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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:07 AM

Looking good stik!

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Posted by silentbob33 on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 6:10 AM

Thanks stik, I tried turning the pressure down to around 20 psi, but maybe I just didn't go low enough.  What pressure would you recommend?

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:27 AM

I've only searched for British orders for the invasion stripes, and the only item I've found regarding their application was that they must not obscure the national insignia.  No mention  made s to how to approach the fuselage codes.  It depends at squadron level, or even the individuals, as to how neat the execution was.

Have seen some examples that have already been posted before, where they have gone to the trouble of actually leaving a thin outline, so the code letters stand out from the white stripes -  this can look fairly pristine at a distance (such as Bonnie 'B' that Stik has posted above), as well as this one:

Examples of painted over codes:

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Jack

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:00 AM

EBergerud

During prep right before D-Day the ground crew painted around the insignia and numbers, so you'd want to put the stripes on first and then decals. Didn't think of mentioning it, but one way to show that the stripes are out of place is to weather the plane before putting them on and leave them totally clean minus panel shading. If you're going with Polyscale, I'd think "engine black" would do nicely - that paint is as black as Stalin's soul.

Eric

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, March 31, 2014 11:21 PM

During prep right before D-Day the ground crew painted around the insignia and numbers, so you'd want to put the stripes on first and then decals. Didn't think of mentioning it, but one way to show that the stripes are out of place is to weather the plane before putting them on and leave them totally clean minus panel shading. If you're going with Polyscale, I'd think "engine black" would do nicely - that paint is as black as Stalin's soul.

Eric

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, March 31, 2014 11:14 PM

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, March 31, 2014 10:40 PM

The Academy .30 cals are a huge improvement. Try dialing down the pressure a tad on your air source and see about getting a finer sprayed line.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by pyrman64 on Monday, March 31, 2014 7:57 PM

Bob: nice choice on the Academy MGs.

Greg H

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." Gen. Wm T. Sherman (11 April 1880, Columbus, Ohio)

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, March 31, 2014 7:23 PM

Seeing as I'm on spring break I thought I'd take some time and preshade my LCVP.  I saw an interesting technique here that I thought I'd try.  I'm not nearly as good at airbrushing as he is, and for some reason I can't get a very fine line with my airbrush so I'm not sure how well it turned out.  We'll have to see how it looks after I paint the grey on.  

Preshade 1

Preshade 2 (for some reason the camera didn't pick up the brown very well)

Also, my Academy machine guns came in today Big Smile.  Here they are compared to the kit guns, I'm really glad I bought them.

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Posted by 68GT on Monday, March 31, 2014 5:24 PM

So I was thinking that the stripes were painted around the insignias and possibly the code letters.  Am I over thinking this or should I just apply the decals over the hand painted stripes?  If I was spraying the stripes I wouldn't even give it a thought.

Going to put some clear on tonight and contemplate the stripes.

Was going to hand paint with Reefer White.

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Posted by schmidty on Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:30 PM

Seems like putting the stripes on top of the olive drab would be best...most like real life.  And I like the idea of brushing it on.  If you're going to airbrush on a very opaque, very even coat of paint you might as well use decals, right?

--Mike

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08 PM

It's 1/48, although I'd think a 1/72 would work about the same. I did use Golden Fluid titanium white and carbon black which are the most opaque paints on earth and a small brush. Vallejo Model Color would also work. I've never really worked much with MM. I wouldn't want to do much hand painting with Tamiya. You'd want to use masking with either technique I'd think.

You could mask it and spray it and then on the underside try a little overpainting with a brush - no need to get close to the edges: might give a little brushed-on look. If you don't like it, leave it alone or give it a couple of passes with fine sandpaper. Doubt anyone would notice. I do small medical experiments on out of the way parts of my kits all the time. Gives you a better idea of whether a wash/filter or whatever will work on the kit better than trying something on spare plastic.

Eric

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:14 PM

68GT: The P-51 is coming along great! I tend to mask and paint the invasion stripes, I used decals when I was younger but it never seemed to work very well. I've always painted the stripes, masked them and then done the rest of the plane though.

Greg: Looks great, really like the work you did to fair the pistol port in the side of the turret there.

Bish: Super work there on that crazy camo scheme. Some serious free-handing talent there!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by pyrman64 on Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:31 PM

Eric: nice prison....ermmmm..invasion stripes on that RAF Mustang!

Bish: Holy cow......that's an impressive camo scheme!  Uhmm..the aiming vane is fixible, but it was easier to just scavenge a turret for now.

Greg H

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." Gen. Wm T. Sherman (11 April 1880, Columbus, Ohio)

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Posted by pyrman64 on Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:17 PM

I decided not to go all anal on the Sherman and am just building it with a few add-ons.

This week I managed to mate the upper and lower hull together and add the bits & bobs, as they say.   

Here's a few ammo cases that'll be added to the engine deck

Tags: M4 Sherman

Greg H

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." Gen. Wm T. Sherman (11 April 1880, Columbus, Ohio)

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:09 PM

Nice work Greg, was there no way of fixing the aiming vain.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:07 PM

Got the painting done on the Panther today. I was originally going to do it al with Vallejo Model Air. I got the 4 main Panzer Colours last year but was yet to use them. The DY went on ok, a bit thinner than what I am use to. But I wasn't to keen on the green, it seemed way to thin and didn't cover the zimm on the turret very well. So after a few minutes I switched to my usual Xtracolour enamels and finished the green and then did the brown. This was all done free hand and I'm really pleased with it. I have been getting some practice at airbrush control doing mottling on German aircraft and I think its paid off.

Next up is the decals, there is only the unit and national insignia, no turret numbers. So I am going to give the wet future trick a try. After that, some oil dry brushing. That will mean lots of time leaving it to dry, so this week I will be concentrating on the base and figures. I don't want to add this to the queue of armour waiting for dio's. I haven't finished an armour dio in years so I need to brush up and I have been reading up on painting SS uniform camo, so will see how that works out.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by pyrman64 on Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:05 PM

In my previous post on the Sherman I noticed that the TC's aiming vane was broken, so I had to procure a replacement turret.  This was done last weekend.

the interior is painted in MM primer white (the first turret was in PS dirty white and looked too yellowy. (is that a word?) 

the rear part of the M3 main gun, again in primer white with the breach block painted Humbrol (Metal cote) gun metal 

the turret pistol port puttied (as previously stated, the port was cast in 

if I can find some casting numbers I might add them also, but I'm not sure I want to get all anal on this build. Confused

Tags: M4 Sherman

Greg H

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." Gen. Wm T. Sherman (11 April 1880, Columbus, Ohio)

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:42 PM

68, that's a 48th kit, its the one on the front page Eric did for the GB.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:34 PM

Eric, do you know the scale of the kit in your picture?  I'm debating weather to spray of hand paint in 1/72.

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:10 PM

From looking at a boatload of D-Day photos to does appear that everybody's stripes were a little untidy. It was all "hush hush" (like everything before D-Day) so everything was done on the fly by groundcrew. When working at model scale, doing it all freehand would be almost impossible. I did find, however, that if you masked the plane and then hand painted the masked stripes that some of the irregular quality showed through:

I don't know how long it took, but it's pretty clear that at least some planes were repainted in following weeks and appear tidier. I doubt there was any hard rule on the transition, so you're fine regardless. I too would mask it. Actually I don't like any big decals - only the very best look okay. I've never worked with either dry transfer or stencils (except those I've made myself) and it would be a good idea to try.

Eric

 

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:36 PM

Probably only really good for spacing the stripes.  It would at least give you an idea if you are way off.

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Posted by schmidty on Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:26 PM

Ed, that's a good idea.  I believe I will do that.

I was considering trying to free-hand them...to try and achieve an authentic look.  But the more I think about it, the more it sounds like a bad idea.  ha-ha

--Mike

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:37 PM

Might be a good idea to just use the decals as a masking guide since they should be designed to fit the kit.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:32 PM

White decals, especially large one can be a bit of a pain as the darker colours often show through, another good reason to paint.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by schmidty on Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:30 PM

I think I will give painting them a shot.  This build is intended to be my refresher course back into the hobby, so the more things I try the better.  And, like Bish alluded to, painting them on would look more authentic.

--Mike

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:32 PM

Mike,

I built their A-37 and A10 not too long ago and I remember not really liking the decals for some reason.  I think it was that MicroSol didn't work all that great on them and they were hard to soften.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:31 PM

I have not yet done invasion stripes. But given the discussion here a number of pages back, I think decals would be to neat and tidy. In general they seem to have been hastily applied to many aircraft.

Blacksheep, try a Dragon kit, you'll love it. Whistling

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:58 AM

Don't tempt me Bish... ROFL!!!!! Yeah I do want it.

In the past, I've done tank model kits - my first was being Monogram's Patton Tank. Yes I actually did do a diorama as shown on the box. It was a lot of fun to do. Wish I still had that diorama though...

Others I've done were the Abrahams tank by Tamiya, German Tiger and I believe a Monogram Half Track kit.

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Posted by schmidty on Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:02 AM

I'm in the same boat with my Mustang, Ed.  I've been staring at it for a couple weeks trying to decide paint or decal...

--Mike

On the Bench: 1:72 Academy P-51B

On Deck: 1:72 Hobby Craft DHC-3 (U-1A) & 1:72 Academy Ju 87G-1

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