1990-1991 Gulf War 25th Anniversary Group Build

Greg

Interesting watching the armor go together. I'm looking forward to watching some paint go on later. Concept of building so much before any painting is not familiar to me.

I feel lucky to be able to learn some stuff from you seasoned armor builders!

 

GREG you must build stuff with lots of windows. i do a lot of warwheels so there is always the issue of when to paint the cab  interior vs the outside vs when to add windows. i also do helos, same issues. how do you do it?

Greg

Interesting watching the armor go together. I'm looking forward to watching some paint go on later. Concept of building so much before any painting is not familiar to me.

I feel lucky to be able to learn some stuff from some seasoned armor builders!

 

With armor builds, as long as there is no interior to worry about, and depending upon what type of tracks it may have, it is easy to do lots of building before any painting. Although I did paint the tracks first thing here before cutting any parts off of the sprues and gluing them together....

Interesting watching the armor go together. I'm looking forward to watching some paint go on later. Concept of building so much before any painting is not familiar to me.

I feel lucky to be able to learn some stuff from you seasoned armor builders!

GM, we could certainly use some representation of the naval forces, so that kit will be most welcome...

Well, I did not get as much done on this today as intended... my other project, the Klingon Cruiser took a lot more attention with its' decals and their lack of co operation... and then there was some family business to attend to... but I did get some more sub assembly work done... although most of the photos turned out terribly, so this is the presentable one...

and I remembered this resin figure in my stash that may work for a vignette scene...

I have some other Iraqi figures as well, so no decision here yet... 

Second model: LHA-1 Tarawa 1/700 Dragon kit. She'll be either -1 or -4 Nassau.

Harrier Carrier!

Got ya. The places on my work that have a 12 hour schedule do a 3/12 workweek, with an 8 hour "payback" shift every other week. An Army buddy of mine used to work for Frito Lay out here as a delivery driver..

Nice job on the BMP. I built the same kit also about 25 years ago or so... possibly a bit more. I made it up in Soviet Guards markings. It too has survived numerous moves. not too bad for wear...

stikpusher

Thanks Bish. It's starting to get there.

11B, 12 hour shift and then only two days off?! The math does not sound good on that...

 

Such is life at the Frito plant. This is my long week to work (5 12's/2 days off) then next week its my short week (3 12's/4days off)...8 more years and I will retire. By the way here's my ESCI BMP I built 25 years ago. Its straight oob, and has a few parts lost in the last 25 years, but it has survived. 

Stik, i take it the fins to the Sagger are additional parts, i am surprised to see its not molded in one piece.

Thanks Bish. It's starting to get there.

11B, 12 hour shift and then only two days off?! The math does not sound good on that...

One more 12hr shift and its 2 days off to start my M2 build...

Looks nice Stik.

Yes, these kits got cheap real quick... the T-72 needs a LOT of work to make truly presentable... the others less... 

More progress today, but I am not quite following the instruction sheet order... nor showing these in the order that I did the work earlier today...

 I did about 2/3 of the work on the turret...

some work on the upper hull, but I left off the small breakables until after I get it glued to the lower hull

small bits added to the front and rear of the lower hull

and the running gear added... I left the sprocket wheels loose until the tracks are added for fine tuning the position of those with the link & length tracks

some test fitting of all the major components

and a better look at the jerry can racks that I made up... I need to go back and modify them a bit as well as the cans...

More to see in the next day or so...

stikpusher

Thanks Greg. Fearless? hah!

Bish, ESCI, did not do much in the way of 1/35 Armor kits. But in the late 80s, at the same time that Dragon was starting out, they hit the market with a series of modern AFVs that were all over the board. T-55s, T-72s, BMP1 & 2, LAVs, Leopard 2s, M-60A1 & A3, M1 and M1A1 (actually an M1E1 as it lacked many of the production changes) and some HMMWVs. Some of the kits were pretty weak, some were good, the rest were somewhere in between. But they all filled a then existing hole in 1/35 modern vehicles. AMT had a long association with ESCI here in the US, and they reboxed some of the kits for a lower price here. Italeri has since then obtained some of the molds and released the kits such as the M60s and T-55s, which were probably the best of the lot. They already had their own Leo 2, HMMWVs, and LAVs. The basic M1 was pretty good, but the T-72... well it was a victim of the late Cold War with size and detail issues due to information availability.

 

And I built both the BMP and T-72 in '91 after I got home from the desert. If I remember correctly I paid like $10 for both kits. I still have them only 4 of the models I built back then manage to survive the past 25 years. I recently rehabbed the Tamiya M2 and M1.

Cheers for the info Stik. I do recall seeing some 35th Esci armour, not sure if i might have had one myself, but i was more familiar with there 72nd kits.

i just looked and have a pair of ESCI AVENGERs, HUMVEE w/ Stinger launcher in the back.

Thanks Greg. Fearless? hah!

Bish, ESCI, did not do much in the way of 1/35 Armor kits. But in the late 80s, at the same time that Dragon was starting out, they hit the market with a series of modern AFVs that were all over the board. T-55s, T-72s, BMP1 & 2, LAVs, Leopard 2s, M-60A1 & A3, M1 and M1A1 (actually an M1E1 as it lacked many of the production changes) and some HMMWVs. Some of the kits were pretty weak, some were good, the rest were somewhere in between. But they all filled a then existing hole in 1/35 modern vehicles. AMT had a long association with ESCI here in the US, and they reboxed some of the kits for a lower price here. Italeri has since then obtained some of the molds and released the kits such as the M60s and T-55s, which were probably the best of the lot. They already had their own Leo 2, HMMWVs, and LAVs. The basic M1 was pretty good, but the T-72... well it was a victim of the late Cold War with size and detail issues due to information availability.

Looking good, Wayne.

And fearless leader got started. Yippie!

Right, now that does look more familiar. I know Itaelri have reboxed a lot of Esci kits, but didn't know AMT had. I associate AMT more with Sci Fi kits and i know they do some Auto's. Those BMP's are really small, would hate to have been cramed up in one for long, will be looking forward to seeing yours.

Thanks Bish. This kit is actually a rebox of this ESCI kit that came out many years back.

That looks to be going well wayne.

An AMT armour kit, not seen one of those before. Nice work on those jerry can racks Stik.

Your Scud is looking good Wayne. Very nice progress there 

Bish, yes it has been pretty bad here. Everal years of below average rainfall, and another high pressure/hot weather system parked over the reagion again. It cooled off a bit here today and is supposed to cool off more for the rest of the week. I actually was able to gt some banch time in here today as a result... and I started work on my BMP finally...

so here is my kit

I mixed up a custom steel shade for the link and length tracks and airbrushed that on

and I started with building the lower hull... it was a bottom plate with teh sides and rear plates added. I am going a bit out of sequence, but oh well...

and then I scratch built up the jerry can racks with "L" ange strip styrene for the upper rear hull and test fitted some jerry cans in there. I still need to improve the cans a bit, but they are only placed for now, not glued, until I improve them...

more to come tomorrow...

And you just noticed this?

got some more work done. primer is same color as my interior paint which is annoying. painted whole frame sand but am going to go back and brush paint the entire underside black which won't be seen anyway.

filled in some stuff that probably wouldn't be seen but why take the chance.

almost everything is basecoated so can start building sections and elevation mechanism. all the interioers are detail painted not that any of it will be seen.

looking at my bunker stash. i have a missile fetish: 1/35 SA-2, SA-2 on trailer, 2 SCUDs, SS-23, SA-6, LAV ADA, 2 PLA DF-21s, SA-9, OTS SS-25, JGSDF PATRIOT. almost as bad as the RR section.

and 1/35 PATRIOT and SA-8 due out this year.

Satans Tin Can? Do tell...

I was pre Division 86.

we don't have armored inf bns. the mech bns are armored mechanized inf, i suspect be it Bradleys or Strykers. IIRC the IDF has Mech Inf  for infantry fighting and arm Inf whose main role is protecting the tanks.

nice builds going on here. i will be finished with DDFH (Destroyer from hell) this week and then sell all my 1/350 ship models. painted part of SCUD chassis black, then decided on sand but i think i am going back to black. hopefully 3rd go round with missile seams will be it.

BYW picked up the new Takom BdW fork lift. something different. may paint it yellow as a civilian vehicle.

GMorrison

Ridiculous hot here. Working from home, get bench time. Going to fit the bottom of the wing on....

Just read an article about Genghis Kahn. Military organized as ten horse to a unit, ten 10 horse to a 100 horse unit, ten 100 horse to a 1000 horse unit, ten 1000 to a 10,000.

Trick was, if someone screwed up, all ten were executed. If ten screwed up, all 100 were executed etc. Probably made for a tense locker room.

 

That sounds like a good way to get through man power quickly. Its like an extreme version of the Roman decimation.

I hear you guys in California have had it bad latley, little rain for a few yeras and lots of fires. Stay safe you guys.

 No such fear of that over here fortunatly.

Ridiculous hot here. Working from home, get bench time. Going to fit the bottom of the wing on....

Just read an article about Genghis Kahn. Military organized as ten horse to a unit, ten 10 horse to a 100 horse unit, ten 100 horse to a 1000 horse unit, ten 1000 to a 10,000.

Trick was, if someone screwed up, all ten were executed. If ten screwed up, all 100 were executed etc. Probably made for a tense locker room.

Thnaks for the info Carlos, its interesting to see how other nations do things.

Bish

 

Tal Afar Dave

 

Bish

 

 

waynec

 

stikpusher

Careful now Wayne, with 11B & me here, now there's more Grunts than DATs now in this place...  Especially since Rob decided to pop smoke a few months back...

 

 

 

 

don't forget Bish he drove FV-432s  IIRC.

 

 

 

Warriors mainly, but i was trained to drive the 432, though i first trained as a gunner.

So i can see 11B was a GRUNT, but what does 11B refer to.

 

 

 

 

 

Bish,

In the American Army, an

11B is an infantryman, mostly light infantry, airborne infantry, air assault infantry, and Rangers in 'light infantry" units.

11C indirect fires infantryman.  These are the mortar men at the company and battalion level that run organic indirect fire systems, such as the 4.2 inch mortar and 81mm mortar.

11H Anti-armor infantryman.  Back in the days of the M113-based TOW CAPS and ITVs (M901) These guys made up the organic TOW missile anti-tank company in a mechanized infantry unit, Echo Co.  11Hs were also found in the light infantry battalion's AT company, Delta Co.

11Ms are Bradley infantry combat vehicle crewmen.  In a heavy infantry battalion, Bradley Combat Team (BCT), and mechanized infantry division, these are the guys that specialize in Bradley crews: driver, commander, and gunner.  The dismount infantry squads are also 11Ms, but perform 11B functions.

11As are infantry officers assigned to any and all infantry units: light, airborne, air assault, mechanized, and Bradley.

Clear as mud, right???

TAD

 

 

 

 

WOW, glad we don't have that, i would have never kept up. You mention the 11H in Mech and ligt Inf battalion,s but what about the Armoured Inf battalions, do they not have an AT unit. And you have a whole company dedicated to AT.

I was 3 of those during my time, a 11B, 11H and 11M. Plus a few other jobs as well.

 

When I started, the 11H's (TOWs or 106mm Recoilless in a few select units) were assigned to the Combat Support Company (or CSC) in most types of Infantry battalions. CSC had a Scout Platoon, AT Platoon, Mortar Platoon, Air Defense Section (Redeye/Stinger MANPADS), and Ground Search Radar section. In non Bradley Mech units, when the Division 86 TO&E was established, more TOWs were added to become a full company for each Battalion with ITVs, E Co, Scout and Mortar Platoons went to Battalion Headquartrs & Headquarters Co (HHC), and the Air Defense and GSR sections went back to their higher organic parent units of the ADA Bn and MI Bn. Bradley units had no need for the E Co as each Bradley has TOW laucher, and Light and Airborne/Air Assault units kept the CSC with a TOW Platoon. First in M151 Jeeps and later in HMMWVs.

Nice work on the builds so far guys! If today is not such a scorcher out, I may be able to get to my bench and get some work done.

Good to see two more builds get under way.