops w/ a bit of neutral grey, so the pants should look darker. i was trying to avoid that 'dipped' look. 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