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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:27 PM

Bish -  looking great, I think that build will look very impressive once done.  As far as weathering goes, the wing surface rib detail is where most of the work is.  Subtle approach is best, by creating a slight shadow along the sides of each rib.  Other than that, there is the normal dust and dirt thrown up by prop splash and perhaps the wheels.  I think it would be correct to have some slight chipping on the metal frame work of the engines, along with some oil streaks perhaps.

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Regarding the curtains on the Roland, looking at reviews of the Eduard kit., it states the decals represent painted on curtains, and not actual drapes.  I think we are witnessing some WW1 humour here, and they were just that - a crewman's artistry at work.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:37 AM

Greg, thansk for the info. I am certain the stitching isn't any inspection panels as there is quite a lot of it along the fuselage sides with one line going front to back. Photos i have found do show somthing but not distinctive stitching. Maybe Airfix just wante to show it for some nice detail.

I think some dry brushing with a very fine brush is in order. Ye, it is a bit of a challenge, but i am enjoying it now.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by gregbale on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:41 PM

Bish

Also, these some stiching along the sides of the fuselage. It is of course very small, so not sure if i can do anything. But just woundering if this would be the same colour as the rest of the air frame.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Bish:

If the stitching reresents seams where covering panels are put together, then they would have been taped over, doped and painted the same color as the rest of the fuselage. (Same would go for stitching on wing ribs, etc.)

Not familiar enough with the 0/400 to know where the inspection panels were (I presume there were some), but these were usually laced up with distinctive zig-zag or diagonal lacing. That was occasionally painted over as well, but more often a brown or black cord color.

In 1/72, a little drybrushing to highlight the molding would probably be great for either one.

Truly inspiring work on a challenging bird!

Greg

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:45 PM

shivinigh

I have been looking through alot of sites and a couple books cause the curtains puzzled me as well but haven't found anything about them. Lots of pictures I have seen show the curtains just not a reason for them. The windows were for view sideways and down cause the Rolland had poor lower visibility due to it's wing design which made landing a hazard.

Well I think the reason is that the side openings were not glazed. The guy could lean out and look down.

So when he wasn't doing that, he'd close the drapes to make the thing less of a wind tunnel inside.

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Posted by shivinigh on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:43 PM

I have been looking through alot of sites and a couple books cause the curtains puzzled me as well but haven't found anything about them. Lots of pictures I have seen show the curtains just not a reason for them. The windows were for view sideways and down cause the Rolland had poor lower visibility due to it's wing design which made landing a hazard.

Falcon: here is a site to check out for a history and a list of what colours were used in what year. Also pilots and maps for area of operations.

HMJ11 LFG Roland C.II.htm

I am painting mine the the dark green and lilac that was used in april 1917

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:03 AM

John,

You should be able to download it off the initial post. There are two to choose from.

Tim

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Posted by falconmod on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:00 AM

Tim,

  Where do I get the ribbon again?

John

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:47 AM

Gentlemen,

Sorry I didn't post yesterday. Little crisis concerning my aileron decals, plus lots of work at the office.

The ailerons first: I botched 'em. After a long weekend of way too much excitement, I thought I'd relax with a little decal time. However, I discovered that my mental preparedness was way below the mark. So, the ailerons are not so good. Aaron and I ransacked his kit D.VII for replacement four-color decals, only to find that his were missing--luckily he's doing the five-color lozenge camo pattern. So, it was Chuck Davis to the rescue with some extra four-color camo from his D.VII. He didn't have the ailerons handy, but he had enough extra of the pattern to send me some.

So, now to remove the decals, make some new ones, and stumble on.

Work: We're getting the July issue all buttoned up this week. Plus, shooting new videos, editing others, and getting Aaron ready for his trip to AMPS. Busy week.

Jack - Rock on! I love the engine grime.

Shiv - That is coming along very well. Why did the C.II have curtains?

Guys, everything is looking fantastic!

P.S. Falcon, don't forget to get your ribbon (I like ribbon better than badge; don't know why. Call it what you will, it's yours!)

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Posted by shivinigh on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 AM
Falcon. I looked at some colour schemes and seen the violet/green mostly. I also saw a pure white when which looked nice.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:26 AM

Hey, the nice work continues guys.

Shivinigh: Looks good, I love those curtains too!

Jack: I can smell the grease and oil! Love it! I wouldn't worry too much about the placards- I figure the production guys probably just slapped 'em on.

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Posted by falconmod on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:21 AM

Thanks for the  congrats guys,  it's been a fun and educational build for me.

shivinigh - I just got the same Roland kit last week and was just going to start it, I'll be watching your build with interest.  it looks like another great Eduard kit.  have you done any research into the color scheme, from what I've found there is some controversy over the violet/green Vs.  green/chestnut combination.

Wish Eduard would give something other than Mr. Color paint references,  mostly MM and Valleo ay my LHS

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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Posted by shivinigh on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:20 AM
Incredible job Falcon. Grats on being the first to finish. I have alot of work to do to match that.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:38 AM

falcon, thats a beauty. Lovely paint job. And congrats on being the first completed.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:35 AM

Chuck, great work. Love the look of the prop.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, April 15, 2013 9:02 PM

Man, I'm very much enjoying all the updates flying in. You fellas are churning out some great stuff! Yes

Chuck - great work so far! The 'pit looks superb and the engine looks like the real deal. Also, I'm gonna have to snag one of those PE prop masks. Tried making my own but it didn't go very well.

John - congrats on the first completed build, and it's a beaut! Nicely done, and miles ahead of my first bipe!

shiv - nice to see you've healed up well enough to get in some bench time. That's some excellent work on display. Always liked the Roland, so I'll be watching this one closely.

Jack - wooohooo!!! Progress pics! Been waiting a while for these, and they were worth the wait. That engine is the bomb!! Great work!

Mike

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, April 15, 2013 6:11 PM

Falconmod - grats on being the first completion.  Agree with what others have said, the rib work has nice shading, particularly on the undersides.  The prop also looks the part. Yes

shivinigh - great start... looks to be some very delicate dry brushing on the inside fuselage? - looks cool. Yes

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Finally threw some paint on the engine.  Only thing not happy with is the two PE placards on the port side.  Even with slow setting glue, it took too fast and couldn't get them properly leveled.  Should be alright though, as once it is situated in the fuselage will likely not even been seen.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by shivinigh on Monday, April 15, 2013 5:57 PM

The fuselage halves are done. I love the decals of the curtains on the windows.

the instrument panel. I put a drop of Micro Kristal Klear over the instruments

and the pilot seat. Nead a bit more work than will be ready.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by shivinigh on Monday, April 15, 2013 5:47 PM

Ok now that I am mobile figured that it is time for some WIP pics. here is the box and kit parts.

here is the Mercedes D III engine. I painted it flat black than used Alclad white aluminum and Alclad polished brash to dry brush it

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, April 15, 2013 4:39 PM

Just got caught up on the vlogs.  Pretty nice guys.  I like the way you worked us into the live action.  Thanks for that.

Got my fingers crossed for some bench time tonight.  I am falling behind.

Marc  

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, April 15, 2013 2:33 PM

Tim Kidwell

GMorrison

Tim- would you include the scale in the description on the first page. Or maybe when they are posted finished?

All of the scales are included on the first page. Are they not showing up for you?

??? old-timers disease.

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, April 15, 2013 1:50 PM

Tim, Chuck, Gamera, gregbale:   Thanks for the comments, for my first WW1 subject it has been a lot of fun,  and I'll say again I really like the eduard kits.  Coming form mostly jets the rigging was so far out of my norm,  but I hope the next one I do will be even easier.

gregbale -  it is actually .004 dia. smoke colored nylon quilting thread.  I got it at Joann fabrics, I'll post the actual name once I get home to read the spool.

And I only dropped it once!  Oops

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Posted by gregbale on Monday, April 15, 2013 12:42 PM

Falconmod    Congrats on the first strike! Elegant and beautiful. Is that fishing line for the rigging?

Chuck            Great engine, great interior, and that prop is a thing of beauty!

John               Love the Liberty engine! Can't wait to see more.

Greg

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 15, 2013 12:09 PM

FM: Wow, that's beautiful work, I love the shading on the wing spars on the underside of the wing.

Looking forward to the Albatros.

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Posted by Chuck Davis on Monday, April 15, 2013 11:32 AM

Falcon - Excellent job, sir!  Congrats on a great build - and so fast., too!

John - thanks for the engine info, that makes much more sense.  The manifold has a bit more color to it than shows up in the photo.  I hope I can get it to all come together in the end

Chuck Davis

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Monday, April 15, 2013 11:06 AM

GMorrison

Tim- would you include the scale in the description on the first page. Or maybe when they are posted finished?

All of the scales are included on the first page. Are they not showing up for you?

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, April 15, 2013 10:56 AM

Congratulations Sir!

Tim- would you include the scale in the description on the first page. Or maybe when they are posted finished?

My Felixstowe (unfinished) is 1/72.

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Monday, April 15, 2013 8:45 AM

Falconmod - Good job! Excellent looking bird. Congratulations on being the first to get the GB ribbon. I'll copy the 3/4 shot and post it under your name on first post.

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, April 15, 2013 8:18 AM

Hey now!   Nicely done.   The 1st completion inthe build is a beauty.

Marc  

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, April 15, 2013 8:08 AM

I think I'm done!  spent 2 hours Friday night rigging and about 4 on Saturday, then Sunday I coated it with flat.  Rigging is sure a exercise in patience and wishing I had a third hand!  Very happy with this Eduard kit.  I just started a 1/72 L-39 of there's, a weekend edition,  then I think I'm going to do Albatros D.V  with the dragon on the side. Big Smile

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1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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