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Posted by Shellback on Monday, January 23, 2012 1:02 PM

Hey guys , watch this video and look at the track return roller . Sure looks like rubber to me . I'm confused . Was there rubber on these things or not .............................Hmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZX42HybN0

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, January 23, 2012 12:55 PM

ww2psycho

Ah ok, Thanks, and youre welcome. It never made sense to me for them to be rubber, seems like they would fall apart too easily with the tracks running over them constantly.

Well , true , but then the road wheels have rubber tires . And There's the entire weight of the tank on the road wheels where as the track upper rollers only support the weight of the tracks ....................................

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Monday, January 23, 2012 11:31 AM

WW2 - Yes

BILL - Thanks for the illustration / direction of the tissue tarp procedure Beer  Will defiantly be giving it a tryYes

Rob

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Posted by ww2psycho on Monday, January 23, 2012 5:01 AM

Ah ok, Thanks, and youre welcome. It never made sense to me for them to be rubber, seems like they would fall apart too easily with the tracks running over them constantly.

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:56 PM

WW2 I was making fun of myself because I had done my support rollers as if they were rubber.  You are making yours as if they were made of steel and have painted them appropriately the same color as the rest of the vehicle.  I do thank you for correcting my mistake and I am now happy to know better so that my future builds will be correct.

Rob

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Posted by ww2psycho on Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:05 PM

PANZERWAFFE

OOooops is right Embarrassed  Thanks for the correction WW2 and Carl for the reference.  Here is one for the both of ya BeerBeer  Sorry for the miss information.  Just went through a stack of pics that I TOOK! and they all look like steel to me in my own photos.  Went through a few books, has to be some rubber somewhere, and they also look as if they are steelEmbarrassed  Good thing I have only built 2 Sherman's so far.  They were of a special variant.   

So what I meant to say:

WW2 - Great progress on your Sherman so far and I especially like how you depicted the steel support rollersYes  Have known individuals that have done those incorrect before, NICE JOBYes

 

 Thanks everyone!

Um, Im wondering, in which way did you think I depected the steel support rollers? Honsetly I've done to this thing is prime in flat black and paint OD over everything. The wheels were done by painting the Army Helo Drab then using silly putty to mask that part then painted the OD in the middle. There should be a picture of what Im talking about in the StuG GB, I did it the same for that one.

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Posted by BaBill212 on Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:24 PM

WW2,,,   your sherm is looking good. I have seen tools painted the vehicle color and as add-ons. Add-ons lend a bit more pizzazz,,    in my opinion that is.       I have always thought the return rollers were rubber too....  glad to have clarification.

Rob,,,  thanks and the tissue / tarp method I use has worked for me for quite the many years. . .  the most annoying thing is hanging the painted tissue up to dry.      I use the xacto clips to hold the tissue and slide the clips into tiny dowels to suspend the tissue...     this is the setup,, although the tissue is not painted.... I just set this up to illustrate how I do it.......

Hope this helps................

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:20 PM

Toast...................Rob , thats what i like about these G.B.'s , i always learn something . Actually a lot !

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:49 PM

OOooops is right Embarrassed  Thanks for the correction WW2 and Carl for the reference.  Here is one for the both of ya BeerBeer  Sorry for the miss information.  Just went through a stack of pics that I TOOK! and they all look like steel to me in my own photos.  Went through a few books, has to be some rubber somewhere, and they also look as if they are steelEmbarrassed  Good thing I have only built 2 Sherman's so far.  They were of a special variant.   

So what I meant to say:

WW2 - Great progress on your Sherman so far and I especially like how you depicted the steel support rollersYes  Have known individuals that have done those incorrect before, NICE JOBYes

 

Rob

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:36 PM

Anybody got a sherman in their back yard for closer referrence ?????Hmm

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM

Well i've put my foot in my mouth here b4 so here goes .................Stick out tongue. I agreed with Rob about them being rubber , until i saw these pics . These look like steel to me . Yes , i have been painting mine as being rubber .................oooops ! This one is a M4A1 . Heres the link

http://www.worldwar2aces.com/panzer-tank/sherman-tank/

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Posted by ww2psycho on Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:02 PM

I thought the rollers were metal? the instructions dont call out a certain color for it.

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:44 PM

BILL - Going to try your tissue technique.  Thanks for the insightBeer  Yours look really good as dose the builds they are on.

Thanks for the words on the LVT.  Have made the other periscope assembly and they now look the same.  They also now have the actual periscope sticking out of the assemblies and am now going to try to make the domes to go over the top of them.  If unable to make them that will be alright because the domes were usually taken off, just want to see if they can be made.  Went out looking for more screws and was unsuccessful but have found a new store that specializes in trains.  They had many nice things in there and I will be a regular customer.  The owner was a very nice person and was looking up screws on-line and on ebay while I was shopping around.  He may have found some so returning back home have now been on ebay and am hopping that I win a large selection of screws and old watch parts.  May have some screws on the way soon.

Rob

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:31 PM

WW2 - Thats looking greatYes  Nice smooth coat of paint and very clean construction, well done.  She has quite a bit of detail and looks very sharp.  You could pass her for a 1/35 scale.

It seems that I have read somewhere That the early years of the war the tools were often the natural wood color.  After becoming a normal inventory and contracted for the armed forces for the vehicles it was then standard that the tools were painted OD.  Not sure of a date or if this is even true?  Just think I read that somewhere?    I usually paint with the wood color if for no other reason to have some contrast.  Have seen tools painted and unpainted on all year vehicles.  I think you could go either way with the tools.

Dont forget to paint your support rollers with your rubber color too.

Rob

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Posted by ww2psycho on Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:12 PM

Heres the Sherman so far. The top hull is not screwd on to the bottom yet to make it easier to put the tracks on. Im working on the tracks and tools right now.




Still need to do some touch ups from my fingers rubbing against the suspension trying to get to together.

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Posted by ww2psycho on Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:09 PM

Thanks, I always thought that everything came in OD at first then got worn and replaced in the field with unpainted tools. Never was sure though.

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:39 PM

ww2psycho

Were the tools on tanks painted the same color as the tank itself to begin with?

I would say that the new tools came painted o.d. already as a presservative . I remember seeing pioneer tools at surplus stores painted o.d. But the paint would wear off in some areas durring use . The choice to paint them o.d. or natural is yours . In this museum M4 they are both ways .

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Posted by ww2psycho on Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:25 PM

Were the tools on tanks painted the same color as the tank itself to begin with?

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Posted by BaBill212 on Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:22 PM

Carl,,,   a pleasure, always,      and thanks

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:12 PM

Bill , wow , yet another great answer . Thanks you for taking your tine for a definitive anwer . Toast your models look great Bill !

Bill and rob , thanks guys for the help , really . i'll give the methods a try today and let you guys know what the results are .

Thanks again ...............cant believe the help all of you guys are for me Yes

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Posted by ww2psycho on Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:48 AM

I'll get a picture up today, Got busy before.

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Posted by BaBill212 on Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:27 AM

Rob,,   first I wanted to say how well you did with relocating the hatch...   I knew you would not be happy with it the other way,,  excellent work!     I agree with the thought of making another periscope too,,  to keep both uniform.        As far as the screws,,   they look very cool and I am betting you will find some more.

Andy,,  nice haul there,,,  I am thinking about doing a little online shopping myself. I try to limit my purchases to one every few months...     It is much too easy to get into a buying frenzy,,   for me anyway.

Carl,,   the bogies look good as well as the firearms.........

I wanted to throw my tarp / bedroll method into the mix too. Much like Rob, I use tissue and, eventually, diluted white glue. . . .    I will take a whole sheet of tissue and lay it on a, larger, sheet of tin foil. Using my Polly S or similar acrylic paint, I slop onto the entire tissue. No need to be precise, just make sure that the sheet is covered.    I have a funky old japanese Polly S green ( PCJ91 Green A3 - no idea what it was meant for) but it makes a great base coat for bedrolls or tarps.   Use whatever nuetral-ish base coat you like.     Once the tissue is totally painted I clip two ends and hang it up to dry. You can use the tin foil as a drip catcher to be safe.           After drying you can cut sections and roll or fold them up for whatever you need to make.   One sheet lasts for some time...   [For making a bedroll or rolled tarp]  After I roll a section up I use a little water to soften and tie the ends appropriately (using thread).  You can paint and highlight as needed. Add straps, buckles and when placing on your subject vehicle, etc. again plain water witl soften and let it conform to the area it's being placed. You can use a little diluted white glue here too if you want it to hold a shape a bit better.       Once dry you can attach with white glue, ties, straps, etc.

Couple of samples - -

 

 

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:48 AM

Thats great Rob . Thanks so much for taking your time to give me a in depth answer .Yes

The M1 carbine will work well in my dio since these guys are not going to front line types .

Again thanks Rob   Toast

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:31 AM

 When making the bedrolls and such use facial tissue paper.  Think people use many different methods but I find the easiest is to cut, roll and get the rough shape when the tissue is dry.  Tie or strap / bind the roll and when happy with the shape then lightly brush some diluted white glue / water onto the roll.  the glue / water mix is like 50 /50 ratio.  You first just give it a light coat of the glue because you will be able to shape it more once wet but wait a few minutes after you first apply the glue.  If you dont wait and touch it right away the tissue will stick to your fingers.  After it has dried 2 -5 minutes you can do the final shaping and can push or shape onto a vehicle or pack, etc.  Once it has it's final shape you can remove from the model, leave in place if you want it to dry there but it will be permanent and will have to paint in place, and brush a heaver coat of the glue / water on still being careful not to rip or tear the tissue.  Let dry overnight then paint.  Binding you can use many things, string, yarn, PE but the easiest is to cut skinny strips of Tamiya tape and just wrap around like a strap.

The heavier paper that "G" was speaking of is good for things like flags, tarps covering MG's and gear.  It may take a few tries but once you get the hang of it its pretty easy.

Yes, the M1 carbine was made for airborne units and for amphibious assaults and was a weapon of choice because of the small size and light weight (its negative side was the lack of penetration and stopping power).  There were many M1 carbines in the Pacific and was given more to Officers, ammo bearers, MG teams and mortar teams, supply and support personnel, forward observers, and vehicle personnel.  There were some mixed into the front line infantry units also.

Rob

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:16 PM

The bogeys still have a lot of work left to do on them . Thought i'd post a pic to show i'm still in this build .

Rob , no , i havent ever tried the tissue paper for bed rolls and such . It gets soaked in diluted white glue right ? I remember "G" said he uses a heavier paper when he does his . I may experiment ...................Hmm......not sure . Yah .028 isnt much to work with . Is the M1 carbine appropriate for this theatre of was ?

"G", hope you can get the time to start building . That model in the link i posted must of been a wild guess at what is in the B&W photo .

All is good in our little part of the world .............Toast

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:52 PM

WW2 - How did your paint come out?

CARL - Andy is right, thats an MP40.  The M1928A1 and the M1 will work fine.  The rest of the gear will also look good in the jeep.  Have you tried making tissue bedrolls, blankets, etc?  It's not hard and then you could custom fit everything and have as many as you want.

Nicely done on the boogiesYes

The screws were from an old jeweler, gave me a handful of them but these were the last of them.  Think there is a jeweler / watch maker close by my house here, will go out and look tomorrow.  Had tried slotting the end of the styrene rod but with not much luck.  It's just sooo small, will try some more.  The rod and head of the screw is .028 so not a lot of room to put in a slot.  Thats what I was thinking too, make both periscope assemblies the same.  Will let the hatch dry overnight, just glued on before the picture, and then sand off the molded one and put the new scratch made one on.

ANDY - The M1 and Thompson will both work tankers did have them but it was more sought after to have a M1 carbine, 45 1911, or if late war a T26 carbine.  The T26 was the M1 Garand turned into a carbine.

 

Rob

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:16 PM

My wife says its fine with her Andy . I'll back off buying any more kits though . i'm going to get rid of a bunch of aircrft models this year . The store up in Spokane where i bought those half tracks buys collections .

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:12 PM

Well that MP 40 aint going in this build Andy ! Thanks .Now that i look at it again i dont know what i was seeing b4 ...................i even looked it up for petes sake ! Can i go back and edit it b4 Rob reads it ..................Embarrassed

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:08 PM

They dont "Got any screws ."..........................No

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:04 PM

Rob- that's what I thought.  The set comes with Thompson MG and M1 garand.  Like your idea holding a pistol. Maybe a bottle of sake! Heh Whistling

Love the screws.  You are officially crazy! 

Carl- wish I can order that many!  That's when my wife will kill me.  I only ordered two at most if they are on big sale like recently for Xmas. 

You are doing great.  Nice details on the wheels.  The pic of all guns you had... The top one is actually MP40.  My fav German toy!  Let me know if you need a grease gun. I think I have couple here... 

 

Andy

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