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The Official 1943 70th Anniversary Group Build

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G-J
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Posted by G-J on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:18 PM

Just wanted to update, work in progress....

Most of the building is finished...now the main painting can begin.

On the bench:  Tamyia Mosquito Mk. VI for the '44 group build.  Yes, still.

On deck: 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:46 PM

Regarding that transport GB: There will be a radial engine GB at the same time to allow for some crossovers...

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:38 PM

LOL, snap.

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On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:36 PM

LOL. Looks like we crossposted again Big Smile

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:34 PM

Eric, already taken care of. Jump on board.

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And there is a transport GB planned for the middle of the year, the 52 will fit that. Thinking od doing on of those myself.

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On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:33 PM

There is a '44 GB already Wink

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:18 PM

I've been finding pencils to be very valuable for a number of jobs - ship modelers use them a lot. It's a matter of taste no doubt, but when I look at real aircraft and photos I don't see the "crisp" minor panel lines that many modelers seek. The major lines are there, no error, but if you see the smaller ones at all, they're quite indistinct. So something like a Verithin (about $2 per at an art supply store) of black, brown, or gray works very nicely. Much easier to control the effect if you use a light hand because the lines are not very evident unless done a couple or three times. And erasers actually work.

The real world got in the way of modelling so I won't be able to finish the Ju-52 this year. I'll be spending January in Minnesota (yes, you read that correctly and it is nuts) and will be building a RAF plane for the Normandy GB. Pity, the Ju-52 would have fit the 43 theme nicely - think Stalingrad in the first week of January or the mad retreat to the Dnieper later in the year. I could have finished a basic build, but the kit is very sweet and just cries for some serious weathering and it will be first on the bench when I get back.

Been a great GB. Hope someone thinks of doing a 44 theme - I know the Normandy build is there but it's pretty limited in scope and closes in July. 1944 was the most violent year of the war by a country mile in every theater and the combatants had a record number of new planes, tanks and ships to conduct festivities. And many of the big ticket weapons like the Mustang or the German "cats" that first saw action in 43 really belong on the 44 battlefields. (Actually I can think of only a few major weapons - outside of the A-bomb - that debuted in 45. Except for the Pershing all armies major AFVs were deployed in 1944: even the jets had their brief moment in the sun in 1944.)

Happy Holidays everyone.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:21 PM

Testors Enamel Burnt Umber thinned and then cleaned off with generic hardware store thinner.

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:58 PM

Stik, do you use anything special for those washes, or the same as you would for recessed panels.

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On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:50 PM

ajd, I have done plenty of washes with rased panel lines. I try to keep it uniform on keeping the wash on particular sides of the raised panel line- on the trailing edge of widthwise lines and the outboard or lower side of the lengthwise lines. Clean up along those principles and folowing airflow/gravity lines works well.

It can be done. 

The pencil method mentioned above I recommend for aircraft builds that are in lighter colors like modern low vis schemes.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:41 PM

I will second jack. I did a MiG with raised panel lines and ran a pencil along them, worked a treat.

O, finally got back to the 109. The painting is now done. According to the decal instructions, the grey patches on the side, presumably covering older markings, should be RLM 02. But looking at the pics, including one colour one, that didn't seem right. It looked darker and more like the RLM 74. So I made a judgement call and went with that.

  

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 1:14 AM

Might look odd if you try a wash on raised panel lines, likely result will be a dark line on either side of the raised detail.  Maybe lightly  run a dark pencil crayon (with a blunt tip)  along those lines?  

regards,

Jack

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Posted by ajd3530 on Monday, December 23, 2013 10:08 PM

Well, I was unable to solve my checkerboard debacle, so she's taking a last minute change to "Chief Wahoo," a white nosed jug from the same squadron. Not nearly as colorful, but should still be a pretty lookin gal when she's done. Putting on some decals now, hopefully will have some pictures tonight or tomorrow..

While I'm on it, anyone got any tips on how to apply a wash on the raised panel lines of Monogram's?? Thanks!!

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:42 PM

My December issue still hasn't arrived. I guess something went wrong at the post office...

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:22 AM

Lord have mercy. A couple of years back on Phil Flory's board I remember some gent hand masked an extremely intricate checkerboard pattern on a multi-engined RAF WWI biplane and did a great job. It also took him two months for the paint, but it worked. Actually I wouldn't worry so much about the masking itself as masking a curved surface like a cowl. If you have the time you might try to track down 3Ms very thin masking tape (about half the width of the thinnest Tamiya) Some specialty tapes are half that thickness. If someone pointed a gun at my head I'd think hard about hand painting something like that with Vallejo Model Color or some other self-leveling paint. Either that or I'd paint the cowl white, seal it with Pledge and let it cure for a couple of days to prevent any paint peeling off with the tape. Then mask the requisite number of squares - slowly - for the dark paint and seal the sides prior to painting with Pledge to prevent run over - and go for the lowest PSI I could handle.  

Or I'd punt. You're made of sterner stuff than I am. I don't trust extremely elaborate decals - not only are they hard to get right, but for some reason I'm not sure they always look right. So you can bet I'll be leaving checkerboards, giant Indian Chiefs and nude women found on Jugs to braver souls. (I had almost talked myself into doing the Razorback for the Normandy Group Build, but am going with a Revell/Hasegawa Spitfire IX because I'd have to do it in St. Paul and don't want to take on a NMF without all of my gadgets and paints. Might add a Minicraft 1/48 Super Cub dressed for artillery spotting just to keep the alliance in balance.)

Good luck.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by ajd3530 on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:23 PM
Well, I've encountered a P-47 sized problem on my jug. While trying to put on the diagonal cherboard decals on the cowling, I screwed them up. Royally. Under normal circumstances, I'd just do a different scheme. But since I'm doing this for my dad, I guess I'm going to try my hand at masking and painting the checkerboard. All 18 rows. The bright spot in all this (if there is one) is that I DO have another Monogram razorback in my stash. She'll donate her cowling for the cause so I don't have to bother with sanding the messed up one for now.
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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, November 23, 2013 3:26 PM

Eric - wow, you've packed a lot of work into this fine rendition of the Scharnhorst.

I see lots of subtle colour hues in this one, making it very pleasant to look at.  A fine job with the rigging too, looks A1 to me.

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ajd3530 - the jug is looking great, neat work with the stripes.   Like you say, can't go wrong with a two tone scheme.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by ww2psycho on Saturday, November 23, 2013 10:35 AM

I need to build a jug sometime...

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Posted by ajd3530 on Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:12 AM








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Posted by ajd3530 on Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:55 AM

And I wonder why my pictures are just showing up as links...

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Posted by ajd3530 on Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:45 AM

JustAlright, got some paint on yesterday.

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I don't think it looks too bad considering this is the first two-toned scheme I've done since I was 18.

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Its amazing just HOW much better the tail ID stripes look painted on instead of using a decal.

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There's really no comparison.

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, November 22, 2013 8:33 PM

Am done with the 1/700 Tamiya Scharnhorst. A fine kit for its age (I have some build photos earlier in this thread) and any mistakes are mine. Anyone interested can check the build log I just posted in the Ships forum.

Instead, I'd like to make a few comments about another event of significance that took place during 1943 - the final annihilation of the German surface fleet. In the late 30s Hitler had shown great interest in rebuilding the Kriegsmarine battle fleet despite having signed a naval treaty with the UK in 1935. On paper existed Plan Z which would have given the Germans a very large fleet based on big BBs by the late 1940s. (The lack of interest in carriers was remarkable considering how much treasure was being spent on them in the interwar period by the USN, the RN and the IJN.) When war broke out, Admiral Raeder claimed he had been betrayed and told Hitler that all the fleet could do was to die valiantly. (Because of the existence of ASDIC the KM had also underestimated the importance of submarines. The KM's high command were not the brightest bulbs in the Wehrmacht, but at least they were the most overtly Nazi which Hitler liked.) Lacking a coherent doctrine to match the fleet that existed in 1939 Raeder and company - often at Hitler's urging - promptly went out and fulfilled the prophesy made.

Considering the paltry damage done to British commerce done by German surface ships one must conclude that the KM's capital ships existed primarily to boost British morale. The Graf Spee's end in 1939 was the only thing that went right for the Chamberlain war cabinet at any time until May 1940 and boosted Churchill's standing greatly. The David vs Goliath image created was a huge boost for British morale. The only real bright spot for the KM surface fleet was the dandy operation, despite extreme haste in planning, that led to the occupation of Norway. Yet even here the damage had been serious enough to leave the KM with even slighter resources for the astounding possibility of invading Britain in July-September 1940. The Bismarck folly in my view was a greater British victory because of the Hood's loss. The Brits love dead heroes as long as things come out all right. Indeed, the only thing done right was the audacious "Channel Dash" in 1942 which was, when looked at closely, a well handled retreat.

The Germans had decent ships but it's hard to single out any actually built as being innovative. Even Bismarck and Tirpitz were improved Bayern Class dreadnoughts. Gneisenau and Scharnhorst proved my Star Wars theory of World War II weaponry - the bad guys had all the neat looking weapons. And handsome vessels they were. But let's not forget that these were 30,000 ton warships carrying 11" guns. (During an Atlantic sortie Scharnhorst refused two attacks on convoys because they were escorted by RN slow battleships mounting 15" guns. The sinking of Glorious is oddly rarely mentioned - probably because it was something of a low point in RN tactical finesse.) Here's Scharnhorst in the summer of 1943 wearing its complex last camo scheme:

Arguably there was a good alternative to the slow but steady death march for the KM in WWII but it would have required the assumption of a long war - something Hitler refused to believe in knowing it would mean defeat. Hitler thought little to admire in  Admiral Tirpitz and there was little reason to do so. However, Tirpitz, while the Kaiser was building the High Seas Fleet, has advocated Mahan's idea of the "fleet in being." Having an inferior fleet, so went the argument, would tie down more enemy vessels in the dominant fleet during a blockade. Had the KM decided to abandon the foolish commerce raiding policy they could have husbanded a formidible surface fleet even compensating for the losses in Norway. A fleet with Bismarck, Tirpitz, the "pocket battleships", Scharnhorst & Gneisenau in addition to Germany's fine crusiers and DDs would have required a very large British fleet to have maintained a successful blockade. Some serious defenses would have been needed to protect against air attack, and enough duties found in the Baltic to keep the crews sharp. But had this been done, the Germans might have seriously hampered the deployment of RN warships that proved so invaluable in the Med and crucial at Normandy. We'll never know because by Normandy the KM didn't exist as a fleet.

Having failed to destroy British commerce in the Atlantic, Raeder and Hitler decided to fail to destroy British commerce inbound to Murmansk. In December 1943 Scharnhorst was the last man standing. Hitler wanted to dismantle the ship and use its guns on the Atlantic Wall - a very good idea in retrospect. Doenitz, now running the whole KM, convinced Hitler for one last chance at dealing the Brits a nasty blow. By this time Scharnhorst had been moved to Alta Fjord (or Altenfjord) which is the farthest north town on the planet and not far from Murmansk. The elaborate camo given Scharnhorst in summer presupposed a surface action during a 23 hour of sunlight day. The battle came in a 23 hour of darkness day and was meaningless. When Scharnhorst sortied on December 26 1943, the British code breakers were ready and two RN task forces were between Alta and two British convoys. There was a serious gale and blizzard, bad enough that RN cruisers could not make top speed and giving Scharnhorst its lone advantage. The advantage didn't help with Duke of York which was also present. In the first engagement RN cruisers knocked out Scharnhorst's radar. A sane admiral would have headed for home. KM Admiral Bey, however, knew the existence of the German surface fleet was at stake and, after out running the first cruiser task force, turned back to the North, just as Adm Fraser on Duke of York thought would happen. Although it was torpedoes from cruisers that finished the deal, it was fitting that it was gunfire from Duke of York that destroyed two of Scharnhorst's turrets and wrecked a boiler slowing the vessel to 10 knots. The last act took place under British flares during a gale at night - it was actually fortunate that 36 of the Scharnhorst's crew were rescued. Some 1900 men perished. A miserable end for the KM. But it certainly built British morale. Maps and a couple of pics below.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, November 22, 2013 8:49 AM

Looking good so far ajd

 

 

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Posted by ajd3530 on Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:42 PM
Got it together. These are. From a few days ago. Getting the OD ove neutral gray on this evening.





Sanded the old monogram stamp of the bottom of the stablizer
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Posted by ajd3530 on Monday, November 18, 2013 9:34 AM

Ok guys, finally got photobucket working, so time for a few pics.

Monogram P-47D razorback. If you don't mind the raised panel lines, this kit isn't that bad at all. Especially when you conside I got it on ebay for $7 with free shipping.. Anyways, if I were to make this model again, I would try to find an older boxing (maybe the mid 70's white box) because these molds are showing some age. The date on the stamp says 1967. But with some sanding of parts, dry fitting, and patience, the fit is still pretty good.

Here's the cockpit box. Not great detail, bit it will do, for me at least. This was also my first attempt at dry brushing, and I already learned a few things while attempting this, so I believe next time results will be better.

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Posted by ww2psycho on Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:11 PM

Its not 100% done but I'd say 98%, just needs some touching up with the air brush and to add the machine gun along with the tow cables on the side.

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Posted by ww2psycho on Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:13 PM

I started decaling the tiger last night, only two more to go. One of the decals looks like it started to come up after I made sure it was pressed flat. I already sprayed a flat coat over it. Not sure if there is anything I can do but I'm going to mist some of the base coat over all the decals before I'm done, maybe it will help make it look better.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:03 PM

I doubt it... everybody was in "for the duration", and the end of the war was not in sight until early 1945... Except perhaps for a few weeks in late summer 44 in Europe

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:11 PM

Like I said, I am definatley interested in a "44" GB. And, I still will help out if need be.

I remember hearing a catch phrase the guys had for 1945: "Home alive in 45" Did they have one for 44?

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:24 PM

Well I for one am sure interested in a 1944 GB. But I am planning an all inclusive Vietnam GB (air, land, & sea) starting in August next year to co incide with the 50th anniversary of Tonkin Gulf. And my current Latin American Aircraft GB will still be running thru May. I can run a 1944 GB if nobody else steps up to do it. I am not planning on leaving here.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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