75th Anniversary of 1942 (World at War)

Thanks Checkmateking.

Thanks Bish: Great start to your Panzer II.

Thanks Jgeratic.

Modelcrazy: Nice work on the cockpit and interior. Sorry to hear about that bad fitting wing section.

The other day airbrushed on X20 Clear, then let that set over night and applied the six decals. They went on nice and easy. After I seal them in I plan to give the tank a good dusting of XF57 Buff.

37 by Daniel Smith, on Flickr

ManCityFan

 

 

stikpusher

I'd go with an olive green rather than an OD green on a T-34. Not too dark like XF-61.

 

 

 

 

In keeping with murphy's laws of model building...I have OD Green, NATO Green, JN Cockpit Green, JA Green, but no Dark Green or Olive Green.

Time to make a new list for a scalehobbyist.  If I have to pay shipping.....what else do I need (want)?  

stikpusher

I'd go with an olive green rather than an OD green on a T-34. Not too dark like XF-61.

 

In keeping with murphy's laws of model building...I have OD Green, NATO Green, JN Cockpit Green, JA Green, but no Dark Green or Olive Green.

Time to make a new list for a scalehobbyist.  If I have to pay shipping.....what else do I need (want)?  

I'd go with an olive green rather than an OD green on a T-34. Not too dark like XF-61.

D, the Tamiya kits of Russian tanks i have seen usually call out XF-61 for the Russian green and i think they would be a better option than OD, assuming you have it on hand.

jgeratic

Bish, looking good and that PE really is nice.

Dwayne, great choice with the T-34, and maybe  you can still do a dual build depending on what you have planned for the rest of the year.  A late response over at the other forum gives good possibility that 6th Pz Div. had some IIIM's on hand as part of the relief effort during late Novemeber.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1499264227/last-1499614326/View+Thread

 

regards,

Jack

 

Hey Jack.  I am getting excited about the T-34.  Spent some time on missing-lynx, and got some great information.  Thanks again for introducing me to that site.  All of my "do I include this" questions were answered.  Really enjoyed doing the research.  The overall feeling at the site is that the 1942 kit is way more accurate than the 1943 kit, which I also own.

Now I have to do justice to the kit.  The kit calls for Tamiya OD green.  Not sure if that will work or if I should get the Vallejo Russian Green.  After washes and other weathering, it may not matter that much.

Working on a Zero right now, but will want a break soon, and will start the T-34.

Thanks again,

D

Thanks check. Now that you mention it, i can se what you mean about those road wheels.

It was the only thing i could think of to adjust them. It was either that or sand away the pile of rubble.

I remember those "In Action" series from Squadron, D.  Might have some still kicking around, too--but I don't know where they are.

Nice start, Bish.  Until I looked closer, I thought all those road wheels on sticks was a field of mushrooms.  

Clever technique to adjust the suspension!

Cheers Jack.

Bish, looking good and that PE really is nice.

Dwayne, great choice with the T-34, and maybe  you can still do a dual build depending on what you have planned for the rest of the year.  A late response over at the other forum gives good possibility that 6th Pz Div. had some IIIM's on hand as part of the relief effort during late Novemeber.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1499264227/last-1499614326/View+Thread

regards,

Jack

Ye, it is rather nice. And to be honest, its doesn't need the PE set. It comes with a small PE fret which includes tool clamps and that pretty much enough.

Looks like a nice kit Bish. I wouldn't mind getting one for myself. 

Nice find Dwayne. Amazing what turns up in the deep dark corners.

Was going to do an update a couple of days ago but got delayed a bit. But have been able to get a lot done on this little kit in a week.

The kit does come with a rather nice fighting compartment, but i won't be fitting that. I have read one build which claims it not accurate as it has a marder interiour rather than the Pz II. But mainly, as it can't be seen and is not relevant to the dio, i won't waste the time and effort. If i was doing a turret lift scene, then with a little effort in correcting and adding extra detail, it would look really nice. I will be adding the turet interiour though.

Started off by preppping the wheels. The road wheels and top rolers all has a seam running around them that needed sanding off, and while i was at it, i roughed up the wheels a bit with the file, taking a few small chunks out of the rubber.

The i got to work on the suspension. For those who may not be familiar with Dragon kits but may have heard about the high level of egineering and high parts count, here is an example of what to expect.

Each suspension unit is made of of 3 parts. The spring on top, axel arm on the bottom and a small squre piece on the end where the 2 join.

If that was a Tamiya kit, it would be a single piece.

Also, along the bottom of the lower hull, you have the bump stops, the object next to the holes. Each of these is a seperate piece.

But unlike the Tiger and Panther kits, at least on this you get to see it.

Unfortunatly, this kit does not have a working suspension. So, because the area in the ruin the tank is going to sit has a small pile of rubble, i had to raise 3 of the stations slightly. So i took 3 of the leaf springs and warmed them up over a candle just enough to soften them to bend into the required shape.

Then i was able to get the suspension finished. There no PE down here, so was a pretty quick job once i had made the adjustments.

And then to the upper hull. I started off with the plastic parts that were not replaced by PE, mainly hatchs and vision port covers.

And then to the PE.

And thats it for now. Just got a few bits on the upper hull to add, plus the rear of the lower hull. Then i can start on the turret.

Thanks for looking, more soon.

Lookee at what I found when I was going through my literature stash:

D

ManCityFan

Sorry...this is the 1/35 Tamiya kit. 

This is frustrating.  I do the exact same process posting pics from my PC, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.  I can see the pics, but others cannot.  I can see the pic in your reply...

I will try the annoying "mail myself the link" method, which seems to never fail.

Thanks,

D

 

 

Thanks, D.  Build roster is updated with all the info.

And now, strangely, the photo you posted is visible!

Anyway, looking forward to watching your build.

Sorry...this is the 1/35 Tamiya kit. 

This is frustrating.  I do the exact same process posting pics from my PC, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.  I can see the pics, but others cannot.  I can see the pic in your reply...

I will try the annoying "mail myself the link" method, which seems to never fail.

Thanks,

D

ManCityFan

So, I checked the missing-lynx forums for any answers to the Panzer III M question Jack posted, and the responses placed them in battle in 1943.  I think it is a stretch for this to have been at Stalingrad.

Checked my stash and found this:

After a brief check on Russian tank markings, they appear to have been generic except in some rare cases.  The kit comes with generic markings.  This would definitely fit the time period, and would definitely have been involved in the battle of Stalingrad.  Looked the kit over, and it looks pretty straightforward.  I like how the box says "modelling skills helpful if under age 10".  Hope my skills measure up. 

Check, if you would be so kind as to change my build to a T34/76 1942 production, I would appreciate it.  The kit has options for a winter version, but I don't think I am quite up to that level yet. 

I am looking forward to building this.  It will be my first Russian build.  Not my last though, as I have Tamiya kits for the KV I, KV II, and SU 85 in the stash.  I don't know as much about Russian armor as I do about German, so the research should be interesting.

Thanks,

D

 

I'll update the build roster, D.  

What is the scale and manufacturer?  Your photo didn't come through; just this symbol you can see in the quote.

Don't know what's going on with these photo hosting sites lately.

So, I checked the missing-lynx forums for any answers to the Panzer III M question Jack posted, and the responses placed them in battle in 1943.  I think it is a stretch for this to have been at Stalingrad.

Checked my stash and found this:

After a brief check on Russian tank markings, they appear to have been generic except in some rare cases.  The kit comes with generic markings.  This would definitely fit the time period, and would definitely have been involved in the battle of Stalingrad.  Looked the kit over, and it looks pretty straightforward.  I like how the box says "modelling skills helpful if under age 10".  Hope my skills measure up. 

Check, if you would be so kind as to change my build to a T34/76 1942 production, I would appreciate it.  The kit has options for a winter version, but I don't think I am quite up to that level yet. 

I am looking forward to building this.  It will be my first Russian build.  Not my last though, as I have Tamiya kits for the KV I, KV II, and SU 85 in the stash.  I don't know as much about Russian armor as I do about German, so the research should be interesting.

Thanks,

D

I'm interested in what Italeri has to say about this.  Not going to be a happy review if they can't address it.  That is way more than disappointing.

They made a big mistake there, Steve.  Saw this too over at RAF GB.  Hope it all comes together soon.

Well now this is a problem. I glued the fuse half’s together and assembled the wing. As everything was drying I dry fit the wing to take a look at what I was facing for a gap.

Now to my recollection, isn't the leading edge of the wing supposed to fit behind the engine cowl? I thought there must be a piece that fits under the cowl. No. Do I have the wing on backwards? No. Looking through the instructions there isn't a hint of why this is happening.

I will be contacting Italeri and inquiring the possible reason. Is this wing going to be used on a Mk.2 etc.?

Stop the assembly line until a resolution is found. Back to the stash to look for something else while my AB and current build are down.

Still looks great, Steve!

Check has been kind enough to allow me to enter the 1/48 Italeri Hurricane Mk.1 Trop even though it was started yesterday and I got fairly far into it.

Here is what I have so far.

The newly released kit from Italeri seems to be very nice. Good detail and excellent fit. It comes with a nicely detailed Merlin engine and some PE for the cockpit and. I will be displaying it in the desert with the cowling off to display the beautiful Merlin.

Steve

Hi Dan, yes no problem about my posting on the other forum, as it has got me curious as well.

regards,

Jack

jgeratic

Dwayne, glad to have introduced  you to missing-lynx, it's the first place I head to when searching for specifics concerning WW2 land warfare.  I did spend a few minutes using their search engine, but could not find anything pertaining  to the panzer IIIM at  Stalingrad.

Just my opinion, I think you could still do a Russsian front panzer grey vehicle, maybe as a replacement on its way there?  Just difficult to pinpoint an exact unit, maybe work it from a different angle and research which panzer units were currently  on rest and refit at that point in time.  Fully understand why you want to depict something at Stalingrad, as it was a huge turning point in 1942.

regards,

Jack

 

 

Hey Jack,

I have applied to be on the forum at M-L, and am awaiting approval to post.  I see that you have posted regarding the Panzer III ausf M, and I do appreciate that.

I get where you are coming from.  The III ausf M version must have gone to some units in 1942, the quesion is where?  The reply you received stated that the version was not normally listed, but rather as Pzkw III Lang, which could be an M, but could also be an L.  I am anxious to see if you get a response to your follow-up.  If that forum can't answer the question, I don't know who can.  They really are incredibly well informed.

Thanks again for taking the time to inquire on my behalf,

D

Dwayne, glad to have introduced  you to missing-lynx, it's the first place I head to when searching for specifics concerning WW2 land warfare.  I did spend a few minutes using their search engine, but could not find anything pertaining  to the panzer IIIM at  Stalingrad.

Just my opinion, I think you could still do a Russsian front panzer grey vehicle, maybe as a replacement on its way there?  Just difficult to pinpoint an exact unit, maybe work it from a different angle and research which panzer units were currently  on rest and refit at that point in time.  Fully understand why you want to depict something at Stalingrad, as it was a huge turning point in 1942.

regards,

Jack

jgeratic

Dan - really liking how it's shaping up.

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Bish - look forward to your Pz II build.

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ManCityFan and the Pz IIIM - I think Dwayne meant the colour callout on the instructions did not fit the intented setting for this GB?  The M variant ended production just as Dark yellow was being introduced, but the intial Dunkelgelb paint had been around for a while in civilian use for farm machinary - so who knows.

There is some opinion that the IIIM never made it to Stalingrad, the battle being too deep in enemy territory to make it there in time.  When you think about it, there really is a small window of a chance that it would be available as a reinforcement.  Around the third week of November Stalingrad was completely surrounded.  Might be an idea to ask the folks over at missing-lynx as many are up to speed on the latest literature/research.

regards,

Jack

 

 

Jack, you are correct.  The color callout on the instructions would not fit the time period.

Looks like I will be joining the missing-lynx forum.  Wow, those guys know their stuff.  I could read their posts all day.

Bish, I am looking forward to seeing your Panzer II, and your thoughts on the kit.  Just got a couple of dragon kits, and quite frankly, am a little intimidated.  I have read that their instructions tend to be "vague". 

Thanks for the information,

D

Good to see you have your pics sorted, nice to see it started. Its a good idea removing those cables.

Lost this thread for a bit.  Thanks for the discussion regarding the panzer III M.  The main difference between the L and M was the ability for deep wading.   While this version came out in 1942, it was late in the year.  The color callout in the instructions would have been for tanks produced in 1943.  Painting in grey would place this build as one of the first few built.  I can certainly do this as a DAK tank with the 21st Panzer Division if the 14th is not historically accurate. 

There are definitely some nice builds going on for this group build, and will be following every one.  Dantheman has already set the bar pretty high for a Panzer III build.  Tempestjohnny knocked it out of the park with his IL-2.  Check's Hawk is awesome, and Tonka's figure is awesome as well.

Got a start on my Panzer III.  Running wheels are done.  Working at the moment on shaving off the molded on two cable.  Did not look good.  Got an AM set of tow cables from ebay.  Was going to make my own, but wasn't sure how to scratcth the loops.

Recently purchased a flex shaft grinder, so this will give me a chance to try it out.

Once this is done, it should move along fairly quickly. 

Please let me know if the pics don't show up.  Trying a new, less annoying way of posting pics.  I am seeing them, but apparently that doesn't mean other can.

Thanks,

D

Thanks check. Its about time i did a bit more early war stuff.