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Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:48 PM

Good evening chaps,

First off-great attention to detail Carl! Very nice Yes

Having had to pop into the office for the bulk of today my anticipated several hours of build time was cut-down to two! Ahh well it's all overtime and with the UK Scale Modelworld Show nearly upon us Brits (November 11th) I'm keen to have some money to spend!

When I got home I decided to look at the instructions and see where I thought It minght be a good point to get to so I could start afresh tomorrow at a decent point. I thought that I may as well get the RB barrel assembled and fitted and the new Brass shackles on and leave it at that - I'll be able to start tomorrow with a shiney new turret to assemble Cool

As I'm planning (but still undecided) to have the rear turret loading/escape door 'ajar' with a couple of spent 88mm cases on the engine deck that have been chucked out of the door I'm probably going to do a very basic internal turret paint job.

I know it's not a lot but here is todays little bit of progress. I cannot believe how quickly this Tiggy is building up. Either I'm getting bettter, Dragon kits are getting simpler or perhaps a bit of both Wink I'm in no way rushing this build so I can rule that out straight away! A lovely kit that, so far, has been a real pleasure to assemble.

Thanks for looking guys,

You'll have a proper update tomorrow!

Ben Toast

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Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, October 6, 2012 7:34 AM

Carl, Oohh Nice! You have got it going ON!!!

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by pyrman64 on Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:48 AM

Carl, Nice job....looks great!  Toast

Greg H

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:37 AM

Carl, where is the "clap, clap" smilie. ? Wonderful attention to the little details my friend.

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, October 5, 2012 11:56 PM

After looking at this picture of the boww machine gun housing on a King Tiger.......

 

And then at my model ..........Hmm.......hmmmmmmmm

 

I decided Idea that i needed to add the recessed weld bead around the housing . I cut the recessed area around the housing by back dragging a file .

 

Then i applied some pro weld into the groove and let it set for a half minute ................Time

 

While the plastic was soft i pusher indentations and ridges into the plastic at small intervals with the back side of the  previousely used file so as  to look like weld beads .

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, October 5, 2012 5:10 PM

Marc - Thanks Mucho! I guess I misused my track terminology as I am using the kit supplied "Indie tracks". Thus this will prove very helpful

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, October 5, 2012 4:23 PM

Joe, I had that link saved so here it is.  Rememebr this is for indie links, not the link & lentgh tracks.

 

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=1737

Marc  

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, October 5, 2012 4:21 PM

SMJ , no the Tamiya indy link kit is a separate item that i had to buy . The Kingtiger kit comes with a nice looking set of rubber band tracks. They are made of the type of material that can joined together with plastic liquid cement .....no having to melt the coonection tabs .Yes

PS , about the camo . I havent gotten that decided yet.........thanks for asking .Beer

 

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, October 5, 2012 4:07 PM

Eric , yes i do have the p. e. screens . I picked them up when i bought the kit .

Their stainless steel . For me i'd rather use brass since its a little softer metal ................but these will be just fine .

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, October 5, 2012 12:29 PM

wing_nut

Thanks for all the comments guys.

Joe I left one link open at the front of the drive sprocket.  The way the road wheels stacks on this with wheels on both side and down the middle of the guide teeth, this will allow me to slide the tracks on from the back.  Well, that the plan anywayWhistling

Hmmm, Indeed? I Like It!

SMJ - Cool! I f you're unable to find the link I'll do some diggin'. Thanks

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Friday, October 5, 2012 9:00 AM

Shellback:  Nice selection!...I've never built a Tiger II but if/when I do this will be the one.  What do you have in mind for the camo'?  Did you say those indies came WITH the kit, or AM?

Hinksy: Nice AM parts...ahhhh...the sweetest words a hobbyist can utter..."The weekend is all mine".  CongratsBeer hope it will be productive.

JOE RIX:  doog wrote a REAL good tutorial on how to do indie links.  I got it from the armorama chat room, unfortunately I don't have the link handy.  I'll make note to bring it in Monday and post it for you.   If I recall correctly you said tanks are somewhat of a new genre for you...this toot' is a MUST and I STRONGLY recommend it! 

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, October 5, 2012 7:54 AM

Thanks for all the comments guys.

Joe I left one link open at the front of the drive sprocket.  The way the road wheels stacks on this with wheels on both side and down the middle of the guide teeth, this will allow me to slide the tracks on from the back.  Well, that the plan anywayWhistling

Marc  

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, October 5, 2012 7:36 AM

Marc -  that is some excellent work you have done so far. I'm intrigued by your approach to the assembly process of your running gear and tracks. This also is my first experience with length and link tracks. Are your tracks all glued together thus facilitating sliding the whole thing on later?

         Joe

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Posted by Hinksy on Friday, October 5, 2012 6:32 AM

Hey guys - everything looking good!

Nice choice Eric - I'm assuming no Zim would be needed for this late war kit. I really like the indy links.

As for me - well, turret assembly starts tomorrow and just in time my order from 'Armour Models' for a Late Version Tiger I RB Barrel arrived this morning along with some Brass Shackles x 4 with fully working and threaded nut and bolt on each shackle. I also ordered a mix of 1.4m and 2m German Brass Antennae (see below - all 1/35).

Tiger I (Late Model)

http://www.armour-models.co.uk/product_catalogue/tiger_i_late_model_/index.html

Shackles (4pcs)

http://www.armour-models.co.uk/product_catalogue/shackles_4pcs_123/index.html

I hope I can do these beautiful objects justice!

Update tomorrow - the weekend is ALL mine Stick out tongue

Ben Toast

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, October 5, 2012 2:17 AM

Clever work there Marc on the screens. Yes

Carl, did you find some PE screens for your cat?

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:05 PM

Eric , this is my submission , Tamiya 1/35th King Tiger .

 

Lots of wheel , idlers and sprockets .

 

The hull went together with no major problems .

 

Just a few sink holes to fill in .

 

I'll be using the Tamiya tracks . I've used these before and they are not to difficult to assemble .

Yes

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:02 PM

Nice build shaping up Marc.  And I'm looking forward to seeing the paper zim.

Bob

 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:02 PM

Nice work Marc .

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:42 PM

Some nice progress Marc. And i am with Cliff, that paper Zimm does look rather nice.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:22 AM

Marc: Lookin' good!  I really like the paper zimmerit, looking forward to seeing it on the model.

Cliff

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:00 AM

Finally some progress on the Tamiya 1/48 Panther G. Sorry, pic heavy for those with slower connections.

 

A couple of swipes with a razor saw turns that Tamiya blob into the engine cover hook it’s meant to be.

 

Ran some Tenax in the groves round the turret and hull to soften and add some welds.  

 

My 1st use of link and length tracks.  This was somewhat difficult and I think due to the fact that because of the metal chassis, also a 1st, the wheels don’t stay on the axle to well.  And the wheels are needed to get the tracks right.  You can see the poster tack used and not yet cleaned off.

 

There wasn’t any PE in the box and I had some screen in the PE spares box.  I used a hole template one size bigger then needed to make a circle on a thin sheet of plastic, put double stick tape over the circle and stuck the screen to the tape.  The screen was fine enough to cut with a blade.  The correct size hole was used to mark the back to as a guide to sand to the finally size/shape.

Marc  

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:00 PM

Thanks ......................................

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 1:18 PM

SMJ , that color of gray would look good up against the regular Dunkegelb and camo .I'm looking forward to seeing that .Yes

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 1:13 PM

pyrman64

Shellback

As far as some barrels being painted in a dark brown , back when i was building Tiger 312 on another site i was told that the reason that its barrel was that color was that it was the primer color ..red-brown .

Gun barrel primer was a dark grey not oxide red.  It had something to do with the heating of the barrel.

Sounds good . I cant dispute your info . On the other site i referred to i was told that the info came first hand from a still living German WW 2 tanker . I dont remember the German tankers name , that would help .

Either color works for me .Yes

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:11 AM

JOE RIX:  Thanks for the comments on my work!

jgeratic:  Thanks for the info on the barrel...those seem like very good explanations for the darker color.

wing_nut: It's definitely not a lighting thing for the darker barrel, but thanks for chiming in!   Paper zim', COOL!...I'll be watching to see how that works out.

shellback/ pyrman:  Thanks for the primer info.

Guys:  I think I'm going to go with dark gray...probably a bit lighter shade of XF-63 German Gray  I't'll be a nice contrast to the dunkelgelb with white camo'.  Thanks again for the info!

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Posted by pyrman64 on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:51 AM

jgeratic1

Grossdeutchland is interesting, in that it along with Lehr, were the only two army units to receive tigers.  The rest went to SS units and the independant heavy tank battalions.

I'm no expert and don't have any of the more recent publications meantioned at the beginning of this thread, but a solid white helmet emblem seems to be origination of this marking.   Variations included a white outline only, and with dark yellow vehicles the white marking could be outlined in black fully, or just the top half - (from Panzer Colors III, Bruce Culver).  

For the black style, I've only seen it on a Panther from this photo and it has been referred to as a low visibilty marking:

Noticed too that Bison has a few decal sets out that include GD tigers, but no helmet markings are provided for on the sheet nor included on the profile artwork.   So no evidence they were used on tigers, but there is always artistic license.


For the barrel question, again I've not seen any official doctrine that called for a different finish.  My guess is that in those photos where it appears darker, it is a replacement barrel.  It's colour could be, as meantioned already, in primer form that has yet to be painted.  It could also be the fact that the vehicle is covered in dust creating that contrast with the new barrel.

regards,
Jack

The only Heer(Army) division to have Tigers in its TOE was PzGrenDiv Grossdeutchland.  Panzer Lehr was assigned independent sPzAbt when needed as it had Panthers in it's PzRgt.

As for PzGrenDiv GD, the black Stahlhelm emblem was used by the PzRgt and from the books I have, only appears to have been put on the Panthers.  The white w/black line on top was used by the StuG Abt.  The rest of the division used the white emblem.  I have seen photo's of the emblem with a black line surrounding it, I believe this was used by the units to PzKorps GD.

Greg H

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Posted by pyrman64 on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:24 AM

Shellback

As far as some barrels being painted in a dark brown , back when i was building Tiger 312 on another site i was told that the reason that its barrel was that color was that it was the primer color ..red-brown .

Gun barrel primer was a dark grey not oxide red.  It had something to do with the heating of the barrel.

Greg H

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." Gen. Wm T. Sherman (11 April 1880, Columbus, Ohio)

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:03 AM

jgeratic1

Sorry, not my intention to have ppl's comps bugged up - but at the time my Norton anti-virus didn't detect anything wrong.

As for them being valid pics of the 508th in Italy, I'm giving the forum posters the benefit of the doubt.  I haven't cross-referenced every single one, but several of the photos credited to  Bundesarchiv do appear on the official German archive site and are similarly captioned as being taken in Italy.

regards,

Jack

Jack , your correct .My post was referring to the link i posted that showed the Panthers in Russia with the winter scheme .

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 1:25 AM

That zimmerit is impressive Marc. Great detail!

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 12:08 AM

Sorry, not my intention to have ppl's comps bugged up - but at the time my Norton anti-virus didn't detect anything wrong.

As for them being valid pics of the 508th in Italy, I'm giving the forum posters the benefit of the doubt.  I haven't cross-referenced every single one, but several of the photos credited to  Bundesarchiv do appear on the official German archive site and are similarly captioned as being taken in Italy.

regards,

Jack

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