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Twin Boom Group Build 2013

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  • From: Borlando Fla home of the rat
Posted by TREYZX10R on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:15 PM

Clemens I've built the academy P-38M Night lightning and it was a decent kit except for some minor canopy fit issues and the main gear bays are very sparse,also the gear door mountings are pretty ugly.

Tony either one would be cool,but the Venom has my vote;)

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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:31 AM

Excellent P-38 Joe. that is an inspirational build.

I bought a Cyber Hobby 1/7 Sea Venom. Now I don't know wheher to kick off the Sea Vixen for this GB as I promised, or the Sea venom, which I find more attractive.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Saturday, April 27, 2013 3:24 AM

I'm looking forward to building it as well...

I have that kit laying around here for months now, because everytime I want to build it, I get distracted by something else.

I hope this ends good, as I'm a bloody beginner in this hobby...

Has anyone of you experience with the Academy Lightning? I just bought this kit relatively cheap (37€ instead of 52€) at a local modelling fair, without even having a look at it. I just thought: "It's from Eduard, so it can't be that bad"

Don't expect too much from me though.

Btw: as I said before, I will take my time with this, as I have two other projects to finish.

If you want, you can help me on deciding on a marking option for my entry in the "Forces of Nature" GB.

Cheers, Clemens

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  • From: Borlando Fla home of the rat
Posted by TREYZX10R on Friday, April 26, 2013 7:30 PM

Welcome to the g/b Clemens.thats a great scheme looking forward to your build!

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, April 26, 2013 9:07 AM

Joe, thats a beautiful Lightning you built there. I like that story too btw. It's the reason i bought my Lightning... (what a strange coincidence)

You inspired me for sure.

I'm in with the Eduard Lightning (basically tha academy one with lots of AM stuff in the box) as soon as I finish with my first Cobra (1943 GB) and the P-47(Forces of nature GB)

I will have a go at this marking option:

Clemens

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:53 PM

Beautiful bird, Joe!  As I said elsewhere, love the color choice.

Gary

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:01 PM

Joe that is truly a masterful looking build,excellent paint work! You sure set the bar extremely high with this one! I'm updating the front page,if you have a photo you prefer just let me know. It was great of you to join in and it sure added to the g/b thanks!

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:00 PM

Joe, that bird is a beauty. Thats a really great finish, great work.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:54 AM

Beautiful Lightning Joe,

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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  • From: Olmsted Township, Ohio
Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:21 AM

Thanks for all the compliments folks.  I finally finished my example of what the German folk called  "Der Gabelshwanz Teufel", or "Forked Tail devil".  Its done in the markings of Robin Olds 479th FG P-38J. Olds was a 12 kill ace and on August 25th 1944, he actually shot down a 109 in this very plane while in glide mode.  He was closing in on the 109 and both his engines quit because he forgot to flip the switches to the other fuel tanks. He gave the 109 a belly full anyways which then sent it down in flames.  He then restarted his engines and continued about his business.  Its stories like this that inspire me to build certain subjects. 

Anyways, as I said earlier, the Hasegawa P-38 is no walk in the park but by no means unbuildable either.  With a little sanding here, rescribing there, patience and some good old fashioned modeling skills, it makes into a fairly nice P-38.  I tried to point out some of the areas of concern throughout the build, with most of it being where the booms attach.  I also had trouble getting the main landing gear doors on.  This is a poor design and they just don't like to stay glued on.  I ultimately used Gorilla super glue and they seem to be holding for now.  The canopies, collectively, are another weak area of the kit.  They just don't fit right.  After fiddling with their positioning, I went with "good enough".  I did use Ultracast wheels which I felt were better than True Details.   

I hope this build thread has inspired some of you guys to yank that Hasegawa P-38 out of the stash and give it whirl. Here's some pice and thanks for having me in the Group build.Wink

          

Thanks for Having me.  Comments are always welcome.

Joe  

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:09 PM

Joe the lightning is looking absolutely outstanding!

Eathis like what you've done so far,decided on a paint scheme?

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Posted by shivinigh on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:18 PM
Love the Lightning Law. It always was my favorite WW2 fighter. I agree with the Alclad clear coats I use them all the time. Still use futre for weathering and decalling but use the Alclad for final coat.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:02 PM

VanceCrozier

Beautiful Lightning Joe - how did the Hasegawa kit go together? You may have WiP pics I haven't seen yet, haven't gone back to catch up on this thread yet :(

Thanks for all the positive feedback guys.  Vance, there are work in progress pics a few pages back and they are all relatively close together since this thing went together so fast.  This might actually be a record since I remember my G taking much longer.  The Hasegawa P-38 is quirky to say the least, but I found some tricks that work and are explained in detail.     

Eatthis, I'm digging the Griffin powered twin boom Spitfire. I can't wait to see it done.   

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by GAF on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:52 PM

lawdog:  I really like that color on the P-38.  It reminds me of the argument about what color Sopwith aircraft were painted.  Green or greenish-brown.  I know what I'm going to try to replicate on my P-38 (when I get to it).

eatthis:  You continually surprise me with those fantastic flying machines.  Will this one be done in NMF too?

Gary

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Posted by eatthis on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:45 PM

that lightning is fantastic!!

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:42 PM

Joe, thats looking amazing, great weathering and the stripes look really nice.

I don't like how the edit function works on the new PB, a lot more hassle than it used to be.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:26 AM

Beautiful Lightning Joe - how did the Hasegawa kit go together? You may have WiP pics I haven't seen yet, haven't gone back to catch up on this thread yet :(

I agree with you on the "new Photobucket". I was offerred the beta version before it started becomming standard. Figured I'd take it as it would have to happen eventually. My reaction was "Looks prettier, less functional". How....modern!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:44 AM

....and a few more (now that the "New and Improved" Photobucket is working again).  What was wrong with the old version? If it ain't broke don't fix it.  Anyways, I'm about to give her a Flory Wash and start assembly of the gears and canopies.  I got some True Details wheels but I'm not crazy about them. These aren't their best work. I may go with Ultracast. 

I must say, if it wasn't for the the invasion stripes, Robin Olds plane was kind of boring.  Not even a serial number on the tail. 

Joe

 

 

 

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, April 8, 2013 8:31 PM

I'm in the home stretch now.  I removed all the tape and here's how she turned out and I'm pleased so far.  No bleed under anywhere.  My paint trick in conjunction with Tamiya tape works everytime.  I added some more post shading and the distinctive supercharger exhaust staining along the booms.  In pictures this looks chalky white.  For this I used dilluted Buff XF-57 lightened with a touch of Flat White XF-2.  I then used dilluted NATO Black XF-69 and added a few thin streaks from the exhaust pipe to add depth.  I also painted the props and hubs too and its ready for a clear coat. 

I gave the airframe a coat of Alclad Gloss Coat for decals.  This stuff is great and dries quickly.  You could probably start decaling in few hours but I usually let it cure overnight to be safe......or in other words, forget Future.  The Kits World decals worked well but only a handful were applicable to my subject, the plane specific ones, the "no step" window frame warnings, and the prop logos.  The rest I sourced from an old Superscale sheet.  This burns me, I shouldn't have to do this for what this sheet cost, its just silly.   Anyways, I'm reasy to start assembly.

Joe 

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by eatthis on Saturday, April 6, 2013 2:16 PM

the booms are glued to the centre section but the props and outer wings are just shoved on for the pics

3 griffons + contrarotating props + 8x20mm cannons = VERY fast VERY nasty fighterplane

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 5, 2013 11:33 AM

Joe, thast looking sweet.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 5, 2013 3:03 AM

I managed to get more done this morning.  Sometimes once I get going on something...I can't stop (like eating a bucket of the Colonel's original recipe...thats another matter).  I used Blue Tac rolled up into worms to mask off the demarcation lines.  This stuff works great for this task and leaves a nice feathered edge.  Since the diagram on the Kit's World sheet is so small (sigh), I used the instruction sheet's drab bird as a rough reference. I figured most drab Lightnings were painted the same way. 

Have you ever noticed the tape lines on the engines and gun bay panel lines of the drab P-38?  Alot of Lightnings had them.  I'm not sure why they were there, perhaps they were part of the shipping process overseas? Got me, but hey were all over the nose and nacelles.  I recreated them by spraying XF-49 Khaki then using strips of Tamiya tape in a pattern while using a picture I had as a reference.  I did this on my P-38 G and was pleased with how it looked. 

This was my first experience with Gunze Aqueous Olive Drab.  I love it. Its the perfect balance between green and brown.  I cut it with Tamiya X-20 and it started off a bit transluctent but once I got the ratio right, it was like silk. 

I added a bit of XF-49 Khaki to the paint and sprayed the condensation streaks.across the top of the wing.  I've read that Olds and his crew waxed his aircraft to get a bit of extra speed out of them.  With that in mind, I dialed back a little on my normal streaking process.  I'm shooting for barely noticeable once its all done.  I then taped off the control surfaces and sprayed them this color to break up the OD a bit.  So far, I'm pleased how Scat II is turnng out. 

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:12 PM

Hello folks. I'm in for a little update.  Over the last few days I got the airframe to the "good enough" stage, which consisted of rescribing a few lines here and adding some rivets there.  I think I'm reasonably happy with it now.  Unfortunately, "good enough" is pretty much as good as it gets with the Hasegawa P-38.  I decided on Robin Olds "Scat II" from the 479th FG for two reasons.  First, I was intrigued by the challenge of putting full invasion stripes on the P-38.  Second, I have yet to add a plane with full invasion to my collection, so its time.    

I started by preshading all the panel lines with Flat Black (XF-1).  I then sprayed the area where the stripes would go with Flat White (XF-2).  Since there will be alot of taping, I cut this with Tamiya Lacquer thinner for extra bite. 

My research concluded that the stripes on twin engine fighters were supposed to be 24 inches wide.  I estimated this translated to just over a 1/4 inch in 1/48 scale (not my area of expertise).  I taped this off on my little steel ruler.  Using my trusty Tamiya tape sliced into thin strips and the decal sheet diagram as a reference.  I taped off the white stripes and checked the width(s) with the ruler as I went.  I then filled it in leaving the area to be pained black exposed.  Its not perfect, but they were far from perfect on the real aircraft.  A word on the "Kits World Warbird" decals....what a jip! (ok three words).  For 13.00 bones we get limited stencils and no insignias?  These better perform flawlessly.....13.00?....get real!

I then sprayed the black stripes with Flat Black (XF-1).  For this I cut the black with 91% Isoprophyl since it dries almost immediately on contact which allieviates the possibility of bleed under.  Try it...it works.  These were then taped off.  The rudders were sprayed XF-7 Flat Red and taped off. 

It was now time for the Neutral Grey bottom.  I took XF-53 Neutral Grey and added a bit of XF-2 Flat White for scale (Tamiya's Neutral Grey just seems a bit dark to me).  I then lightened it more and added condensation streaks along the bottom from front to back.  I use low pressue and high speed. 

Once I was satisfied with the effect, I went back with a dilluted mixture of XF-69 NATO Black and XF-64 Red Brown and highlighted some panel lines.  This is done now then it will be done again later to add depth to the paint. 

The Olive Drab upper surface is next......Stay tuned. 

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:33 PM

Looking AWESOME Lawdog!!!!

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:21 AM

Lawdog,

Very nice work on the P-38.  This kit builds up really nice but does take some to get everything to line up.  Looks like you nailed this one!  I've followed your painting techniques on your last few builds and plan on trying your technique myself.  Can't wait to see paint pics!  

Steve

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, March 30, 2013 2:47 AM

Greetings all.  I'm slowly but surely moving along on this turkey.  I got the landing gear and doors painted.  I really wasn't sure what colors to paint the doors and bays.  The general consensus seems that they were either Aluminum on NMF planes or sprayed Neutral Grey on OD over NG subjects.  I went with Neutral Grey (XF-53).  I did lighten it up a bit for scale using Flat White (XF-2).  I then weathered them with a diluted mixture of NATO Black XF-69 and Red Brown XF-64.  This technique creates shadows and the illusion of dirt.  

Onward towards construction.  Lets face it, there's really no easy way to build this airframe.  Alot of it is just Kelly's Johnson's unique design.  That aside, the fit is just downright bad in certain areas, most notably where the booms meet the upper wing by the supercharger and the seams on the side of the gun access panels to the wing root.  I can only compare the latter it to assembling the engine nacelles on the Monogram B-17 (for those who've built that).  That said though, if you dry-fit, do a little chopping here and filling there, alot of the issues can be dealt with.  Here's how I did it:

1.  First I closed the pilot/gun center pod and sealed it with Tenax, my glue of choice.  Sorry, but I forgot to take pictures of this process here but I'll explain it thoroughly. Its pretty much modeling 101.  The pod closes like a clamshell with a seam that starts at the nose and goes all the way through to the wingroot.  The resulting seem here is pretty bad and will need alot of sanding and filling.  Once all glue was dry, preferably overnight, I masked off as much detail as possible then used 180 grit paper in the seam.  I like Tamiya's sandpaper.  This is a nice course grit and evens things out quickly. Follow it with 320 grit which starts to smooth it out (2.  I then run over the seam with a silver Sharpie.  This works like a charm and reveals any seam issues.  Actually, I use this trick on all my builds.  I then fix gaps or holes with super and accelerator. Then sand flush.  Repeat as necessary.

3  Once satisfied, I rescribed any lost detail.  On this guy, I ended up rescribing the gun access panels because they were fairly soft anyways.    

Its now time assemble the booms and add the "J" version inserts.  Just like Hasegawa P-40 series, the plugs dont fall on panel lines so there was alot of sanding and filling. It was just a matter of "precision" sanding using the above process.  The panel lines on belly of the engines were soft too and needed rescribed.  I then added the gear bay guts and then attach the booms to the pod. 

Now for some pictures.  This is what it looks like from the top and where most of the boom alighment problems start. 

Now...I'm convinced the green circled area is where the fit problems start.  The piece indicated by the red arrow in the second picture seems to be the main culprit. 

  

The remedy?  Well, I just sanded out as much of this plastic as I could then chopped off the plastic indicated by the red arrow (both sides of boom) with an Exacto knife.  Now the booms sat as intended.  Don't get me wrong, the area will still need lots of the above outlined sanding and some rescribing, (4 hours worth to give an estimate) but at least the crooked boom problem will be solved. 

The rest of it went together in typical Hasegawa fashion.  I'm gonna check my seams with primer, fix any flaws, then get ready for preshading and paint.  I suppose I better decide on a scheme soon. 

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by eatthis on Friday, March 22, 2013 8:00 PM

yeh 72 scale made from 4 kits lol

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Friday, March 22, 2013 7:52 PM

Eatthis welcome to the g/b! That is a very cool concept ,like what you've got going on! I'll add you to the roster,thats 1/72 scale correct?

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Posted by eatthis on Friday, March 22, 2013 7:21 PM

im making a twin boom tri engined escort spitfire for a what if gb heres where im at




im trying to find some cheap contraprops for it and i might use griffon engines just for silly hp

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 22, 2013 3:19 AM

Joe, great start. The pit is looking good. You set a high standard with your 190, so i'm expecting more of the same Wink

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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