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Blitzkrieg in the West (France 1940) Sept. 18 2011 - March 1 2012

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:34 PM

I like the streaking effects Tim.

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Posted by bufflehead on Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:45 AM

Nice looking Pz. II Tim!  I like the two-tone camo pattern which would be appropriate for this time frame!

Update on the Bronco A13:

Assembly finally done!  YAY!!  Well, except for a few items that will go on after painting (fender dust shields, mirror, spotlight) and several tiny wing nuts that I'll add right before primer otherwise I'll knock the little suckers off! 

Some detail shots:

These tiny little tracks nearly killed me!  120 per side and the two types of links were a bear to deal with!  Still they look quite nice with the track sag and all!  For some reason the tracks don't want to sit down on the wheels, but a little glue at  the end should fix that!

Primer tomorrow morning, followed by camo and decals!  I'm gunning for that Wednesday end date!

Ernest

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:13 PM

I'll bet those tracks were fun. The smaller they are, the more involved they are. They look great Ernest and like you said, a little glue will take care of the sag.

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 Eric 

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Posted by detailfreak on Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:24 PM

                                  I too have been at the bench attempting to put the final touches on the Panzer II.Lets get to the pics .






Lots of touch-up to do and adding those little parts that always get in theway of big fingers.LOL. As always any questions or comments are welcome.

 

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Posted by bufflehead on Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:04 PM

Ooh!  Another Pz. II!  Looking good Greg!  You don't need to tell me about little parts and big fingers!!Bang Head

I just gave the A13 a primer coat using Tamiya Fine Gray Primer from the rattlecan!  Should be able to base color in couple of hours.

Question:  Does anyone have any recommendations as to what Tamiya acrylic colors come close to the "Dark Green G4" and "Khaki Green G3" listed on the painting instructions?  On one site I checked out a modeller painted it Tamiya Olive Green XF-58 for the Dark Green and what looked like Flat Green for the Khaki Green...seemed a bit bright to me!

Ernest

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Posted by treadwell on Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:48 PM

 

Hi guys :  )

Tim I see the Pz II is coming along with the figure...looking good man

Ernest  hey buddy the A 13 looks REALLY sharp man !  even though the tracks were a pain, they look very,very nice !  the P.E. work (especially the latches) looks great also : )

Hey Greg :  ) your Panzer II is also looking very fine indeed ! 

Cliff the pictures of the Potez 631 are very cool... looks like a super nice build

bbrowniii...man I can't wait to see your finished shots !

best regards guys... everything is lookin' great !YesYes

treadCool

 

   

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:00 PM

bufflehead

Bang Head

Question:  Does anyone have any recommendations as to what Tamiya acrylic colors come close to the "Dark Green G4" and "Khaki Green G3" listed on the painting instructions?  On one site I checked out a modeller painted it Tamiya Olive Green XF-58 for the Dark Green and what looked like Flat Green for the Khaki Green...seemed a bit bright to me!

Mike Starmer has done some in depth research for British AFV colours, good read here: http://www.mafva.net/other%20pages/Starmer%20camo.htm in which he gives suggestions for Revell mixes.

Another miniatures site http://www.miniatures.de/camouflage-british.html
If you take their info and cross reference the Humbrol colours to match Tamiya via ipmsStockholm charts, this is the result:
Khaki Green No.3 B.S.381  =  Hu no.30  =  Tamiya XF-61*
Dark Green No.4 B.S.381    =  Hu no.75  =  Tamiya XF-11*

*Note this is just info from the net and I haven't tried those colours myself.

Also the Humbrol 75 is labelled matt bronze green and I have read somewhere this was a post war colour.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:57 PM

Hey guys, thanks!

Tim: The Panzer II looks great. Love the faded camo and the rain streaks.

Earnest and Greg: Great work guys, love to see the model when it finally comes together from all the little plastic bits in the box.

Toast

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by bufflehead on Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:14 PM

Eric, tread, Jack, Gamera - thanks guys!  Its been an interesting model to build, and I'm looking forward to getting the camo on her!

Jack, thanks for the camo info!  Very interesting, but also a little confusing.  The colors described between the two sites don't match so I'm left to form my own conclusions.  Tamiya XF-61 (Dark Green) does seem to be a good match for Dark Green G4, so I'll go with that.    I also found a tip on the web to mix Tamiya XF-62 (Olive Drab) with XF-59 (Desert Yellow) in a 3/2 ratio to get match the Khaki Green G3.  I tried it and it seems to be a pretty good color to contrast with the Dark Green.  I also found that Lifecolor UA221 (Khaki Olive Drab) comes pretty close to the color of the Tamiya mix, although a little lighter in tone. 

I really like how the camo colors look with Steve Zaloga's build:  http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/britain/a13cruisersz_1.html  The lighter color must be the Khaki Green and seems pretty light compared to the Dark Green.  What do you think?

Ernest

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 AM

Ernest - Yes, XF-61 dark green appears to be a viable choice.  Mind you, Tamiya also uses this same green for RAF aircraft camou.  In Zaloga's book he briefly mentions this colour was provided to the troops in paste form.   So this might explain some of the different intensities of this shade seen in photos.   Starmer's website also reveals that an actual example of Dark Green G4 has yet to be found.  His recipe for Revell colours is based on tonal appearance in photos. 

Khaki Green G3 - yes, Starmer also has olive green comprising 50% for this mix, along with fern green and leather brown.  Is your mixture  from this entry from Missing-lynx forum? (also a G4 recipe).  So yes, looks like you are good to go.

regards,
Jack

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Posted by bufflehead on Monday, February 27, 2012 7:01 PM

Jack - I can't seem to remember where I found the Khaki Green mix mentioned, but it don't think it was the Missing-Lynx link you posted.  I don't recall reading that thread before.  Still, its very interesting as there doesn't seem to be any definite evidence as to the actual colors used.....hmmm sorta like U.S. olive drab , German panzer gray, Russian green, etc.!! Stick out tongue

Camo half done, I'll try to post pics this evening!

Ernest

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Posted by bufflehead on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:01 AM

Had to fix some painting booboos when I knocked off a few parts Black Eye, but here's the A13 with camo.  The colors seem a bit on the light shade, but weathering will darken it.  Still not too sure about those G3 and G4 colors.....Hmm

Ernest

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:22 AM

Wish I could answer your color questions Ernest, but it seems you have it under control.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:17 AM

Ernest: Don't know if it's totally accurate but it looks really good!

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Posted by DaveB on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:19 PM

Hey Guys,

It's been so long since my last post I can't remember when it was. I had to put modeling on the back burner for awhile but then realized this build closes on March 1.  Fortunately, I was pretty far along and didn't have to do many marathon sessions to finish up. I'm now out of state (and away from the bench) for seven weeks but brought a hard drive with the in-progress build photos which I now offer in a couple separate posts since there are a dozen photos.  In the second post, I'll offer a brief evaluation of the kit.

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Final construction. Most of the Eduard photoetch set for the kit was used. The electrical lines running to the smoke grenades are polyester thread coated in superglue.

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The vehicle finished with Floquil grey primer. You may notice the electrical lines are missing. When the Floquil primer hit them they frayed something terrible which surprised me since they were pretty well sealed with glue. Possibly the lacquer thinner used to thin the primer caused the problem?  I'll eventually replace them when I find a substitute for the thread.

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The panzer grey basecoat applied. I used a mix of Tamiya XF-24 and XF-8 at about a 4:1 ratio.

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The camouflage added using Vallejo German Camouflage Brown. This is the first time I've used Vallejo paints for anything other than figures and was surprised at how well it airbrushed diluted about 50/50 with distilled water.

More shortly in another post.

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Posted by DaveB on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:15 PM

Historic Plastic Models 1/35th scale Sd.Kfz. 231 6-rad

Here's the final installment.

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The model after a couple thin coats of Future and the decals applied. The decals were thick and fragile. It took Solvaset to get them to conform to some spots and care had to be taken to avoid breaking them (which a couple did.)

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Dot filtering was done using raw umber, titanium white, Prussian blue and Payne's gray oils. I usually do dot filtering directly over the paint (i.e. without a Future coat) because I think it works best that way. Applied over a gloss coat it seems to streak rather than influence the tint of the color beneath it. But, knowing what was in store for the vehicle (a heavy dust coating) I didn't think it was going to make that much difference.

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Following the dot filtering, a gradual build up of dust was airbrushed using Floquil mud from their model railroading line of paints. I always feel a bit hesitant piling on the dust or mud for fear of being accused of hiding mistakes in building but the reference photo I worked from showed a vehicle that was totally covered in a thick layers of dust. I actually toned it down considerably. After the dusting, I did some pin washes, minor pigment dusting and then Testor's Dullcoted the entire vehicle.


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I wish I could say this kit was a joy to build but it was pretty much the opposite. It was more like, "Am I ever going to finish this thing?" It came close to being bounced off the wall more than once. Granted, some of the issues were my own fault but the kit itself was hardly of Tamiya/DML, et. al. quality. As a limited run Czech kit from a decade ago it definitely had its faults: poor fit in many places, confusing instructions, overly-thick parts (the Eduard photoetch set  really helps here) and poor decals.  On the positive side, if you persevere, the results can be an impressive model of a unique vehicle.

I usually place my finished kits on a simple base with a figure but, as I plan to incorporate this one in a diorama, I passed on the base.  I intend to add the 231 to a diorama including the Tamiya Stug III, Bronco Adler scout car, a knocked-out Tamiya French Char B and about a dozen figures. At the rate I'm working I should be occupied for the remainder of the year.    

So, stick a fork in it because it's done.  I enjoyed reading everyone's posts and seeing your builds. Keep up the good work and hopefully see you in another  GB.

 

Dave

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Posted by BaBill212 on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:26 PM

Great stuff guys,,  I really like this era...........................

 

 

 

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:02 PM

Dave glad you could slip in under the wire and present your build. Very nice. I like the filtering and agree with you about not applying over a gloss. I feel it has less bite. I just gloss under the decals and that's it.

I kind of hate to see this GB running out of momentum, but it's time has come. For those still building, please don't give up yet. I would like to see the actives complete their builds.

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 Eric 

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:21 PM

Good looking build Dave.

I got the tracks on my Panzer II and after a little pastel dusting tomorrow night, I should be done. Thank God for leap year and the extra day.

Tim Wilding

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:43 PM

DaveB- That's a great looking 6-Rad!!! YesYes 

Andy

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Posted by DaveB on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:53 PM

Thanks, Andy.     I look forward to finishing the Su-76i for the Pz III build when I get home in April. Are you still planning to attend AMPS?

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:55 AM

Come on Tim, you can do it. Big Smile

DaveB, don't forget to grab the badge from page 1 of the guidelines. 

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Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:53 AM

Been a while since I've posted but I've been following the builds...and WOW!  Outstanding work by all....

Dave, Tim, Ernest, Greg & Terry-great armor builds....really neat stuff.

Gamera & Theuns-very nice builds on your planes.....good to see some allied planes in the mix.

Sorry if I've missed anyone since the last post....again, all the work here has been inspirational....all great builds on some very difficult subjects.

My 109 is 95% complete-all the 'little bits' have been painted and are just awaiting to be attached.  After that, a flat coat and maybe some more weathering and it's done. 

Eric-another fine GB you've organized and run......what's next?

Bob

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:26 AM

DaveB

Thanks, Andy.     I look forward to finishing the Su-76i for the Pz III build when I get home in April. Are you still planning to attend AMPS?

DaveB- No hurry we still have four months left... Whistling. Oh yes I am still planning to go. It would be great if we can meet.  PM me so we can make plans. 

Andy

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:59 AM

Dave: Super job! Love the dusty look, it really suits the vehicle. I'll admit I was worried when you said 'Historic Model' since after building one of their kits I'll avoid the brand like a plague but you did a great job on her. Looking forward to the diorama.

Bob: Thanks, funny I built the plane years ago and just threw her in here just for the halibut.

Cliff

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:35 PM

bobbaily

Been a while since I've posted but I've been following the builds...and WOW!  Outstanding work by all....

Dave, Tim, Ernest, Greg & Terry-great armor builds....really neat stuff.

Gamera & Theuns-very nice builds on your planes.....good to see some allied planes in the mix.

Sorry if I've missed anyone since the last post....again, all the work here has been inspirational....all great builds on some very difficult subjects.

My 109 is 95% complete-all the 'little bits' have been painted and are just awaiting to be attached.  After that, a flat coat and maybe some more weathering and it's done. 

Eric-another fine GB you've organized and run......what's next?

I've been running the Italian-themed GB "That's Amore" for 2 months now. LOL I guess I did a pretty poor advertising campaign on it. We have some great stuff: ships, planes and armor. I'm building Tamiya's ancient Semovente. The build runs to the end of May, so you have 3 months to get her done. You can enter anytime.

***I don't normally do this, but since this has been my most successful GB yet, due to participation and finished builds, that I will allow the badge to those who have participated and shared WIP pictures throughout the build that complete their model after the deadline. If you never posted any WIP pictures or just dropped out, then sorry. Just please post your finished build before picking it up. I know of at least 5 that have WIP's: Bobbaily, Iraqiwildman, bbrowniii, detailfreak, and Bufflehead. There might be more. I know Tim and Boyd are done, so they'd qualify anyway.

 

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:47 PM

Thanks for that.

I was planning on getting it finished tonight, but my beagle keeps getting out of the backyard, so my wife wants me to plug the gaps under the fence tonight. I've had to chase her (the beagle, not the wife) through the woods the last 2 mornings. It seems like something like this comes up everytime I have some free time at the workbench.

I have really enjoy following all the builds for the last 6 months. Wow, it does not seem that long ago we started this. I am now reading a Time-Life book on the blitzkrieg in Poland and France and am finding it very interesting.

Tim Wilding

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:53 PM

tigerman

 

***I don't normally do this, but since this has been my most successful GB yet, due to participation and finished builds, that I will allow the badge to those who have participated and shared WIP pictures throughout the build that complete their model after the deadline. If you never posted any WIP pictures or just dropped out, then sorry. Just please post your finished build before picking it up. I know of at least 5 that have WIP's: Bobbaily, Iraqiwildman, bbrowniii, detailfreak, and Bufflehead. There might be more. I know Tim and Boyd are done, so they'd qualify anyway.

Eric, I have to agree this has been a great GB and I wish I could start my Char Bis build earlier but it is not looking good right now.  However it is still on my build list for this year probably in the summer.  I had to adjust my schedule to build a huge 1:35 UH-1H Huey for a good friend's 50th birthday coming up this Saturday.  His wife asked me to build one because he flew it for 14 years in the Army and the best thing she is paying for everything... so far $115 for this beauty.  You can find it in the Helicopter forum if you are interested...

With less than a month left to go, I don't think I will be able to finish my Char in time but I will build it in honor of Eric's GB later this year.  Sorry about that... I owe you one Eric.

Andy

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Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:56 PM

Thanks Eric (regarding allowing the badge after the finish date).  I have no excuse, other than lack of time management skills.....oh well, I've enjoyed seeing everyone's builds.  Some great models built and presented by the group.

And I am aware of your "That's Amore' GB....I just don't have anything Italian in the stash!  However, I am getting ready to cash in my loose change cup so I was wondering what comes after "That's Amore"?  Any thoughts or is it too soon?  Sprue Brothers are running a 20% off of their Super Specials thru today......

Bob

 

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:32 PM

bobbaily

Thanks Eric (regarding allowing the badge after the finish date).  I have no excuse, other than lack of time management skills.....oh well, I've enjoyed seeing everyone's builds.  Some great models built and presented by the group.

And I am aware of your "That's Amore' GB....I just don't have anything Italian in the stash!  However, I am getting ready to cash in my loose change cup so I was wondering what comes after "That's Amore"?  Any thoughts or is it too soon?  Sprue Brothers are running a 20% off of their Super Specials thru today......

Is that an additional 20% off??!!!!!!! I'd better check that out. Big Smile

Yes Bob, it's too early, but I'm leaning to my Dragon Tiger I for my next build. Just need to come up with a theme. perhaps Tiger-Striped or Tiger Family GB or whatnot. I'm just afraid that Tiger themed builds have been done to death. However, whom doesn't have one in the stash?

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 Eric 

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