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Big Beautiful Jugs - OFFICIAL P-47 GROUP BUILD

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 5, 2012 8:33 PM

Well, looks like I may be back in P-47 land soon! Discovered some markings I'd never seen before today that'd make a great contrast with "Magic Carpet":

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Instead of the NMF wings and painted fuselage, it's got a NMF fuselage with olive drab upper wing surfaces (and an OD anti-glare strip)...

Got three on the bench that need tending first, but after that, it may be Jug time once again!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:01 PM

where are you finding all these entrusting markings? love the magic carpet bird. i got more pics to add tomorrow. to lazy upload them. tamiya jug is a dream.

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:05 PM

randypandy831

where are you finding all these entrusting markings? love the magic carpet bird. i got more pics to add tomorrow. to lazy upload them. tamiya jug is a dream.

Agreed! I still contend Tamiya's P-47 might be the best 1/48 kit ever put into a box. Awesome detail, stupendous engineering, brilliant fit, not so many parts that you go batty, can be found for $30 if you look...

Where am I finding them? This one came about through Google - the D.520 I'm building for Vance's French GB reminded me of Richard's Free French P-47, which led me to this:

And Empire City Decals just happens to make a sheet...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:48 PM

Very cool Doogs- odd but cool mixture of OD green and NM there!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Friday, July 6, 2012 7:19 PM

french bird?

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, July 7, 2012 6:21 AM

The very first model I ever built was a Frog P-47D in French markings. I'd love to reprise that some day with a better build and a more recent kit. I think the jug was used by some interesting smaller air forces post war too, I know I have some Brazilian decals somewhere.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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  • From: Monterey Bay,CA-Fort Bragg, NC
Posted by randypandy831 on Saturday, July 7, 2012 4:30 PM

Doogs, what exact panels were a different shade? im trying to find info for my next project. thanks!

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, July 7, 2012 4:40 PM

randypandy831

Doogs, what exact panels were a different shade? im trying to find info for my next project. thanks!

The P-47's tough to call on that. The gun bay doors, for one. The side panels just aft of the cowl flaps. The strips running aft of the waste gates. There was also some variation on the tail. Think a lot of it was just how different panels oxidized, since you see similar variations on OD jugs. 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, July 8, 2012 5:35 AM

With such a cool thread title I had to go and buy someting to build for it LOL!

Can I join with a 1/72 Academy Jug?

Theuns

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Posted by NervousEnergy on Sunday, July 8, 2012 12:27 PM

Latest pictures.  NMF mid and final stages.  Alclad II Airframe Aluminum over Mr Surfacer 1200 (thinned with leveling thinner) and Alclad Gloss Black Base.

Mid-stage - Airframe Aluminum 3 uber light coats plus duraluminum over the gun covers:

Final-stage - Regular Aluminum over inside wing panels and various panels / hatches in the fuselage, followed by a final 4th coat of Airframe Aluminum.  Didn't blend it much, but did bring the overall finish up to the correct level of silver (3 coats was too dark.)

 

I had the Grex dialed down to right at 10 PSI, just enough air to atomize the paint and not much else.  Took quite a while for each coat.  On a practical note, it's somewhat easier to paint during daylight hours with a lot of light bleeding through the blinds than it is under the lights.  You have to position the model just perfectly under the lights for each panel to see the AA coat going on and know where you've been, as each one is so thin and just barely brightens up the base.

Once it's down, though, it's just an incredible paint to use.  The pictures don't do it justice... you can't shave in the AA finish, but you can certainly see some reflections, and it looks exactly like polished new metal.  All that work with the micromesh over the Mr Surfacer comes to fruit, and it just looks glorious.  I used right at half a bottle of AA for all 4 coats, and it's a BIG model.  Used Kamoi tape, post-its, and some Tamiya for masking.  No issues at all with pull-up.

Much to my wife's amusement, we took a trip to Joanne's Fabrics and Crafts yesterday to pick up Artists Tape for Curves.  It was the only place in DFW to have any in stock, and I want to start masking the cowling today.  The above pictures and others I took will capture the finish just in case I totally bollox up the Red cowling and swoosh work.  Stick out tongue  That tape for curves is really promising, though... you can just flow it right around and it sticks where you want.  Now hopefully it won't pull up the AA...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, July 8, 2012 5:22 PM

Absolutely Gorgeous finish Nervous. I can see now that I likely would have had better results had I applied a wee bit more patience.

                   Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:48 PM

Yeah great work there NE! Good luck with the 'swoosh'!!!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:11 PM

Is it too late to get in here?  I have the 1/48 Tamiya Razorback I'm itching to build.  

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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  • From: East Peoria, IL
Posted by stoutfella on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:49 PM

NervousEnergy

 

Wow! That is just gorgeous work! Congratulations on a beautiful finish.

Cheers,

Stoutfella

On the bench: 1/48 Tamiya Bristol Beaufighter

On deck: 1/48 Tamiya P51-B

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:07 AM

I was going to build the Academy P-47D bubbletop using the kit decals for 'Eileen' as a nice, simple quick build. Then I start researching the scheme and find the discussion that it's not Olive Drab over Neutral Gray at all, but probably RAF Dark Green or even Medium Green over RAF Sky or possible Neutral Gray. Interesting, but not conducive to a quick build.

I also saw something in my travels about jug cockpits being a darker green than zinc chromate green, possibly something like medium green.

Any thoughts ? At this stage I'm thinking RAF Dark Green over Sky, as apparently the US colors were in short supply at the time they were adding field camo to the bare metal airframes.

It will make a nice contrast to the OD over NG ones, and also seems to agree with the two photos I've seen of this aircraft, where the color difference between the upper and lower camo seems too great for a standard camo scheme.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:18 AM

Tony - I can't speak to Eileen in particular, but a good number of the 56th FG's Jugs wore RAF paint. Think the reason is that at that point the aircraft were starting to come over in bare metal, but different groups either wanted or discovered they still needed camoflage for whatever reason (in Italy, a Luftwaffe attack on the airbases on Corsica made it super-necessary). With the bare metal, I'd imagine olive drab/neutral gray started to become scarce, but hey, the brits had to paint everything Dark Green/Ocean Gray/etc.

As for the cockpit, you're correct. Republic used Dull Dark Green. Best color I've found to match it is Model Master Euro Dark Green.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:21 AM

Thanks Doogs. That's what  i will be running with.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, July 13, 2012 11:45 AM

Doogs here is my entry.

Academy 1/72 P-47 D .

As there are others here being built I will not bore you lads with the Sprue pix.

Academy 1/72 P-47

I will be trying my hab\nd at Alclad pollic\shed allu for the first time with this model.

Theuns

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, July 13, 2012 12:32 PM

Theuns - Hey that's looking right nice so far. Especially for 1/72. Glad to have another person devirginizing themselves on Alclad. That's been especially rewarding for me in this build is working with Alclad for the first time. Lots of helpful tips here.

                                                 Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, July 13, 2012 2:05 PM

Thanx mate, yes I have tried the rest -now i'll try the best!

I am just a little unsure on how to EXACTLY work with the Alclad, but will soon find out! LOL

Interesting the fit of my Jug is good, but not as good as the Academy 1/72 P-51B, that thing just falls together and the detail is superb! Having said that I am still enjoying the jug build though.

Theuns

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Posted by Theuns on Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:31 AM

AIrframe basically done

1/72 P-47

Theuns

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Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:18 PM

Darn good progress Theuns. As of this morning I got all the left side fuselage decals on, leaving only the right side to go and then I will be done with the decals. I'll be glad when I'm done because I'm having stencil dreams. I'll have some pics as soon as I'm done and also address some issues with the accuracy of the Kit World decals I'm using.

                                     Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:35 PM

Looks like you're making great progress with that one, Theuns! Is it just me, or do the blast tubes look a little bit to "flat"? Pretty sure the protrusion from one to the next was more pronounced as they moved inboard.

I've actually been considering picking up a 1/72 P-47 of late - something to use for some forced-perspective photography. Not sure what brand I'd go with, but I've heard really good things about the RoG kit.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, July 14, 2012 5:16 PM

By the way Theuns I addressed some of my insignia issues in your thread concerning P-47 wing insignia.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:56 AM

Thanx Joe. I will go have a look there.

Doogs, do you mean the guns stagger angle? You might be correct mate, they are moulded into the LE that way. I don't know enough abiut the Jug to be able to comment .

It is hugely cold here (by African standards LOL!) so no painting on any of the models totay :-(

Theuns

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, July 16, 2012 12:43 PM

Joy of Joys I finally got all the decals on. Well kinda. The decals are a mix of the AM Kit World set and the Tamiya set.You will note the torn out pieces of the insignia on the left fuselage. This was the result of a ridiculous miscalculation on my part. I use a jig i made up of a block of floral arrangement  foam and some wood dowels to set and steady my plane on its side in order to decal with both hands. I used a short dowel with some paint covered blue-tack to balance the model with some cushion. This was all well and good until I flipped the model over to decal the right side and i picked it up once only to find a chunk of the left insignia stuck to the blue-tack which had lost some of the paint thus exposing some sticky part of it. Ordinarily the would be cause for consternation until I quickly thought of my Tamiya P-47M kit that I have in my stash and lo and behold there was an exact replacement for the damaged decal. I will simply apply a gloss coat and then overlay the new decal over the damaged one. I do not wish to risk damaging the alclad underneath by stripping the old decal off with blue masking tape. So, with that said here's a few pics:

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Thanks for having a look, Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:49 AM

Nice work Joe, I like it a lot.

Can we get a close up of the nose art :)

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:29 AM

Lookin good Joe. Man that alclad looks good. Nice recovery on the decals!!!!

                   

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:35 AM

Joe: Great job and almost done!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Hercmech on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:48 AM

Joe...very nice job on a cool scheme


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