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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:48 PM

Oh, and a little something for anybody building a Monogram Jug...if you've ever encountered the blast tubes on those kits, they're sad things. Little sticks of plastic. My attempt at once was unfortunately foiled by ancient decals and subsequent removal attempts, but before I got into that, I modded the wings to accept some spare Tamiya blast tubes (though Quickboost resin, Master brass, or even just tubing would also work):

Full tutorial write-up HERE, if interested.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

cml
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Posted by cml on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:27 PM

I've seen a few reference to the blast tubes a couple of pages back.

I'm building a Tamiya - and the kit tubes seem to look ok, however, i found some brass tubing/wires at my LHS called Albion Alloys (they also advertise in FSM i've noticed).

I picked up some Albion Alloy tubing many months ago - internal diameter of 0.3mm and external of 0.5mm.

I figure, .50 cal is 12.7mm, so at 1/48, that's about .26mm internal diameter - but what is the external diameter on a .50 cal?

What to ya'll think?  Even though my tubing is slightly larger, i'm guessing most people won't be able to eyeball a 0.04mm error.

Oh, one last thing - how do i cut it without squashing it?

Chris

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Posted by jbrady on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:39 PM

Fill the end you cut with epoxy. You can always drill it out after the cut.

   

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:52 PM

DoogsATX

Joe - definitely check out Mushroom Media's P-47 Bubbletop (Amazon link). Apart from overall excellence (very geared toward the modeler and detailer), it also comes with full 1/72, 1/48, and 1/32 plans. 

I've also got the Aero Detail P-47 book (#14 I believe) - it's good, but too many shots of modern resto-jobs for me to be entirely comfortable with it.

Thanks Doogs. I have that very book saved in my cart on amazon. i figured that would be a sweet reference as I picked up the MM book on the Spitfire Mk Vb for the Spitfire GB and I am hugely impressed with that one.

                                                                         Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

cml
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Posted by cml on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:50 PM

Yes

jbrady

Fill the end you cut with epoxy. You can always drill it out after the cut.

Epoxy being super glue? or is it a putty?

Either way, that sounds like a good idea.  In fact, i wonder if i can just get a 0.03mm solid tube to insert into it and then cut.  of course, that's probably a more expensive option.

Thanks for the ideas jbrady!

Chris

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:01 PM

cml

Yes

 jbrady:

 

Fill the end you cut with epoxy. You can always drill it out after the cut.

 

 

Epoxy being super glue? or is it a putty?

Either way, that sounds like a good idea.  In fact, i wonder if i can just get a 0.03mm solid tube to insert into it and then cut.  of course, that's probably a more expensive option.

Thanks for the ideas jbrady!

Before you do that, get a piece of glass. Place tube on glass. Place a #10 blade (the curvy xacto blade) on top of tube at perpendicular angle. Move the blade back and forth so that the tubing rolls underneath it. With .005mm tubing, you'll score through in no time, without crushing.

I made a several dozen turnbuckles this way back when I was rigging by Pup:

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

cml
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Posted by cml on Thursday, November 24, 2011 6:15 PM

DoogsATX: excellent, thanks for the tip.

I'll have to venture out and get a new #10 before this GB starts.

 

Chris

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, November 25, 2011 4:26 PM

Doogs,

You had to announce this the day after I left for vacation Surprise Back now and if you're still accepting entries please put me down, I learned a great deal from the kit I finished last month and want to apply it to a new P-47.

Not totally sure yet but probably would be going with an Academy P-47N in 1/48th.

BTW: Funny I did 'Raid Hot Mama' a couple of years ago using the 1/48th Hasegawa kit and SuperScale decals:

 

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by satch_ip on Friday, November 25, 2011 7:18 PM

Hasegawa 1/48, lot of 2, P-47D Razorback & P-51D 20th FG

 

Another Ebay Score!

I love Jugs...

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Posted by satch_ip on Monday, November 28, 2011 8:37 AM

A little P-47 music to get the creative juices flowing.

Johnny Come Lately

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Posted by Bockscar on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:01 PM

DoogsATX

 

 cml:

 

Yes

 jbrady:

 

Fill the end you cut with epoxy. You can always drill it out after the cut.

 

 

Epoxy being super glue? or is it a putty?

Either way, that sounds like a good idea.  In fact, i wonder if i can just get a 0.03mm solid tube to insert into it and then cut.  of course, that's probably a more expensive option.

Thanks for the ideas jbrady!

 

 

Before you do that, get a piece of glass. Place tube on glass. Place a #10 blade (the curvy xacto blade) on top of tube at perpendicular angle. Move the blade back and forth so that the tubing rolls underneath it. With .005mm tubing, you'll score through in no time, without crushing.

I made a several dozen turnbuckles this way back when I was rigging by Pup:

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy86/doogsatx/Sopwith%20Pup%20RNAS/4306e4f2.jpg

 

Gosh Doogs,

summa' those diffrent long,....lol....

Hey, put some soda in that glass......

I can't participate, but saw a pair, beauties.......Whistling

an' a' look tu the lef'.....

'an thank'ya fer lookin'.....

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Posted by MrBugSlayer on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:46 PM

Sign me up! I've got a few Jugs to choose from so I don't know which to choose right now. Got 1/48's, 1/32's, and a 1/24 to consider. Good thing I gotta year to do it! OOH-WHOO! This is gonna be FUN!

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Posted by MSgtMJ62 on Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:30 PM

Just picked up Revell's P-47N Li'L Meatie's Meat Chopper of Lt Oscar Perdomo, 464 FS/507 FG.

So, I'll be doing it first.  

Mike

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:44 AM

Sweet - I believe I've got everyone updated. 

I've also decided I'm going to start with Tamiya's Razorback and do "Magic Carpet"! Should be a nice break between the big Wildcat and impending "Double Stang Bang" of the Tamiya and Hasegawa 1/32 P-51s...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:35 PM

Well...crud.

I had to swing by Hobby Lobby this morning to grab some massive sign thing the wife wants for Christmas, and saw they had the reissued Revellogram Razorback. Something like $12 after discount, and it's got some really great markings:

Might have to do a double build...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:46 PM

Hey Doogs that is some awesome nose art (and it doesn't even have some nice lady in her birthday suit!)

Hate to bother you but I had a brain phart- I meant to say the Revell Promodeler P-47N not the Academy kit.

And you know I may be cracking up - I pulled out the Promodeler P-47N and the Tamiya P-47D and I could not decide so what the hey- please put me down for a twofer. Since both are painted mostly the same way I'll do both at once.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:02 PM

Gamera

Hey Doogs that is some awesome nose art (and it doesn't even have some nice lady in her birthday suit!)

Hate to bother you but I had a brain phart- I meant to say the Revell Promodeler P-47N not the Academy kit.

And you know I may be cracking up - I pulled out the Promodeler P-47N and the Tamiya P-47D and I could not decide so what the hey- please put me down for a twofer. Since both are painted mostly the same way I'll do both at once.

You know what's better than one Jug?

Two Jugs.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 5:22 PM

DoogsATX

 

 Gamera:

 

Hey Doogs that is some awesome nose art (and it doesn't even have some nice lady in her birthday suit!)

Hate to bother you but I had a brain phart- I meant to say the Revell Promodeler P-47N not the Academy kit.

And you know I may be cracking up - I pulled out the Promodeler P-47N and the Tamiya P-47D and I could not decide so what the hey- please put me down for a twofer. Since both are painted mostly the same way I'll do both at once.

 

 

You know what's better than one Jug?

Two Jugs.

Awe C'mon Doogs,

Is there a 'Dynamic Duo' in the works?

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 5:34 PM

Bockscar

 

 DoogsATX:

You know what's better than one Jug?

Two Jugs.

 

Awe C'mon Doogs,

 

Is there a 'Dynamic Duo' in the works?

Looks like we might have a double-double...I'm planning a double build of "Magic Carpet" (Tamiyaback) and "The Bug" (Revellogramback)!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:07 PM

DoogsATX

 

 Bockscar:

 

 

 DoogsATX:

You know what's better than one Jug?

Two Jugs.

 

Awe C'mon Doogs,

 

Is there a 'Dynamic Duo' in the works?

 

 

Looks like we might have a double-double...I'm planning a double build of "Magic Carpet" (Tamiyaback) and "The Bug" (Revellogramback)!

Gosh 'n gee golley Doogs,

I was' thinkin' twins!

I ain't havin' the backround to execute, but man, It Was Your Idea!

Ahem.....nothin' like a pretty pair.......

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:26 AM

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by knox on Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:12 PM

Beautiful mental picture-------- planes, of course!  Doogs, I would like to join in if possible.  Tam. P47D and Promodeler P47N.  Camera is kaput, but hope to get new one soon.  I hope to be in a figure group build, but I always have to have at least one plane build going.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, December 8, 2011 1:11 PM

Gamera

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

...yes...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:25 PM

VanceCrozier

 

 Gamera:

 

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

 

 

...yes...

I recall Doogs mentioning a Twin-P-47 on another thread, danged if I can find it. (Favorite twin engine WWII Aircraft, or something like that?)

I figure it would sorta' look like half a B-29.Wink

I fell  in love with the p-47 rather late in life, I heard a pilot on MC (Gun Camera?) talking about those 8 .50Cal, and how the huge plane would bring it's owner home inspite of massive battle damage.

Yeah, the P-47 proved that bigger really was better, at least when it comes to Jugs.Indifferent

I'm wondering what the rear stabilizer should look like, a lot of weight up front to balance.

I dunno, like the P-38, or P-61?

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Posted by oortiz10 on Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:56 PM

So...

I’m over at The Fossils’ (my parents’) house over the weekend, and I’m helping them put the Christmas lights up on the house I grew up in.  While I was digging around in their garage for the decorations, I come across a small, sealed, unmarked cardboard box and instantly recognize the sound of loose styrene rattling around inside.  I open it up, and am surprised and confused by what I find inside. 

 

I find an old Monogram P-47D. 

 

 

I have no idea where it came from or how it got into their garage.  

I know Doogs' rule say that a build like this is too far along for this GB, but I'm wondering if there might be an exception made for a garage dwelling Monogram mystery Jug?

Cheers,

-O

 

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, December 9, 2011 10:55 AM

Bockscar

 

 VanceCrozier:

 

 

 Gamera:

 

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

 

 

...yes...

 

I recall Doogs mentioning a Twin-P-47 on another thread, danged if I can find it. (Favorite twin engine WWII Aircraft, or something like that?)

 

I figure it would sorta' look like half a B-29.Wink

I fell  in love with the p-47 rather late in life, I heard a pilot on MC (Gun Camera?) talking about those 8 .50Cal, and how the huge plane would bring it's owner home inspite of massive battle damage.

Yeah, the P-47 proved that bigger really was better, at least when it comes to Jugs.Indifferent

I'm wondering what the rear stabilizer should look like, a lot of weight up front to balance.

I dunno, like the P-38, or P-61?

I've seen a few design what-ifs out there...some look rather like the F-82 (which, IMO, is hideous and retarded). 

The coolest design I saw...and of course now I can't find it again to save my life...employed a single-fuselage design a la the Mossie or F7F Tigercat (which packed two R-2800s, don't forget). Fuselage was standard P-47 from the windscreen aft, but up front tapered like a P-38 or Me 262 and bristled with guns. Not sure how packing in the turbo-supercharger was handled, but it's probably the coolest WWII what-if I've ever seen.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 9, 2011 11:42 AM

Hey O, how have you been, I haven't seen you since the old F-4 over a year ago. Looks like a pretty cool kit there.

Doogs: Now that sounds like one heck of a plane!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by oortiz10 on Friday, December 9, 2011 2:03 PM

Gamera
Hey O, how have you been, I haven't seen you since the old F-4 over a year ago. Looks like a pretty cool kit there.

Hey Gamera,

Good to "see" you too.  Yeah, haven't run across you much since that first F-4 GB.  I didn't get a chance to finishing my entries for the go-around.  I'll bust 'em out for the next round.

Anyway, this is about Jugs, not Phantoms.  Hopefully Doogs is cool with me entering the P-47 I found.  Nothing like a GB to keep me on task!

See ya around!

-O

 

 

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by Bockscar on Friday, December 9, 2011 6:30 PM

DoogsATX

 

 Bockscar:

 

 

 VanceCrozier:

 

 

 Gamera:

 

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

 

 

...yes...

 

I recall Doogs mentioning a Twin-P-47 on another thread, danged if I can find it. (Favorite twin engine WWII Aircraft, or something like that?)

 

I figure it would sorta' look like half a B-29.Wink

I fell  in love with the p-47 rather late in life, I heard a pilot on MC (Gun Camera?) talking about those 8 .50Cal, and how the huge plane would bring it's owner home inspite of massive battle damage.

Yeah, the P-47 proved that bigger really was better, at least when it comes to Jugs.Indifferent

I'm wondering what the rear stabilizer should look like, a lot of weight up front to balance.

I dunno, like the P-38, or P-61?

 

 

I've seen a few design what-ifs out there...some look rather like the F-82 (which, IMO, is hideous and retarded). 

The coolest design I saw...and of course now I can't find it again to save my life...employed a single-fuselage design a la the Mossie or F7F Tigercat (which packed two R-2800s, don't forget). Fuselage was standard P-47 from the windscreen aft, but up front tapered like a P-38 or Me 262 and bristled with guns. Not sure how packing in the turbo-supercharger was handled, but it's probably the coolest WWII what-if I've ever seen.

That sounds pretty cool alright. The TigerCat is one super looking plane. Grumman had some great designs, I can see Republic putting another 8 .50Cals on board a bird like that, imagine 16 .5Cals all aimed in the same general direction, that 'ld make a fella duck! Or turn his day into hamburger.

Here's the funny ironic thing, if it were'nt for the deep dip in the fusleage due to the extra equipment, the P-47 would have an incredibly sleek design. The turbo-supercharger would probably continue to make make it look like the Jug profile, sorta like the B-29 engines.

Oh well, no hideous and retarded aircraft should denigrate this thread, a pair o' Jugs is a terrible thing to waste!

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Posted by satch_ip on Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:36 AM

Got my Tamiya Razorback last night for $23.  It was a consignment sale at my LHS.  What a bargain!  What a Country!

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