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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:55 PM

Hasen , your panther looks great and that figure has an interesting pose . Yes

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Posted by Hasenpfeffer on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:50 PM

Hey guys... don't have enough time to comment on all the specific cool stuff that I've seen from all of you in the past week, so I'll cop out and say "Great work fellas!" BeerStick out tongueYesYes

I've spent the better part of the weekend putting together one side of Friuls and my fingertips are numb and sore. Added some filters and a wash, and have been painting tools. I don't have pictures of most of that, but will soon. You'll have to make due with a few pics of my intended commander in his test position and an overall shot of the stripped down Panther for working purposes.

Dave 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 6:02 PM

Marc , ok  then , since you don't embarrass easily .......Devil.   Hey , The next time i go to that store i'll look see if they still carry it ......i'll use that as an excuse to walk down their model aisle ...............Whistling....................Toast

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 4:44 PM

Yes Carl... I embarrass easily.....

NOT!

If I can't find that stuff with all that info... they don't make it any moreWink

Marc  

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 4:09 PM

Jack , was wondering what happened to you ................Toast

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:22 PM

Damn... my internet was down for about a day and a half, and needless to say when I opened my email it was crammed full of updates from our build.  Once again, just fabulous work from everyone.

Special shout out to Ben - Happy Belated Birthday!!!

I finally got in some bench time, so will post a few pics soon.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Hinksy on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:22 PM

Cheers SMJ,

That's great info re the weathering stages.

Thanks buddy,

Ben :-)

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 1:33 PM

Andy your cables look really ..........Hmm......well done , lol my friend ....i do really like them .Toast What are they made from ? About the track rack on the front armor plate ................did you use a pic as a reference ? The top bar would be unbolted to remove the tracks , right ? Those tracks look really Coolcool !

MArc ..............you talkin to me ? EmbarassedEmbarrassed ? I bet not .Whistling I'm sittin here with my late morning cup of joe Coffee and i still canr answer your question the way i want to . The string / twine is nylon , at least thats what i call it ..it not cotton . It has no loose threads sticking out . I found it at that sporting goods -toys-model store i have mentioned before . It was in the fishing dept. and the twine was wound on a flourescent orange "H" shaped device made of plastic and capable of floatating . It was made by Stren and as i remember it had some kind of sinker on the end . I've looked all over the Stren web site and cant find it . I picked it up about a decade ago .I'm thinking maybe its something for ice fishing ? I bought it for the the twine on it only .i'm not big at fishing even though so i never needed it for that . So in short look at your local fishing equipment supplier . HTH ............. Cat is looking real good with her coat on , i dont see anything that stands out that i would want to call a problem . Toast

 

Bish , much appreciated .Yes

 

Dupes , Eric has / is pretty busy with his delivery job and he asked me to keep track of the finihed builds . As far as i know Marc, Wingnut , is our first and sole completion so far . I cant update the first page but here is a pic of wingnut's build .....more pics on page 81 .

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:55 PM

Dupes, looking forward to seeing that Bergetiger. I have the same CMK kit and am not sure on colour scheme or markings, as the only photos i can find are not very good. So will be nice to see what you come up with.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:52 PM

Ahhhh...the fall contests are over, time to dive into my winter build schedule. Couple of things to clear off the bench and then I can dive into the Bergetiger! Pics to come soon.

T-man - I'm still listed as a question mark on page one. Copy and paste this:

Dupes - Academy/CMK Bergetiger Kitbash

BTW - some awwwweeesome builds so far. Is there a "finished" gallery anywhere? Or should I find some time and plow through the 90 pages of GB?

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:32 PM

deafpanzer:  Love that StuG close-up!...Is that a recent build of yours???  I think I recall that one...it was really weathered nicely overall if I recall correctlyTongue Tied

You perfected that eraser technique but it feels a bit too perfect IMO.  You pushed every slot down versus a "here-and there" random method.  Just my 2 cents...take it for what's it's worth.

Hinksy:  That was me hearing "The Call of the Weathering"...I apologize for not knowing/ remembering how you like to finish your models.   Looking forward to seeing how it turns out!

Concerning your next step(s) questions:  I can't confirm your tool, paint & camo' premise but it sounds logical and/or very plausible. 

Weathering techniques vary a lot but personally I'd get the periscope, chipped zim' & primer, along with any and ALL additional detailing completed THEN add an overall wash (very thin) to pull it all together. Typically I'll add another wash or two using slightly different shades of oils (raw umber, burnt umber and lamp black are my usual favorites)   Those washes tend to gather (or not ) here or there helping the weathering effect.  Then I add the chipping and worn edges in a major drybrushing session or two.  The chipping MUST dry thoroughly before I add the pin washes (raw umber and raw umber w/ lamp black at possible oily build-up locations...maybe even some burnt umber at potential rust areas) to bring out the detail and lines.  When that is close to dry I'll correct anything that might have ran too much, pooled or is just too bold by using straight mineral spirits.  Next up, some local washes to add color and/or additional conrtast...again correcting with straight spirits as needed.

I don't dull coat but I know that's popular...then add pastels. 

Hope that helps/ answers your questions.

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:30 PM

Carl, i will echo what Marc said about the cable. I tried it once with string and it looks awful, its still on the Tiger in fact. It has tiny strands coming out of it. But this stuff looks great.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:01 PM

Outstanding Andy.

 

So Carl... now that you have embarrassed me for calling you BenStick out tongue  you didn't answer the question.

 

We got PAINT!  Base coat has been applied and since I don't see anything that needs to be fixed... but shout out f you do... I cam move onto the camo.

Marc  

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Posted by Hinksy on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:00 AM

Hi fellas,

Armour86 - I LOVE that Pz III dude! Didn't you build that during Andy's epic Pz III GB? It looks excellent! Re my build I'm not much of a PE guy yet but I'm improving and have some bits to be fitted still. I'm just looking forward to getting some dirt on the Tiger and making her look worthy of a spot on the table at our next show! I might be tempted to enter it into the competition if she turns out well enough!

Andy - that PE is looking great! I love the spare track holders on the chin! thumbs up

>Okay, I have a couple of questions. One regarding the colour and painting of my tool clamps and one regarding the best way to aproach the final stages. It might seem like newbie questions but I'm always playing around with the final few stages during a build and never give much thought to 'clamp colour'!

  • Re. the tool clamps:

I'm sure the tank would have left the factory without tools fitted (not sure)? It it had they'd have been the same colour as the tank, if not they'd have been fitted afterwards and I suppose the crew would have oversprayed the tools when they added the cammo BUT I like to use any opportunity to add splashes of different colour so it's 'artistic license' on my part! I suppose that the clamps would have been unpainted metal? Perhaps I should have painted them a bare dark metal colour? Does anyone know as it would be a 5 minute job to change the tool clamp colours.

OR - perhaps the tank left the factory with the tools clamps fitted but not the tools - in that case the clamps WOULD be yellow?

  • Re. the final stages and 'best practice':

Like I said on the last post I know what I need to do but am trying to figure out the best way to proceed?

I need to paint the Periscope lenses and add a light overall wash then a much darker pinwash around recesses etc, add some light chipping and a couple of non-penetrating shell hits and maybe show some missing Zimmerit by scraping a couple of small areas off and painting the spots with red primer?

I'm thinking that whilst she's all glossy I should: finish off any little painting jobs i.e. the damage, Periscopes and chipping effects. Add a light all-over wash and darker pinwashes Add streaking effects/oil dot weathering.

THEN:

I'm thinking of adding the final flat/dull coat followed by: Pigments. Additional light chipping work. Tracks.

What do you guys think. This seems to be the best way to proceed?

Ben smile d

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:05 AM

Marc- Yes Again, great work on your little KT but I don't see a penny anywhere. Stick out tongue  I don't blame ya for feeling that way... I think I need a break from PE soon but you have dealt with so much PE for last two months or so.

Carl- I agree about being careful not to apply too much rust on the steel cables.  The tank crew would not have allowed that to happen at first place.  Sometimes harsh weather gets best of the steel.  Just little rust like I did on my StuG earlier.  I also used ol'faithful #2 pencil on the cable.

Guys- Little update... guards attached.  Thank you for the tip I learned earlier.  Using eraser to bend down the guards without harm.  But I poked few holes as I am still going for weary looking Tiger.

Added PE to the latch locks... 

Used spare Friul tracks and Voyager PE for the racks... need to fill those drilled holes as I had incorrect measurement.  I am so bad at that! Stick out tongue

Bet you I will find some bench time tonight because I am so tired of watching those political ads and news.  

Andy

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:07 AM

I need a macro where I can hit a button and automatically post:

'Great work guys!!!'

Wink

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 1:04 AM

Great work Marc and armor86. That Pz III rocks.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:40 PM

Toast........Marc , the scratch made tools look really sharp .Yes

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:16 PM

I knew that I was going to feel that I was lazy about leaving the 2 molded on tools on the front deck.  Made a new axe and sledge hammer.  And i added the little resin bolts to the fenders.

 

Gotta go down and mix my dark yellow.  Hmmm?  Not what was that recipe...?  1 part dark yellow, 1 part buff, eye of newt and a purple flirp?  I'll start there.

 

 

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:09 PM

A86... 'tis a thing of beauty.

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, November 5, 2012 6:05 PM

Shellback

Marc , you talkin to me ???????????

Ahhhh... Taxi Driver.

Of course I am.  It's that new grammatical algebra.  (X/NxY)/P = Z.  Where X=Andy, N= Bish, Y=Me (the undefined variable) and P=Tony.  I was solving for Carl but used the wrong coefficient and got the wrong answer and solved for Ben.

..........OR.................

 

I just wasn't paying attention. Whistling

Marc  

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, November 5, 2012 5:37 PM

Andy , those mig light / dark rust are some good rust colors but i didnt want this rope to be that rusty looking ....................Yes

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, November 5, 2012 4:55 PM

Armor86- Where have I seen that Pz III before? Huh? LOL  Can't wait to see another great build from your factory.

Carl- Steel cables look SPOT ON! YesYes You used Vietnam Soil?  Never thought about that as I have it too!  I usually use both MIG Light and Dark Rust.  

Old Ben- Sorry I have to call you that for a while since you turned 33 years old. Stick out tongue  Very nice work on the tools!!!  Can't wait to see them weathered next... 

Andy

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, November 5, 2012 4:50 PM

Very well done Panzer III Armor !

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Posted by armor86 on Monday, November 5, 2012 4:45 PM

Hey Ben - nice looking vehicle - I didn't mention lack of weather - I was just talking about Photo Etch after market stuff - weathering my favorite stage of scale modelling too! ... enclosed recently complete North Africa German Mark III .... after dusting it up some. Use MIG pigments ... Armor86 

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Dan

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, November 5, 2012 4:21 PM

Marc , you talkin to me ???????????

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, November 5, 2012 4:16 PM

Ben, i have never seen a tow cable made from any kind of string, thread or twine that looked even remotely convincing.  That looks like 1:1 freakin' steel cable.  Well done sir.  If I wore a hat, it would be doffed.Wink

Now the question... What is that sold as?  Meaning is there specific function for the twine.  If I were to go to the craft store what department would I go to to find that nylon twine?

Marc  

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Posted by Bish on Monday, November 5, 2012 3:50 PM

Ben, looks sweet Yes

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On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, November 5, 2012 3:49 PM

I'm going to have only one wire rope tow cable on my KT . I used the kit provided plastic  " eyes " off of the cables . They are molded as one piece on the cleaning rod racks so some surgery was necessary to clean them up . Afer doing that i drilled out the ends of the ferrules and inserted and glued nylon twine . I painted that dark gray and then dry brushed metalic gray over all . To bring out the depth of the strands in the wire rope i applied diluted artist acrylic black paint . Then i brushed on some Mig vietnam earth , i know thats weird for a German tank but i wanted something with a slight rust color without it looking over done . I dont think these wire ropes actually rusted much , if at all , but some contrast was needed . Everything sealed with a matt finish .

Here's the stuff i started with .

 

And the finished thingy .

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, November 5, 2012 3:37 PM

Steve , thanks for the comment !Toast

Andy , are those tracks small or is that an oversized penny ?Whistling

Ben , your cat looks good with the equipent spread over her stripes !Yes

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