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  • Member since
    February 2012
  • From: Olmsted Township, Ohio
Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:16 AM

Gamera, nice job on that R-2800!  I'm glad someone has gotten use out of the rigging technique.  Doogs, heres the link to the tutorial when you start the mill on your Trump kit.  BTW, the brass micro tubing has become a permanent staple on my bench for all my machine gunning needsYes.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/149327.aspx

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:46 AM

Thanks guys!

And Joe, big thanks to you, great walk-though on wiring radials, I have it bookmarked on my phone and had it up for reference while wiring her. Bow Down

Definably going to give it a whirl on some more radials in the future! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:58 AM

lawdog114

Gamera, nice job on that R-2800!  I'm glad someone has gotten use out of the rigging technique.  Doogs, heres the link to the tutorial when you start the mill on your Trump kit.  BTW, the brass micro tubing has become a permanent staple on my bench for all my machine gunning needsYes.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/149327.aspx

Joe

Awesome - yeah the Trumpeter mill is going to be an epic thing when the time comes...figure I'll tackle it right after the cockpit. Too bad there's no styrene tubing to be had that small...it'd be nice to have something to trap the wire into. 

And yeah, that microtubing is the bee's knees, isn't it?!? 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, November 16, 2012 10:18 AM

The Le Jug continues apace...got a lot done in the pit last night. Think I'll probably be mounting up the seat and harness this evening. Still a ways to go on the IP and the gunsight (got a resin Mk.VIII on order), but it's getting there.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, November 16, 2012 1:55 PM

Looks great Doogs! Looking forward to seeing those cool fabric seatbelts installed.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, November 17, 2012 2:50 AM

More work on Le Jug this evening. First up, the gunsight.

The Mk.VIII gunsight Trumpeter provides is way overscale. To the point that I noticed, which means it's huge. Probably like 1/24. So I sourced a resin replacement from Master Detail. But I liked the mounting truss Eduard packs with their interior set, so I cobbled the two together.

Then primed and painted the whole thing Vallejo Black.

In the office, I got the seat mounted, the HGW harness installed, the oxygen hose finished up, and the rudder pedals attached to the instrument panel. 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: East Peoria, IL
Posted by stoutfella on Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:23 AM

Bow Down Good lord, Doogs! I surrender! That's fabulous!

Cheers,

Stoutfella

On the bench: 1/48 Tamiya Bristol Beaufighter

On deck: 1/48 Tamiya P51-B

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:40 AM

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:43 AM

Ugh. Stupid rich formatting. And since when does edit mean can't delete?

Let's try that again.

and...cockpit's done!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:46 AM

Aaaaaarrrgh WTF? 

Screw it - just go HERE to check 'em out.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:50 AM

Trying this one more time in the clear light of day.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Colorado Springs
Posted by Geof on Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:27 AM

Looks great all around guys! Doogs, nice pit, but a question... Why the blue for the instrument panel? Gamera... Killer motor work man! Inspires me to do more on mine... BUT I swore OOB period! Should have mine wrapped up today... Pics tonight hopefully!

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On the Bench: Tamiya's 1/48 A-10a Thunderbolt 

In the Hangar:  Hmmm???

 

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  • From: East Peoria, IL
Posted by stoutfella on Monday, November 19, 2012 1:49 AM

Hey Geof: What colors and brands did you use on your Gabreski? I know it's been asked and answered a zillion times, but I wondered what your interpretation was.

Cheers,

Stoutfella

On the bench: 1/48 Tamiya Bristol Beaufighter

On deck: 1/48 Tamiya P51-B

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 19, 2012 8:53 AM

Doogs: She looks so good I want to climb in there and fool around with the controls, I swear the dials look they they actually work!

Geof: Thanks, can't take the credit, as I said check out Lawdog's post on wiring radials on the aircraft forum. I just followed his instructions, more tedium than hard work.

BTW: Just applied the yellow trim to the nose of the P-47D, hopefully it will look ok and I'll be able to get to the anti-glare panel and then the NM finish. More photos when I get something to show.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

G-J
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    July 2012
Posted by G-J on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:20 AM

Folks,

Probably a simple question here (or one I hope has a simple answer.) I'm attaching the bombs, rocket launchers and external fuel tank to the bottom of the plane.  The fuel tank has a place where it is recessed to fit onto the hard point.  And there is a tiny hole, which looks to attach to (one of) the little prongs sticking up from the plane.  Is there supposed to be a second hole in the tank that the second prong attaches into?  Or am I missing how to attach the fuel tank?

(Step 5, page 8 of the Revell P-47D Thunderbolt Razorback kit for those keeping score at home.)

Thanks.

On the bench:  Tamyia Mosquito Mk. VI for the '44 group build.  Yes, still.

On deck: 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:41 AM

It's been almost a year since I built my last Revellogram Jug so I'm not 100%, but I believe those are the fuel lines and they're just supposed to sit against the fuselage.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: East Peoria, IL
Posted by stoutfella on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:55 AM

Greetings,

A bit of progress on my Academy Gabreski Jug.

Fuselage buttoned up, wings and stabilizers attached:

Underside. I later filled in the gaps in wheel wells:

Engine. I feel pretty inadequate here after Gamera's amazing wiring job:

And a wing shot with the ill-fitting gun bay door glued in placed, since I decided against going for a detail set to replace the kit's sparse gun array:

General observations on the kit so far: Well, once again, it ain't no Tamiya job. Overall fit was pretty good and the lines look good. But it seems either not enough or perhaps too much thought went into some of the fiddly bits, in particular those gun bay doors, which don't quite sit flush. Once you've got 'em glued in place, there's not much for it. Trying to sand them flush will obliterate the detail and filling won't address the fit issue. And the gun fairing inserts seem like a good concept, since it allows the correct staggered holes for blast tubes. But they just don't fit worth a crap. I fiddled 'em in best I could, but I'm not impressed. Guess that's my overall observation here. The kit's OK, but not up to Tamiya's standards. Yeah, I've gotten spoiled, but Tamiya's precision allows me to concentrate on the finish work, which is what I really enjoy, rather than mucking around with filler and trying to make the best of something that's not quite right. And as long as I'm at it: Really, Academy, does everything  have to require gluing two pieces together -- cowling, tires, stabilizers, etc.? Other companies have managed to produce these in one piece quite successfully, or as assemblies that make sense. For example, tire and hub assemblies that don't require you to glue two tire halves together, then sand away a seam and that nice tread detail and still have to mask off or freehand the hubs.

Anyway, all for now. I'm moving into the paint shop. Updates to come.

Cheers,

Stoutfella

On the bench: 1/48 Tamiya Bristol Beaufighter

On deck: 1/48 Tamiya P51-B

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:00 PM

Coming along nicely, stoutfella!

But FWIW I totally agree with your closing assessment - it's exactly why I recommend people considering a 1/48 Jug either go with the Tamiya, or the old Monogram. One's an excellent value and a fun, simple build, and the other an absolute masterpiece. The Academy strikes me (granted, I've only played with the -N) as an exercise in complete averageness.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:18 PM

SF: Looks good to me! Don't see that much putty, I should have taken some photos of my Promodeler P-47N during construction, all the white areas on the underside are putty. I think the model is about 34.24% putty by composition: 

Wish I'd went with the Academy P-47N now, but oh well. Still almost finished, there's a small rough area right under the left side of the cockpit and I'm trying to sand it out and repaint without messing up the decals. 

And Doogs, I do have to disagree a teeny bit- I still like the Hasegawa P-47D. If the Tamiya kit is a perfect 10 then the Hasegawa is a 9 at least. I see your point about not messing around with second rate kits but with the Tamiya jug as king of the hill the Hasegawa can be picked up cheap at shows, so if you're on a budget it can be a very decent choice. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

G-J
  • Member since
    July 2012
Posted by G-J on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:06 PM

DoogsATX

It's been almost a year since I built my last Revellogram Jug so I'm not 100%, but I believe those are the fuel lines and they're just supposed to sit against the fuselage.

Awesome, thanks.  Since there is a tiny hole in the tank, I wasn't sure if it was to be connected.

On the bench:  Tamyia Mosquito Mk. VI for the '44 group build.  Yes, still.

On deck: 

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  • From: Colorado Springs
Posted by Geof on Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:44 AM

Everyone is looking good!! Stoutfella I hear you on the join 2 halves thing. Drives my crazy. It's one thing if there are positionable flaps or something, but if not, just make them one piece. I don't know if the idea is to make a kit more complex in order to achieve some sort of supposed value to the modeler o if it's cheaper on their end to make the parts that way... I hate filling and sanding... but I suppose it is the modelers doom!

Anyway... my Gabreski is DONE... its amazing how long fiddly bits toward the end take to finalize. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how it turned out!

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On the Bench: Tamiya's 1/48 A-10a Thunderbolt 

In the Hangar:  Hmmm???

 

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  • From: East Peoria, IL
Posted by stoutfella on Thursday, November 22, 2012 8:04 AM

Geof, that is absolutely gorgeous! As I said, I'll be eating your dust on this one. That's a very high bar you've set. Congrats on a beautiful build!

Cheers,

Stoutfella

On the bench: 1/48 Tamiya Bristol Beaufighter

On deck: 1/48 Tamiya P51-B

  • Member since
    August 2009
  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:19 AM

Geof - Wow, you did an absolutely incredible job on your Jug. Must say, your skills are certainly of the highest order there, especially on the painting end of the scale.

Doogs - Oh, now that is one awesome cockpit. Exquisite work. I really like how the seatbelts turned out. I obtained a couple of sets of those a while back right after you brought them to my attention. I haven't had the oppurtunity to use them yet but judging how they turned out for you I'm certainly not going to regret having snagged them.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:34 AM

Geof: WOW! Now that's simply fantastic! Great job over-all and I love how the camo came out!

Btw: Happy Thanksgiving guys!

Btw 2: And the P-47D is together and has a yellow nose! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:15 PM

Ok, I've went past yellow to Johnnie Cash mode....

Now I'm stalled out on both this kit and P-47N, dropped my Grex detail airbrush in the sink and bent the tip out of shape so all I have is the big Paashe which I can paint detail with but it's more work. Parts are currently on the way, I still intend to finish the Promodeler P-47N before the end of the year!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:30 PM

That's a great Gabreski Geof. I think it's quite a difficult scheme to accomplish, and yours look correct, and realistic.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:19 AM

Been putting in some Jug time the past two nights.

Last night I got the fuselage closed up.



Tonight I played with the wings. Discovered to my intense irritation that, the way the Master blast tubes are flanged, they have to be installed before the fairings. No dropping them in at the end a la the Tamiya kit. Also, the fit of the M2s in the gun bays is very janky.



I taped everything up and used the blast tubes to locate the guns, then tacked them in place with Tenax. From here the tubes and fairings will be removed until it's time for them to go back in.



I've also decided to build this one closed up. Fun discovery! This isn't a Tamiya kit, and so the access panels sit too deep. Since I'm lazy I didn't want to sort out any kind of risers, so instead I taped a piece of styrene to the door to hold it up while I tacked it in place. You can see the gun access door sitting too deep...



Overall, liking this kit, just wish these overengineered bits had the fit to match their ambitions.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:51 AM

DoogsATX

But FWIW I totally agree with your closing assessment - it's exactly why I recommend people considering a 1/48 Jug either go with the Tamiya, or the old Monogram. One's an excellent value and a fun, simple build, and the other an absolute masterpiece. The Academy strikes me (granted, I've only played with the -N) as an exercise in complete averageness.

 
The 1/48 Hasegawa ones aren't bad either.
 
Speaking of which, I got the gloss black coat on mine.  Pics will be up when I get home.

  

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:19 PM

Here's the promised update:

All gloss black and shiny! Will need to sand to smooth out for the NMF to follow on Saturday

Underside:

If things go according to plan, she'll be shiny on Saturday! 

 

  

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  • From: Colorado Springs
Posted by Geof on Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:45 AM

Ha! In some ways guys, those all black jugs look pretty cool! Gamera... What happened to the yellow?

Doogs, that thing still looks like a monster... What are the dimensions of it?

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On the Bench: Tamiya's 1/48 A-10a Thunderbolt 

In the Hangar:  Hmmm???

 

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