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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, September 8, 2014 11:01 AM

Nomad I have added your Tiger to the temp roster and added the USS Missouri as well.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, September 8, 2014 8:28 AM

Doug:

I'm building the NC as a waterline model, so there isn't anything below the waterline.  The ship sits flat on a "plate."  The kit has an optional hull, but I'm not using it.  Still, I can take a hull photo and post it.

I measured NC's hull right down the centerline from bow to stern and it came out very close to the right size.  Sometimes it does take a lot of fussing around to get the diagram the right size.  

If the model is longer than the paper, once I have the right size, I copy it and paste in a second diagram, the arrange it on the paper so there's two;  one from front to back and one from back to front.

This website has some clear diagrams of certain camouflage patterns, including Missouri.  He sells masks, but not in your scale:

www.gatorsmask.com/bb.html

Have to get to work, but I'll check back in later this evening.  Hope things will start working better for you!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Nomad53 on Monday, September 8, 2014 6:40 AM

checkmateking02

I see.  That's a pretty big ship!

Would it work to enlarge the jpg, then go over the blurry lines with a pen or marker to make them clearer?

I have tried everything under the sun to get the right scale and am not having any luck. I have ran my printer out of ink. I eather get it to big or two small and when I do get the right size it does not pdrint the whole thing. This is driving me nuts.

also can you take a pic of the side of the hull (close up) and show me the water line and below?

Thanks,

Doug

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:38 PM

Not very pretty pictures, but here are a couple of photos showing masking the base of the superstructure and surrounding gun placements.

I finished this off and painted the nearby deck yesterday, but I need to leave the aft masks on while I paint the aft deck.  Don't know if I'll be able to get to it Monday; might have to wait till Tuesday.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, September 7, 2014 5:36 PM

I see.  That's a pretty big ship!

Would it work to enlarge the jpg, then go over the blurry lines with a pen or marker to make them clearer?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Nomad53 on Sunday, September 7, 2014 4:34 PM

Thanks checkmateking

Sounds good to me but when I enlarge the jpeg it throws the focus out so bad that the lines are hard to trace. The hull is 20" long.

Doug

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:43 PM

The photos of masking the deck fittings is here, on this page of the 1944 GB.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/157489.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=78

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:38 PM

Hi, Doug:

I looked up USS Missouri in Measure 32 on line, and she looks like a variation of North Carolina's Measure 32.  Even though your Mo is in a bigger scale, I think the same techniques I used for USSNC should work

I haven't got any further than the main deck, so I can't tell you from experience how I'm going to do that, but what I can describe is how I did the hull and the deck.

Since you've got drawings of the pattern, that's a good place to start.  Hopefully you have them as jpgs on your computer.  If not, you can scan them or find some on the internet.

I used the Publisher program to insert a jpg of the camouflage diagram, then resized it to the measurements of the kit.  I measured the kit hull from stem to stern, then used the rulers in the Publisher program to resize the diagram.  Print this out on paper.

Next, tear off a sheet of masking tape long enough to accommodate the whole diagram in full size.  Get some wide painters tape from the hardware store or Walmart.  I like Duck brand.  Two inches is big enough for 1/700--I don't know about 1/535.

Lay down a couple of strips of masking tape on top of the wax paper, long enough to accommodate the ship from stem to stern.

Now trim the paper diagram of the hull close to the outline and lay it out on the masking tape.  Use clear strapping/packaging tape to hold the paper diagram to the masking tape.

When you're done, you'll have layers of (from bottom to top):  wax paper/masking tape/printed diagram/clear packaging tape.

You can use a scissors or a knife to cut out the whole thing, following the outline on the diagram.  The packaging tape and diagram will fall away when you're done cutting, leaving you with the masking tape stuck to the wax paper.

Peel away the wax paper, discard it; and the masking tape will be your paint mask, cut to shape.

I also have used this method with RAF Spitfire and Hurricane camouflage patterns.

For USSNC, I painted the entire hull in the lightest color, 5-L Light Gray.  When it was dry, I started at the bow, and used the masks I made to mask off the 5-L, and I painted the next color, 5-O Ocean Gray.

Once that was dry, I applied the proper masks to the 5-O.  You'll probably also have to apply more strips of masking tape where the 5-L and 5-O masks join.  There's a seam there that you don't want any of the last color, black, to get into.

Once the 5-L and 5-O areas are masked, apply the black.

I should have mentioned earlier that I painted the black boot stripe first--or rather, I painted the whole bottom up to the boot line first.  My USSNC is a waterline version.  Then mask the boot stripe and proceed as above with the hull colors.  

Hope this isn't too long or too complicated.  It's hard to describe and I didn't take any more photos than what I posted earlier.  This method should work for you as well as it did for me.

If I can provide any further information, I'll be glad to.

As far as the deck fittings, like gun tubs, etc.  I cut small strips of the masking tape and applied them around the tubs and fittings, then stuck a little poster tack on top to block paint spray.  You can see this in some of the photos.

It's long and tedious to do it this way, but I can paint better with an airbrush than a paintbrush, so I try to do only a minimal of touch up by hand.

Good luck with the Mighty Mo!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Nomad53 on Sunday, September 7, 2014 1:55 PM

Hey all, I think I am going to build the USS Missouri. I picked up the Revell 1/535 kit and really do not know how to go about getting this thing painted. This will be the first ship I have built.

I do know that the Missouri had the measure 32/22D camo on it in 1944 and have drawings of the pattern. I just do not know on how to get going on this kit.

Any help would be appreciated.

Doug

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, September 7, 2014 1:00 PM

Thanks, Bish.  Today I plan to paint the base for the aft 16-inch gun, then trim the stern so the deck fits inside the hull (I thought it did, but--like the waterline plate--it doesn't).

So until the paint dries, I can take a holiday from masking for a day or so.  

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, September 6, 2014 4:31 PM

Nomad, no worries, I will do it shortly.

Check, I can just image the tie it takes to mask that. Looking pretty good from here.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Jsmyth on Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:29 PM

CMK:  All I have to say is WOW. Nicely done! I hope my Indy comes out half as good.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:21 PM

Thanks, Jamie.  It's not really the painting that's so hard--it's the masking; and the touch-up, cuz usually masking doesn't always tightly fit, and sometimes pulls loose.  Then ya have to get out the paint brush.

Spent all day yesterday masking, and I'm still at it.

The bow turned out OK, but plenty of places will require some touch-up attention.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Nomad53 on Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:31 AM

Bish

Nomad, do you want to wait until the dio is done before adding a pic to the front page.

No Bish. Go ahead and place a photo on the front page. It's going to be awhile on the do.

Doug

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:12 AM

Jamie, no worries. I have added your pic to the temp roster for now, sorry for the delay. Allen, I have added one of yours to that as well.

Nomad, do you want to wait until the dio is done before adding a pic to the front page.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Jsmyth on Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:53 AM

JR: Very nice job on the pannel lines. I like how clean and tight they are. Well done

CMK: That ship is coming along very nice. It must be hard to paint such a small subject.

Bish: Can you post my second photo of my B-17 on the wall of fame please.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:26 AM

Nice choice stik, looking forward to that. I have the Revell 72nd Type IX, which has the markings for 505.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, September 5, 2014 7:14 PM

Well, I have finally made my subject selection (alternate) for here. Since my projects earlier in this year have taken longer and been more involved than I intended, I have had to adjust fire. My original choice was to build a 1/350 Fletcher Class destroyer (the Trumpeter kit) in the guise of USS Heerman at Leyte Gulf as she appeared during the Battle off Samar as part of Taffy 3. But with the year rapidly draying to a close, and wanting to do this vessel proper justice I will hold off for now. I still wanted to do a war at sea subject for this GB so after going thru my stash I will build another suitable notable warship from 1944, U-505, using the Hobbyboss 1/350 Type IX U-Boat kit of this subject. I ought to be able to get it done in time... I know the build will go quick enough and if I dont get sidetracked too badly the finish should be not too difficult to get done by New Years. With all my other projects...

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:07 PM

Thanks, Bish; good to know.

Didn't accomplish anything yesterday; had to work late.  So today I started on the main deck, painted in the Navy's 20-B Deck Blue.  Thought I'd paint it in sections, rather than face the tedium of masking everything at once.  As it is, it took me three hours to get done this far.

I started at the bow and worked back toward the first gun turret.  Again used little bits of tape, then covered it over with poster tack.  

I'll let it sit to be sure it's dried then remove the mask and tomorrow carry on.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:00 PM

Thanks Everyone. Curious to see the results myself.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:45 PM

Allen, that's an awesome looking build, some great detail in there. Thanks for bringing it to the GB.

Nice work check. Certainly would not want to put the vertical stabilisers on the wrong way with this build. And don't worry, the 45 GB is in hand, we certainly aren't stopping now.

Jamie, nice, I like it. And congrats on your fist GB. I am sure there will be plenty more. I only popped in for a quick visit and 6 years later I can't get away.

Joe, looking nice there.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:46 PM

Your Hellcat looks very nice, Joe! I really like the idea of using a pencil for the panel line pre-shading!

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Posted by Rob S. on Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:20 AM

Very cool technique Joe.

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Posted by JaySantos on Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:23 AM

Those are good looking panel lines Joe! Neat trick!

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 8:09 PM

That's very subtle work, Joe.  It looks good; obvious but not overpowering.

 

 

 

 

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  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 6:37 PM

Hey There Guys, I've got a bit of progress to share with you all on the Lil' Hellcat. I've found that I need more  practice in order to airbrush nice straight lines for pre-shading. Given that I had to keep moving forward. Although in itself a bit time consuming, I highlighted all the panel lines prior to painting using a black Prisma pencil mostly and a normal mechanical pencil on the intricate lines and access hatches. This assists in accenting the panel lines after the paint is on. The effect will not though be quite apparent on the upper surfaces where the dark sea blue will be. I tried this on my FW 190 I just finished and as expected it works well under lighter colors. It also works well when you don't lay the paint on too heavy.Whistling. I wish I was making better progress but, here lately it seems that for every fire I put out, two more pop up. Oh well, it's stuff that is out of my control and I'll get on the Hellcat when time avails itself.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:03 PM

Thanks, Jamie.  I guess it's 1/700 for me because of cost and space to store the finished product.  I appreciate your comment, and "Chowhound" is really a great looking Fortress.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Jsmyth on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:31 AM

CMK:

You are doing such a great job on that ship. I don't think I could build a 1:700 ship. I had a hard time with my 1:400 Arizona build. Great work and keep posting.

Everyone:

Thank you all for the kind words and help on this build. It was much easier to do this build here with all the support that everyone has given. Once again Thank You

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:16 AM

Thanks, Joe.  So far it's been going better than I thought it might.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Jsmyth on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 8:34 AM

Jamie: "Chow Hound" looks great too! The weatheringis perfect with the faded, patchy OD and the exhaust streaks across the wings! What pic of her would you like me to add to the wall of fame?

Clemens: I like the first one but it doesn't the whole build. I think the second one would be better. I will let you choose which you think would be the better picture. I had a great time with this GB. It kept me interested and wanting to finish. I look forward to more.

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